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 Honda big bikes ... stock starvation, why ah?

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selenium
post Oct 21 2023, 02:03 PM

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QUOTE(basilisk @ Aug 30 2023, 01:31 PM)
oh blom siap reno lagi...

wouldnt be better if sell modesaki instead?m

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Previous shortage due to AP issue... This is the new AP holder.. but seems like issue is persisting.. not sure why
selenium
post Jan 27 2024, 09:34 AM

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QUOTE(yhsiau @ Jan 16 2024, 01:32 PM)
Hypetrain inkambing!!! laugh.gif

It's about the ADV350 coming to the bolehland this year.
Sos:
<a href='https://<link removed>/2024/01/15/honda-adv-350-making-malaysian-debut-in-2024/' target='_blank'>https://<link removed>/2024/01/15/honda-adv-35...-debut-in-2024/</a>

Dunno true or not.
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It's in the pipeline... but since it's a CBU model, arrival will be affected do to unresolved beurocracy in BSH...
selenium
post Jan 30 2024, 09:48 AM

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QUOTE(yhsiau @ Jan 27 2024, 11:15 AM)
How many units will the BSH bring in? 500 units just like Taiwan honda did in 2022? laugh.gif
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When I was working there, public will get the news earlier than the staff...
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post May 22 2024, 05:53 PM

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QUOTE(Patent @ May 21 2024, 07:23 PM)
so many questions about their pricing decision..

adv 350 - way too overpriced, might as well get zontes 350
nx500 - also overpriced, versys 650 is the better choice at this price
cb750 hornet - similar retail price with gsx 8s but suzuki have been giving 10k rebate for the past 6 months, making their bike price 40k.. also cb750 need add on quickshifter (no idea if it come default in our country)

arguably the hornet has more power compared to the suzuki, still the pricing is still not that good IMO

but maybe because 'H' tag they can do this? hmm.gif
im a believer that market disruption has happened with cheaper bikes (china) having the same if not better build quality.. with ready stocks
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i think first things first - got to catch up with some old friends in the Wing and expect good news on this topic

for the pricing, given the legacy and reliability of Honda, the bikes will still sell like hot cakes (from what i can see today, Honda booth is the one that attracted the most attention)

my feedback is only on the ADV350 which i was eyeing on. the price point is ok for me as it is not too far off an upgrade from what i am using now (XMAX250) but i am surprised to see that it is so small and compact (which is not suitable for a 6 footer like me)

QUOTE(yhsiau @ May 21 2024, 07:37 PM)
The Wing brand bike sure have abundant confidents on its products pricing. True fans will get watever they want just like the apple "i" products. laugh.gif
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As a Honda fan - kinda insulted u compared us to "Cap epal" hahahha. (sorry Cap Epal fans)

for the price - Xadv is as above ..
for the NX500 - not too far off the CB500 it is replacing
for the transalps.... i think that pricing is kinda sweet spot for those wanting an alternative to the Africa twin (which is almost double the price)
kinda agree on the Hornet thou - with that price, have many more option

This post has been edited by selenium: May 22 2024, 06:00 PM
selenium
post May 22 2024, 07:06 PM

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QUOTE(yhsiau @ May 22 2024, 06:20 PM)
34krm body price way too much for me.. was expecting 30krm or below. Some more, those scalper might hit 40krm otr price Which is likely to be happened.
Basically, I think BSH apply this 1 big item price = 2 small item price on its products. Therefore, Price of the Xadv = 2 X adv350 price. But can't brain that price of ADV 350 = 2.5 X adv160 price.
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This will be sold only in bigwing thus I kinda confident the price won't run far from the RSP

But no guarantee if someone buys from them and resale it at higher price

To your point of 30k below... then everyone will flock to this bike instead of Xmax or forza...
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post May 22 2024, 08:36 PM

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QUOTE(Patent @ May 22 2024, 07:38 PM)
its just my observation of the market

do the adv tag really matter for a scooter or is it just a gimmick? I still think 34k for a 350 maxi scooter is overpriced
qjmotor fort 350 is 23k (although we dont know how reliable it is)

getting adv160 then change engine to 350 at thailand will cost less from what i heard  whistling.gif

nx500 price is too close to versys 650, why would they do that? in UK its retail price is 2000 pound less than versys.

I don't really see honda as anything special today, sure they have great history and all that but should they charge premium for that?

Our people also not getting richer with the upcoming ron95 subsidy removal laugh.gif
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Hmmm fair point...

Interested to know more on the adv 160 engine swap
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post May 22 2024, 09:03 PM

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QUOTE(yhsiau @ May 22 2024, 07:24 PM)
Adv 350 is a just tuned up version of Forza 350 (NSS350). The price gap between Forza & Adv 350 is too significant.
Not really every1 will flock to this bike if priced below 30KRM (body price), it could fend off the competition heats from Zontes for now.
Zontes incoming ADV scooter(368g & 501) could prove serious competition to honda Adv scooter.

Most of the B full riders might think that this Adv 350 offers less appeal to them.
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Apologies but i was referring to the latest offering of Forza 250cc.. which is priced at 27-29k OTR
i dont think its fair to compare with Zontes as Honda has the legacy but i wont deny the bikes from china (or MFORCE) is ramping up to corner the two taikor in MY (Y and H)

but you are right, ADV350 requiring B full will be one of the major turn offs for a wider audience
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post May 23 2024, 09:42 PM

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QUOTE(WH4CockcooBird @ May 23 2024, 06:32 PM)
TBH I am preparing to pay RM35K~36K for ADV350 before knowing the list price.

Knowing the list price now is RM34k, it falls nicely in the price I am happy with. Only when price gouging by shops e.g. iCity (not Big Wing) that is pissing me off.

I hope Big Wing does keep to their discipline of pricing. I also know PJ Big Wing (ex. Fast Bike) did break this rules with last batch of XADV750 as they are also the AP owner to import these big bikes for BS and HL.
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the SOP is ini macam

Bikes above 250cc, usually is only sold to Big wing - for big wing to get the bikes, they need to submit the waiting list
if the CBU bikes landed at sub dealers is either they do something illegal (get the chasis number and report to BSH) or they bought via runner and resell it at their shop(the bike might be registered, but they can interchange the numbers to avoid detection)

yes, fast bike is appointed bigwing to temporary resolve the AP issue, but it seems they only satisfy their own waiting list (from what i can tell as i have already left BSH at that time). A chat with my kaki kepak has informally informed me that the issue is resolved (Fingers crossed)

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post May 25 2024, 08:45 PM

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QUOTE(RoofTopPrince @ May 24 2024, 12:20 PM)
I saw thailand price for ADV and Forza around RM22k.... our Xmax also expensive what from 24k to 29k
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Xmax expensive, but got ppl buy at 30++k

personally, price for ADV350 is in the sweet spot(if you get it from bigwing and not scalpers) but i dont really like the bike cause it is really small for a maxi scooter.

put down a booking for the 750 instead and farming for money while waiting for the stock to arrive....
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post May 25 2024, 08:46 PM

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QUOTE(WH4CockcooBird @ May 23 2024, 10:40 PM)
Toes, hands, legs all crossed.
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my exkolik said settle d la..haha
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post Jun 30 2024, 08:25 PM

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QUOTE(yhsiau @ Jun 26 2024, 10:37 PM)
The price is very competitive against RE & Triumph 300cc+ retro bike products..  unlike the ADV350.  laugh.gif
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ADV350 is damn small....
when i sat on it, the comment was - seems like the bike ride you better
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post Sep 15 2024, 01:44 PM

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the ADV 350 so tiny..... got the 750 instead.

Never understood why the ADV 750 was so popular even after working for so long in BSH.... now i know why

Its a big bike that handles like a small bike.... so nimble and satisfying

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post Sep 15 2024, 11:56 PM

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QUOTE(alexei @ Sep 15 2024, 08:32 PM)
then after a while, it wears off, and the shortcomings will present itself... hahaha, then, there's no replacement for it
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