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post Nov 13 2025, 06:36 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Nov 13 2025, 05:35 PM)
Managed to find the discussion. It's in the 'SGX Counters' thread : https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3727515/+6460
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ah.... ok... browsed through the discussion... doesn't seem to indicate anything has changed since the extension granted as theedge article: https://theedgemalaysia.com/node/730798
(the discussion was in April onwards of 2025, this year).

So the extension by gov to 2036 remains valid... unless there are new announcement. (budget 2026 announcement already over rite?)

We only need to worry closer to 2036. nod.gif


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post Nov 14 2025, 12:16 PM

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QUOTE(jasontoh @ Nov 14 2025, 08:23 AM)
The extension was done by Tengku Zafrul, if not mistaken. Wonder this type of extension can suddenly be claw back, though I have no intention to move back the money, will only rely the local currency for local spending and foreign currencies for travel and hedging purposes.
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In theory and in real life, anything can happen. plus we are talking about a policy to be enforced in a decade's time. For all we know, the next gov will decide to change the rules again for whatever reason.

Yeah, same same here. I also don't have the intention to remit my overseas fund back to Malaysia... as I have no idea what to do with the funds afterwards in Malaysia. Local bursa holdings and EPF div basically covers my monthly spending budget.

I may occasionally remit like 10 to 30K rm back from overseas once in a blue moon as spare spending cash. I reckon such small amount will not trigger anything....


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post Nov 14 2025, 12:25 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Nov 14 2025, 10:08 AM)
Thank you for browsing-back.

The extension of exemption for remitted income up till 2036  applies only to foreign income that has been taxed. If one is earning SG dividends and remitting-back, will this dividend be exempted ?

The snag here is : The exemption is NOT across the board. This time, there is a condition applied to the extension.

If we have any uncertainty on the above, we need to start thinking now and not closer to 2036.
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My understanding is that MY and SG have similar tax code wrt taxation on div from corporations registered in respective countries. SG still maintain 0% tax rate, while MY now have 2% for amt abv 100K.
So, it is considered not relevant to individuals.... yeah, there are some special requirements like corporations/partnerships... but that has nothing to do with most of us.

Well, 2036 is quite far away really.... that is a decade away. Can keep it in mind, but no need to overstress within next few years.
Just think back to 2015... how much is different now? even gov is diff... (and yet same same type of MPs... lol). doh.gif
2015 EPF says those too much money can take out, now... ops... want to keep your cash in form of pension cashflow... mad.gif

(there's another solution... can always pass the overseas fund to your kids directly there... no need to remit back... That's my other plan... have to pay for educations overseas, if they can make it)
edit: a friend jokingly suggested that I also go overseas again to get a PhD at same time at same uni... if nothing, just to spend down the funds... lol

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post Nov 14 2025, 12:32 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Nov 14 2025, 10:36 AM)
Very easy.
1. Dump say RM2m into stock that is generating around 5%p.a. if scared to kena tax keep it below the RM2m mark say Rm1.8. This will give you dividend of less than RM100k thus preventing you from paying the 2% tax. This is to sustain your lifestyle in Malaysia.
2. Live like a digital nomad. Interactive broker now have credit card that they open to non US citizen to for all your overseas spend. Better than any priority bank (their forex rates).
3. Most drastic way, be tax resident of Ireland,  (no need to be rich unlike Singapore), there are other good tax country which I didn't research yet.
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wah... your third proposal only makes sense if one is dirty rich... in context of Malaysians here, be at least a hectomillionaire in ringgit. else, not cost effective...
or just gift the accumulated wealth to your decendants without remitting the funds back.

there is another method: throw the extra funds you have into EPF as epf div is tax free... (maybe not you, since you don't like EPF... lol)

Having said all this, the 2% tax for div abv 100K rm is a rounding error issue... I don't mind letting gov take that... cos buying gold itself also I kena bid-ask spread of like 5% min.
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post Nov 14 2025, 01:58 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Nov 14 2025, 01:04 PM)
Not really. Got poor Americans who did what I said. Last time got Portugal foreign viaa. So they pay tax in Portuguese. I heard some Australian also did the same thing. Live in Span or Portugal for retirement.
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(me just thinking out loud here akin to brainstorming... so anyone reading, take this with a big pinch of salt... ) biggrin.gif

If the goal is simply to bring money back to Malaysia, isn’t this whole arrangement a bit too much hassle? If someone is already willing to spend long stretches overseas (like 6 months in Oz and NZ), then the easiest option is just spend overseas money overseas and avoid the remittance issue entirely.

Most low ringgit deca-millionaires don’t really have the scale to live that kind of lifestyle and still insist on remitting money back to Malaysia tax-free.
(10m 3% swr => 300K spending)

Plus, if already retired with no active income (so no rental as it counts as active income and is taxable), then anything remitted to Malaysia get taxed according to personal bracket. For example, remitting 100k might mean an average tax of around 6%... 30K to 40K would be fully tax free due to deductions.

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post Nov 15 2025, 12:37 PM

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May I ask if there is a particular reason why you wish to transfer your overseas holding (ie sgx shares) form a broker overseas back to a local broker?

cos transaction costs (buying or selling) in general is a lot cheaper overseas in SG or HK rite?



QUOTE(Medufsaid @ Nov 14 2025, 10:53 PM)
for those who've invested in SGX stocks, what if you transfer out to a local broker like Moomoo Malaysia https://www.moomoo.com/sg/support/topic5_590. giving an example of Moomoo SG as per below, no idea how much your sg broker will charge
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

anyway i did ask moomoo sg before, no discount if transfer out to moomoo MY
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post Nov 15 2025, 05:18 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Nov 15 2025, 02:44 PM)
Thank you. I’ll address ur 7th paragraph first - kids ‘ education all completed and they graduated, doing well overseas.🙂

To your first few paragraphs, IF the dividends we earn do not fulfill the conditions, then we are staring down at possible tax against all funds remitted-back in the next 10 years.
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Curious... what dividends are those that you are refering to? div from partnerships or special trusts?
At the end, in spite of all the jugglings done, if one still has to pay tax on forex remitted back, then have to pay lor. That is 2036 onwards...

btw, a traveller can carry up to 10K usd in notes in and out of malaysia, without declaration. Legal and clean.

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post Nov 20 2025, 12:12 PM

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Honestly, worrying about the tax on remittances in 10 years time might not even be the most important thing to stress over.
If really want to use the brain cells productively, focus on the bigger swing that is actually usdmyr itself.

Take today’s rate... around 4.16.

Over 10 years, 3 out of many realistic/possible scenarios:
a) if usdmyr strengthens to 5.0
=> your usd stash gets a +20% fx boost before investment returns even enter the picture.
b) If usdmyr drops to 3.0
=> effectively lost ~28% in ringgit terms just by holding your funds overseas too long.
c) If usdmyr static
=> remit back just before 2036 lor...

Compared to these FX swings, the remittance tax issue is… honestly small potatoes.
FX alone can dwarf whatever tax the government eventually implements.

hence long-term USD/MYR direction might be the more meaningful thing to ponder, even though nobody ever got it right.... laugh.gif

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post Nov 20 2025, 02:15 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Nov 20 2025, 12:51 PM)
Emmm,... actually there is one thing I need to clarify here. Which one is it ?

1) FSI remitted-back starts to be taxed from 2036 ?........ or,.........

2) Whatever FSI remitted-back from 2026 till 2036 will be counted and then taxed in YA2036, to be declared in 2037 ?


The earlier arrangement was : Whatever FSI remitted-back from 2021 till 2026 will be counted and then taxed in YA2026, to be declared in 2027.

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Regarding your statement (bolded), could I check where this idea came from? This is actually the first time I’m hearing it, so it’s possible I may have missed something during the COVID period.

Can share any articles or sources that describe this treatment, would appreciate it. This would be quite unusual for individual income tax treatment. (maybe companies or partnerships are common, so maybe it’s possible there...but for individuals it seems unlikely.)

It is equivalent to one owning money to lhdn for a few years and settle after such years...

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post Nov 20 2025, 11:25 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Nov 20 2025, 09:36 PM)
Starting 2036 foreign sources income will be tax. How? Don't know yet.
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even this date may not be cast in stone... even if it is cast in stone, someone can chisel away at the date... just saying... brows.gif biggrin.gif
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post Nov 21 2025, 02:16 PM

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Nov 21 2025, 01:05 PM)
fsi is already taxable... check form b/be guide for details...

fsi exemption only if income or withholding tax has been paid...

exchange rate to use follow bank negara data...
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are you refering to income sourced overseas and received in Malaysia, or the FSI where it is not remitted to Malaysia? for individual BE filing....

maybe can screenshot where in the be guide that clarifies what you claimed? this will definitely answer Hansel's question.

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post Nov 21 2025, 04:28 PM

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QUOTE(Fantasia @ Nov 21 2025, 03:56 PM)
Not sure if this document help - from lhdn
5.1.4 Foreign income received in Malaysia that has been taxed by other jurisdictions either through withholding tax or income tax, are eligible for bilateral or unilateral tax credit under the provisions of sections 132 and 133 of the ITA 1967.
5.2.2.1 All foreign income other than partnership income received
in Malaysia by a resident individual from 1 January 2022 until 31 December 2026 is exempt from tax provided the income has been subjected to tax in the country of origin.

This policy then got extended to 31st December 2036 during budget 2025.
source from The Edge
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Thanks for the quotation and sos.

Looks like the diff is the BE vs B form, and lack of confirmation of whether the income is received in malaysia.

2036 and keeping 14 years of records. Good luck to LHDN.
Those with normal BE form filling can just ignore till closer to 2036... And let those with biz income spearhead the discovery with LHDN officers. Hah.

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post Nov 21 2025, 08:46 PM

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Nov 21 2025, 07:37 PM)
for sure BE form has a section for FSI...

and tax is up to you to declare... if audited is up to you to provide proof... lhdn will err on their conservative side and penalize you the max unless you can prove otherwise...
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so you remitted the income back to Malaysia? doh.gif
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post Dec 8 2025, 06:28 PM

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QUOTE(boyboycute @ Dec 8 2025, 04:28 PM)
The long term trajectory of Ringgit, SGD and USD is pretty obvious now
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I'm still not entirely sure, even with the recent trends. For now, I prefer keeping a good portion of my funds overseas simply because the ocean is much bigger than our local "pond". Not looking down on Malaysia.... but it is just that the range of opportunities is objectively wider overseas.
(even some hot pot chain also ipo'ed in US rite?)

That said, luckily my monthly spending budget is largely covered by divs from what I still keep in Malaysia, so I have the flexibility to let the overseas side compound over time.


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QUOTE(frankliew @ Dec 12 2025, 01:39 PM)
Look like UsD gonna drop to 4 soon.
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so strong.... epf overseas return will be slightly impacted... sweat.gif
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post Dec 13 2025, 12:40 PM

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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Dec 12 2025, 11:58 PM)
I convert my epf balance to usd and feel richer.
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haha... same same sentiment here....

if look at my portfolio in usd term vs myr term, myr return is like 10% worse off....
so better look at usd term. haha rclxm9.gif
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post Yesterday, 06:07 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Dec 15 2025, 04:52 PM)
Those cheapo Sinki comes to JB mostly....

High quality one goes elsewhere for "shopping"....
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Cheapo or poor? Haha.

Not even 10% change in value....

I am sure goods are still much cheaper at JB than in SG.

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