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 Victims of KUCHAI LAMA freehold proj, Finding for all victims out there

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Cavatzu
post Oct 11 2022, 03:34 PM

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QUOTE(jehhlim @ Oct 11 2022, 03:18 PM)
This is how victims are treated for the past five years. Questions on the development deflect between parties…then being left into a corner to silently pay for interest for nothing..this serves as a cautionary tale on buying undercon property…if u have family members that bought abandoned proj then u will understand
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Poor thing la you guys. Go meet up in the pub and bitch about this developer and all the suffering they’ve caused.
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post Oct 11 2022, 04:06 PM

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QUOTE(jehhlim @ Oct 11 2022, 03:44 PM)
Wait till so someone close to u bought abandoned proj..try to fill in their shoes n think…the suffering and hardship…
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Dude I’m on your side. I have tremendous empathy for those who have been screwed by unethical or incompetent developers. I make this a point every now and then when people get so gung ho about BBB.

I was just trying to lighten the mood. And I understand the long lasting financial ramifications on people and I’m sorry your story is serving as a cautionary tale.
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post Oct 12 2022, 05:42 AM

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QUOTE(jehhlim @ Oct 11 2022, 09:56 PM)
Victims cried until no tears ady..
there is no use for name calling ady

Abandoned projs is not a new issue in MY
What this thread is to document our journey as the victims of abandoned proj, hopefully we can document until we have our keys also

Hopefully this thread can pass to the next few generation of homebuyers…there’s a wealth of lesson in this

Those who didnt study history are bound to repeat it
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It’s great that you’re describing the mental anguish buyers are going through.

Perhaps also describe the direct financial ramifications of having to continue to serve the mortgage and tying up the DSR whilst not owning any functional asset.

The developer profile is essential in these very volatile times.
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post Oct 12 2022, 07:14 AM

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QUOTE(mini orchard @ Oct 12 2022, 06:28 AM)
Abandoned projects didnt started recently or 5 or 10 years ago. Many reports made and published in the press by MPs, aduns and victims.

Victims of scammers are often reported and published and yet new victims continue to appear.

History will repeat if people are not careful.

Sometime, is better to lose a 'good deal' than money.
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My take is that it’s reported too factually with no emotion. You need to see tears streaming down the cheeks of an elderly woman on prime time news before anyone feels anything. That’s how jaded society is.

One would think that there’s enough rules and governance for developers. Perhaps since we have an oversupply situation it’s been too lax. I really think sell to build should be abolished.
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post Oct 12 2022, 09:27 AM

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QUOTE(mini orchard @ Oct 12 2022, 07:33 AM)
Generally, new victims have short memory. They have read or seen the news but never thought it would happen to them.

For property, if a subsale or auction is 50% below market, is oredi an alert.

For new projects, build then sell is not feasible as no one bank would want to finance just one project. Risk spreading is important.

Govt can order build then sell but they cannot force any banks to finance it as it is a business decision.

Govt can only sometimes provide some form of 'guarantee' to buyers like rumahwip and rsku and also the HDA Act to protect buyers. The balance are left to the seller buyer to take risk.
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In Australia, it’s build then sell. A 10% deposit is taken up front and held in trust. You only apply for loan when you VP. There’s merits for and against either scenario.

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post Oct 12 2022, 11:11 AM

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QUOTE(mini orchard @ Oct 12 2022, 09:36 AM)
If a developer can do it on its own, I dont think the govt would want to intervene.

If my memory is correct, I think SHC group did for one of its project.
https://www.hba.org.my/news/2007/607/shl.htm

Govt cannot intervene too much in any economy but can have laws to protect buyers to certain degree.
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Singapore does and look at what a buoyant market they have with over 90% home ownership. We don’t have to look very far for best practice examples.
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post Oct 12 2022, 01:45 PM

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QUOTE(mini orchard @ Oct 12 2022, 11:15 AM)
Not every policy or an Act suits a country, albeit it works fine for others.

Similarly death penalty is good for Spore but not for the western.

I think Spore developers can count by the fingers but in msia there are big and small timers handling different development size.

Maybe smaller developers can have 100% financing from banks but not those mega developments.
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That’s the problem isn’t it. You got all these Kuchirat developers with poor standards and poor balance sheets building your home. They need to introduce pre-vetting and accountability of these “developers”.
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post Oct 12 2022, 02:04 PM

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QUOTE(jehhlim @ Oct 12 2022, 01:55 PM)
Most victims have started paying full instalment beginning this year (due to loan clause) of about rm2.5k each everymonth…

If rm2.5k for each unit monthly, that sums up around rm20k for 8 units every month, even in optimistic case is victims got 4 units that sums up to rm10k every month…when OPR increase then what do u think will happen? The loan amount goes up again

when call bank, bank just said its stated in the loan agreement…

You drive to the site and see no activities also…and start to overgrown with grasses

What are you going to do next?
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The ones that have 8 units via compressed loans or whatever greed factor I may not have much sympathy for and they should just declare bankrupt at this stage.

The regular aunties and uncles do deserve sympathy.

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post Oct 12 2022, 03:33 PM

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QUOTE(il0ve51 @ Oct 12 2022, 03:03 PM)
compressed loans deserve the take. is like gambling big and hoping to win big. if lose is deserve as is win. so yeah, big bet in life require more due diligence. not buy few ringgit stuff eh,
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Live by the sword die by the sword. What they were doing with loan compression is illegal anyway. Those who have survived thus far will be in for a rude shock when credit and banking information is shared.

QUOTE(patpatpatpat @ Oct 12 2022, 03:23 PM)
Not abandon, but if DBKL not allow them to resume the project then they will abandon it? or they will make it back as a road?
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Mira can’t be built. That is all. The courts are pretty much invalidating the sale of the land. It should not have been sold for this development in the first place. The fact that lawyers like Latheefa, Ambiga etc came on board means that there were suspicious activities with the land sale transaction. Read it as you will, this project was not meant to happen and it’s being enforced now.

Seriously we’re in the 21st century now, the government agencies can’t act like in the 80s/90s and do whatever the heck they want.

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post Oct 19 2022, 11:43 AM

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QUOTE(mini orchard @ Oct 14 2022, 08:20 PM)
Many developers are rushing against time to complete the project and coupled with limited supply of experienced workers, quality bound to take a back seat.

Sometimes, a defect may not be sloppy work but a design fault or faulty materials from suppliers.

In the end, being the developers they are bound to rectify all defects during the dlp.
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That’s best case scenario. Sometimes the build quality can hold up till past year 3 then it all goes to hell when fully occupied. So how? At this point, owners who want to cash out won’t say anything. Steer clear of those who don’t adhere to good building standards.

May I remind everyone that no one has seen the impact of an ultra high dense development with thousands of units on plumbing etc. after a decent amount of time whilst being fully occupied.

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post Nov 1 2022, 05:55 PM

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QUOTE(tgeoklin @ Nov 1 2022, 05:21 PM)
Our experience tells us that most investors had encountered such a scenario before. In the end, they just moved on as company closed akin to debtors died, pointless to waste time further.

Most of the time $$$ will solved all the issues but then most will expect others to pay OR unable OR unwilling to pay, so end of the day, nothing gets resolved. If you chk on those projects that get resuscitated, the common denominator is, everyone paid ☺️

Unless it's PPR, no bailout by tax payers can be expected 🤞
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3 words - stop buying crap. Affordable housing relies on it being subsidised by full priced buyers so if one fails it all does.
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post Nov 1 2022, 07:42 PM

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QUOTE(tgeoklin @ Nov 1 2022, 07:27 PM)
Even if all those who got suckered stop buying, aren't going to change anything ....... remember, another sucker is born every minute 🤷

And worst and more sorry situations has existed in society than abandoned project that failed to create sympathies 😓

So the faster you understand the reality of the situation, the faster you get things resolved. And whining here just keeps a few drama queens entertained 😑

Look at Skywheel 101, those that bought in losing way way more but don't see them bitching here, so take a hint 😉
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Drama queen checking in. So people can complain about some over priced fish curry in Langkawi and all the authorities come down on these small business owners but when it comes to a purchase more than a few thousand times the quantum then it’s all silent? Where is the protection for the most essential of goods - a home.

There’s many who are not aware of this forums or are of the generation to even use it. Doesn’t mean there’s no victims out there. It could be an elderly relative who doesn’t communicate much in English.

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post Nov 1 2022, 08:02 PM

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QUOTE(tgeoklin @ Nov 1 2022, 07:52 PM)
Just go post FB if you want audience .......... here Ks are all high earner, I believe min RM20k per mth, so minor issues not gonna get them interested 😅
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Nonsense the top 1% of earners in Malaysia congregating in this forum for which rumahwips to buy?

Then I’d also say these successful people have no empathy for the unfortunate and that’s not good. Speak up for good causes. I’m sure 8 Conlay buyers will be whinging to their groups.
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post Nov 9 2022, 03:44 PM

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QUOTE(happysalad @ Nov 9 2022, 02:41 PM)
no white knight coming in yet?
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A white knight might have been possible when we had record low OPR. I don’t think it is feasible at all to rescue this one now unless there’s a bail out or compulsion from govt.

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