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post Oct 5 2022, 06:33 PM

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interesting article
https://vulcanpost.com/804970/keebs-project...egeri-sembilan/


mkb passion/poison runs deep in Malaysia xd, cauz now we have stores like this when years ago we had nothing like it at all. Anyway this store looks interesting if you're an enthusiast.

these types of places are convenient, maybe they allow you to test them before comitting to a mkb. or you can just go to one the mkb meetups, the one i went to every1 brought their mkbs was interesting, even got to try a topre which was great biggrin.gif

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post Oct 21 2022, 05:05 AM

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Cherry’s new mechanical switch is based off an 11-year-old forum post

Cherry's MX Ergo Clear switches are like tactile Browns, but lighter.

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For the happily obsessed mechanical keyboard enthusiast, there's no detail too minor on the journey to the perfect switch. Perfect key feel is worth poring over switch specs or even splicing parts from one mechanical switch with another to create the ideal Frankenswitch, as they've been named. One particular mod has attracted so much attention since being shared on a forum 11 years ago that Cherry turned it into a real product.

Cherry, the inventor of mechanical switches, announced the Cherry MX Ergo Clear this week, describing it as landing between tactile Brown and Clear switches. All three switches have 4 mm total travel and actuate at 2 mm, but the Ergo Clears require about 55 g of force to actuate, with that required force dropping to about 40 g at the switch's operating point. Clears, on the other hand, require 65 g before dropping to 55 g, while Browns require about 55 g and 45 g, respectively.


Cherry announced RGB and non-RGB versions of 3- and 5-pin MX Ergo Clears (four versions total).

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https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/che...old-forum-post/



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DESCRIPTION
Created as a modification by enthusiasts, the CHERRY MX Ergo Clear is a particularly tactile switch with no click. The community switch combines the tactile feedback of the MX Clear with a comparatively light actuation as well as a reduced bottom-out force and offers a smoother typing feel and more relaxed typing or gaming even over many hours.


this....sounds exactly like something i would prefer notworthy.gif


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What Cherry MX Browns SHOULD Have Been: Ergo Clears Review



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out of these i only tried the red, brown and blue in this chart. but based on the description by youtuber, the mx brown tacility is barely noticeable compared to the ergo clear. i get that since mx browns are one of my favs, but if there is something with a bit more tacticility, sounds like something i would appreciate smile.gif

maybe for gamers they don't care as much, since they rather just bottom out with linear switches like reds, e.g. spaming keys as fast as possible (starcraft gamer? laugh.gif )



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Cherry announced its community-inspired MX Ergo Clear mechanical switches this week.


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Availability
True Ergo Clears are of course made by enthusiasts by combining parts from other switches.

Cherry had stated that they would actually produce Ergo Clears in a slider-colour of choice, with a minimum order of at least 750,000 switches.


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Official
Announced on October 17 2022 on Cherry's Cherry MX blog. The stem colour is however, translucent white like (or similar to?) the original Cherry MX Clear.
https://www.cherrymx.de/en/cherry-mx/mx-spe...ergo-clear.html


the youtube explained this, but wasn't this initially inspired by some online board user? well now seems cherry themselves have made it official smile.gif some info on the background of this switch
https://deskthority.net/wiki/Cherry_MX_Ergo_Clear

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post Nov 6 2022, 11:29 AM

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Cherry’s new mechanical switch hails from ’80s terminal keyboards


Nicknamed Nixies, they're like MX Blacks, but stiffer and, purportedly, smoother.


Cherry, the original mechanical switch maker, is continuing to tap the mechanical keyboard community for new product ideas. Its new mechanical switch, the Cherry MX Black Clear-Top, is a nod to enthusiasts who would love to turn in their modern-day clacker for an old-school terminal keyboard with extra-smooth typing.

’80s roots
Before Cherry's Thursday announcement of plans to release the MX Black Clear-Top, the switch was known to hobbyists as the Nixie switch. Cherry made the switch in the 1980s for German office machine-maker Nixdorf Computer AG. The German switch maker was tasked with creating a version of its linear MX Black switch with "milky" upper housing, a 63.5 g actuation force rather than 60 g, and "the relatively rare solution at the time of having a diode integrated into the switch for n-key rollover," Cherry's announcement explained.

What’s so special about this switch?
But what's so great about typing with this switch? The switch formerly known as Nixie is like an MX Black switch but with a heavier actuation force requirement and a more striking appearance. The linear switches each have 4 mm of travel and 2 mm of pre-travel; however, the MX Black Clear-Top switches require more force to start depressing (40 g versus 30 g for MX Black switches).


Like with many mechanical switches, obsession is based on reportedly admirable smooth travel and what Cherry described as "decent acoustics."

Switch reviewer ThereminGoat, described the Nixie switch as "absolutely" smoother than "most" Cherry switches.

They also said the switch makes a "solid, muted, and deep bottoming out noise; whereas, the topping out noise is ever so slightly thinner and shifted toward a higher pitched sound." Curious ears can check out Chyrosran22's review of the Nixdorf CT06-CT07/2 M Softkeys on YouTube (among others) to hear more.

With a nearly mythical reputation like that, you might wonder why Cherry decided to rebrand the Nixie to a name with much less imagination.

Cherry said it renamed the Nixie switch to reflect "enhancements" it made. The switch looks like it used to, but Cherry will sell it with Krytox GLP 205 Grade 0 Grease inside for "lower-friction actuation with optimized acoustics without negatively affecting the typing feel" or durability claims. This a popular lubricant, especially for linear switches like the MX Black Clear-Top.


This may be a wise investment, as ThereminGoat said the Nixies were "not free from scratch," and not as impressively smooth compared to some of today's switches, which, of course, include much more than Cherry brand options.

For those who prefer a different type of lubrication or to do it themselves, Cherry is also releasing a lube-free version of the MX Black Clear-Top.

Additionally, some (although not Cherry) might say the switch's descriptive name falls more in line with how Cherry's other switches are named (MX Black, MX Red, MX Brown, et cetera).

The new name also hints at the switch's connection to the MX Black.

Overall, Cherry claims the switch improves on the '80s design because it's made with modern manufacturing techniques, enabling a 50 million actuation warranty. It goes without saying that switches harvested from a decades-old keyboard you found at a thrift store or on eBay do not have comparable durability claims.



Cherry said MX Black Clear-Top mechanical switches will be available from "all official distributors worldwide" at the start of 2023.

The switch is the second release from Cherry that was recently inspired by community interests. Last month, it announced the Cherry MX Ergo Clear, based on a so-called Frankenswitch (a mechanical switch that combines parts from different switches) design shared by an enthusiast in a forum post in 2011.


https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/11/che...inal-keyboards/


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Linux-ready Launch Heavy is a $300 mechanical keyboard for number crunchers

System76's $300 Launch Heavy has open source hardware and software, plus a USB hub.

Prebuilt mechanical keyboards often neglect Linux support. Users frequently report success in getting a mechanical keyboard's basic functions to work, but many of these peripherals don't accommodate software for controlling advanced features, like macros, with Linux. Since last year, System76's Launch keyboard has been trying to address that problem. But number crunchers will be much more interested in the new Launch Heavy.

Released this week, the Launch Heavy is a numpad-equipped version of the 84-key Launch. As detailed in our System76 Launch review, the keyboard is one of the most customizable Linux-focused mechanical keyboards one can find. However, an absent numpad made the Launch an immediate 'no' for many. Now, the newly released Launch Heavy is addressing many, but not all, of its smaller counterpart's shortcomings.


As you can see, the Launch Heavy's 105 keys aren't a traditional layout. System76 had its way with the keys to the left of the numpad, getting rid of some completely. But compared to the Launch, the Launch Heavy adds keys above the numpad for media control. Unfortunately, there are still no buttons for controlling the volume out of the box.

System76 was gracious enough to update the mechanical switches offered with its keyboards since we reviewed the Launch in March. In addition to the supremely stiff clicky Kailh Box Jades and tactile Box Royals (each require 75 grams of force to actuate), you can get the Launch Heavy and the rest of the lineup with quieter, tactile Kailh Box Silent Browns (50 g) or lighter, linear Silent Pinks (35 g).

You don't have to stick with any of those, though, since the keyboard's switches are easily removable sans soldering iron. But for $300, you'll probably want to start off with switches you're happy to use right away.

Oh, did we forget to mention the Launch Heavy's price? It's only $14 more than the smaller Launch but still a massive ask for a keyboard. Many will prefer one of the best wireless mechanical keyboards, something with volume keys, or building their own mechanical keyboard for that price range instead.

Still, the Launch Heavy (2.8 lbs, to be exact) has some standout features for those willing to spend the money.

System76's Launch mechanical keyboards, which also include the 70-key Launch Lite, represent some of the few mechanical keyboards that claim Linux support (they work with Windows and macOS, too). The vendor pushes its Pop!_OS Linux distribution by having the Launch Heavy support keyboard shortcuts within it, such as organizing tiled windows without a mouse or opening apps.

The Launch series is also an admirably tinker-friendly one, from its open source, QMK-based software for programming its keys and open source chassis and PCB to the hot-swappable switches, which include two for the split spacebar. Perhaps the series' handiest feature is the hub on the top of the keyboard's edge with four increasingly omitted USB-A ports.

While the Launch Heavy's price is still overwhelming, there's enough here for it to be a unique consideration for number crunchers, especially Linux users, seeking a customizable mechanical keyboard.
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/12/one...-gets-a-numpad/

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post Feb 3 2023, 09:06 AM

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https://www.lowyat.net/2023/293341/lol-verifier/

not to judge others, but just pointing out this now exists for keyboards. put it another way, would you spend money for something like this? i wouldn't. but it's apparently a thing if you feel like you need it laugh.gif


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post Feb 17 2023, 04:22 PM

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if u want to test your keyboard keys, this is a good site for that
https://www.keyboardtester.com/tester.html

basically to check for faulty keys not registering as they should.

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post Feb 18 2023, 08:47 AM

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QUOTE(horns @ Feb 17 2023, 07:34 PM)
you can also use the key tester in qmk toolbox, and via (web)
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i was doing my mkb cleaning, so i left it to dry for a day, then tested that everything was working. so thats why i was using that. but i'll try yours the next time i do that smile.gif

i also used a vacuum blow drier to make sure everything is as dry as possible. i also use a hand brush with bristles to clean the keyboard.


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post Feb 18 2023, 08:50 AM

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https://www.lowyat.net/2023/294388/razer-bl...verload-rm1149/


RM1149?

I think you can get a decent mkb for half the price already ( we aren't dying for choices in the past few years, FORTUNATELY). so what exactly are you paying extra for i wonder? confused.gif

it's important to have these types of discussions least people end up paying more than they really should have hmm.gif

the first thing i would ask, if they asking for that price, they better have decent durable lights, good keycaps and switches.

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post Feb 28 2023, 10:19 AM

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OnePlus Malaysia is bringing in the mechanical Keyboard 81 Pro in Q2 2023

https://soyacincau.com/2023/02/27/oneplus-m...pro-in-q2-2023/

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The OnePlus Featuring Keyboard 81 Pro is already visible on OnePlus’s Malaysian website. It appears that only the Winter Bonfire model with tactile switches and PBT keycaps will be offered for sale here.


https://www.oneplus.com/my/product/oneplus-...keyboard-81-pro

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post Apr 25 2023, 05:07 PM

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This is Pure False Advertising - HP 550 Keyboard


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holy shi..... fast forward to 2:40 in the video where Linus begins to explain how HP is scamming users using a wolf in sheeps clothing product.
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if your box marketing is labeled mkb, don't try to trick users by using something else instead shakehead.gif not sure how they thought the enthustiast especially the youtuber reviewers would not finding something suspect and tear it apart to find out what trickery they did doh.gif

topre is lovely, i tried it before nod.gif


people have also been mentioned Niz as they are far cheaper than Topre, so maybe those are worth checking out.

But this HP is awful and a scam puke.gif

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post Apr 25 2023, 05:32 PM

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mkb mecha if you want to personally try a mkb before buying from shopee



*not a sponsored video :X just thought it was interesting.

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post Aug 26 2023, 12:28 PM

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Hands-on with Cherry MX2A switches: A lot less wobble, a little more confusion

Cherry fights mechanical switch copycats with a new, yet familiar, lineup.

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/08/han...more-confusion/




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post Sep 9 2023, 10:55 AM

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https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/09/the...o-the-cheapest/



budget king mech keyboard? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(horns @ Sep 9 2023, 11:24 AM)
this is very affordable indeed. the main downside for beginners might be that it's a soldered prebuilt. however, to those who just want a board with gasket-mount typing feel, this might be a good choice.

well, a 35usd tkl that is supported by via (c3 pro qmk source code is in the pull request queue now. it should be available very soon), it's a good beginner option tbh.
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couldn't find it listed on shopee though. guess amazon only has it? hmm.gif
https://www.keychron.com/products/keychron-...anical-keyboard

according to the website it said this shocking.gif
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Exclusively available on Amazon, not offered for sale on the Keychron website.



mkbs closest to that price point i could fine were like

Royal Kludge RK87 Tenkeyless (TKL) Wireless Hotswappable Keyboard
https://mecha.com.my/collections/87-tkl-key...=42479789867146

Keychron V3 TKL Custom Mechanical Keyboard
https://mecha.com.my/collections/87-tkl-key...=42725659639946


both of which are 87% TKL. Full size mkbs will cost more *my personal preference cause i find numpads useful laugh.gif


Anyway the C3 Pro keycaps are doubleshots notworthy.gif also comes with red or brown switches *both which i like, more so the brown

seems well built
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also has led lighting to boot.

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Slash 48% off Logitech's G915 TKL gaming keyboard, dropping to its lowest price ever

https://www.xda-developers.com/logitech-g915-tkl-120-deal/





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asus hasn't been kind to their customers lately. but here is their mkb to look at nevertheless hmm.gif

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my friend wants a new mkb any recommendations? something budget but good. preferably full size keyboard not 10keyless


requirement, doubleshot keycaps ideally. some lighting for keycaps would be nice as well. plastic material pbt? abs? quality if possible for this price point xd.

keycap either cherry mx red or brown. or what do you recommend ? is cherry mx the go to recommendation still?


i'm out of date for mkbs sweat.gif

budget about 400-500 roughly hmm.gif


RK ROYAL KLUDGE RKM75 Gasket 81 Keys Wireless Mechanical Keyboard for 284.02 recommended?





settled for this, hope i did not make a mistake. even if it's not perfect, from what i saw it looks good from a lot of angles and it's a good deal. Yes there cheaper mkbs out there, maybe didn't get the best deal possible but it's within budget and seems to be good quality hmm.gif

went with the brown switches. no experience with the silver but i asssume it's linear something like reds?


people were discussing this mkb, they said there were was a refresh? something about the layout particularly the 3 keys to the right is different, and they user pro switches hmm.gif does this apply for the brown switches as well? or only silver?

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QUOTE(horns @ Apr 12 2024, 12:09 AM)
i would recommend monsgeek m series. get variants that have qmk support. the total costs might be higher, but there are relatively richer options for a user to play with, e.g., plates, and various foams.

as for switches, it doesn't matter when the user is new to the hobby.
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o no saw this post too late. already ordered bye.gif

appreciated nevertheless. hope i didn't make too bad a mistake sweat.gif


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as for switches, it doesn't matter when the user is new to the hobby.
friend is a young person, they are not an enthusiast like us. at most they will just like the bling and maybe appreciate a mkb if they haven't experienced it before.


i did do my research, so it's not like i bought randomly. i even think it's nicer than the mkb i am still using cry.gif







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i watched the video it looks nice. it even has pbt. i think the rk i ordered uses abs? i'm fine with either. but rk will be using doubleshots so that's perfect.

this is the one i ordered it's called phantom for this color theme
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i was looking at mongsok but i didn't like their color themes.

another thing, i saw the RK has more I/o at the back for wired, wireless, or bluetooth. Maybe the mongsok also has similar but i don't know hmm.gif


I was very impressed with the feature set of the RKM75 for the price point. But i have been out of the scene for a while, so maybe you can get better for the same price. but to me it looked quite good for the build and features. I won't be testing it hands on since it's a gift, it would be rude to do that laugh.gif I'll ask my friend to provide feedback later.

almost made me want to buy one too. but if it ain't broke...... this is why i bought a mkb in the first place. long lasting thumbup.gif

but if not mistaken that screen is an oled? won't that get burn in if it's always showing the txt on the screen? does it have a time out feature or something to prevent burn in confused.gif

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QUOTE(LegendLee @ Apr 12 2024, 07:01 PM)
There is 1 major difference between the RKM75 and Monsgeek M1W.

Monsgeek M series is made from a solid block of aluminum.
That itself have several advantage
- it does look more premium
- it certain weighs a whole lot more premium too
- it actually changes the sound profile of the keypress quite significantly.

Nothing wrong with getting the RK M75 especially if you want a complete package ready to be gifted.
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that is a good point.

So the RK is basically mostly plastic build with perhaps only the keycap face plate the only metalic aluminium part (my assumption) mostly?

I don't think my friend would mind that. But yes that does improve the build quality of the Monsgeek in my mind. I just wish they had some nicer color themes similar to the phantom hmm.gif

i've used both types of mkbs before, and the aluminium block does add some heft to it, which i find good for keeping the mkb in place.

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NuPhy Gem80 Review — The Rolls Royce of Mechanical Keyboards hmm.gif

https://wccftech.com/review/nuphy-gem80-rev...ical-keyboards/







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