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TSrogue
post Aug 18 2022, 09:57 AM, updated 3y ago

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Hi, can anyone share insights on why mobile operators haven't enabled IPv6 yet ? I only know the mobile operator YES has it enabled.
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post Aug 18 2022, 10:18 AM

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QUOTE(rogue @ Aug 18 2022, 09:57 AM)
Hi, can anyone share insights on why mobile operators haven't enabled IPv6 yet ? I only know the mobile operator YES has it enabled.
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If I'm not mistaken, Celcom already enable IPv6 too.
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post Aug 18 2022, 10:26 AM

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U Mobile does seem to if I try it on those ipv6 test sites
TSrogue
post Aug 18 2022, 10:28 AM

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QUOTE(PRSXFENG @ Aug 18 2022, 10:26 AM)
U Mobile does seem to if I try it on those ipv6 test sites
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If you check network properties on your phone, does it show the IPv6 address ?
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post Aug 18 2022, 10:52 AM

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Digi is already using IPv6. And yes, I've checked on the mobile data properties
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post Aug 18 2022, 10:53 AM

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QUOTE(sHawTY @ Aug 18 2022, 10:52 AM)
Digi is already using IPv6. And yes, I've checked on the mobile data properties
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That's good news thanks. How is it speed wise ?
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post Aug 18 2022, 11:16 AM

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Maxis, Digi, Celcom, Umobile and Yes have IPv6 enabled default.
You may check for apn settings if you not getting IPv6 addresses.
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post Aug 18 2022, 11:21 AM

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QUOTE(rogue @ Aug 18 2022, 10:53 AM)
How is it speed wise ?
Depends on the area
In most places in Klang Valley, Digi wins for me

But if I went back to my kampung in Bukit Bunga(Kelantan) & Ipoh(Perak), Digi fails miserably
Though I rarely go back to kampung so doesn't really matter
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post Aug 18 2022, 11:21 AM

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QUOTE(twice1020 @ Aug 18 2022, 11:16 AM)
Maxis, Digi, Celcom, Umobile and Yes have IPv6 enabled default.
You may check for apn settings if you not getting IPv6 addresses.
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I'm on Yoodo and I don't think they have IPv6 enabled.
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post Aug 18 2022, 11:23 AM

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who said didnt?????

who??
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post Aug 18 2022, 11:26 AM

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QUOTE(ifourtos @ Aug 18 2022, 11:23 AM)
who said didnt?????

who??
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I just check mine and there is no global ipv6 address..
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post Aug 18 2022, 11:27 AM

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Unifi mobile has it too
So does Digi.
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post Aug 18 2022, 11:31 AM

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Digi as i see support ipv6 long time ago, 3 or 4 years
Umobile recent year, or 2
TSrogue
post Aug 18 2022, 11:31 AM

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Pretty good news that most major mobile telco already enable IPv6 since last I heard..keep it up..
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post Aug 18 2022, 11:34 AM

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QUOTE(rogue @ Aug 18 2022, 11:26 AM)
I just check mine and there is no global ipv6 address..
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haiz....

haiz.......


can i say my place celcom weak = entire nation celcom weak????


most ISP stll manage to allocate some IPv4 addresses

when they run out IP to distribute, they give u ipv6.......
TSrogue
post Aug 18 2022, 11:39 AM

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QUOTE(ifourtos @ Aug 18 2022, 11:34 AM)
haiz....

haiz.......
can i say my place celcom weak = entire nation celcom weak????
most ISP stll manage to allocate some IPv4 addresses

when they run out IP to distribute, they give u ipv6.......
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I just chat with Yoodo support and it seems they are using IPv4 only for now.
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post Aug 18 2022, 01:25 PM

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QUOTE(rogue @ Aug 18 2022, 11:21 AM)
I'm on Yoodo and I don't think they have IPv6 enabled.
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IIRC mvno didn't have IPv6 enabled as for now.
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post Aug 18 2022, 02:52 PM

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DiGi support IPv6 many years ago, i think they are one of the pioneer on this area.

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post Aug 18 2022, 05:29 PM

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QUOTE(rogue @ Aug 18 2022, 11:39 AM)
I just chat with Yoodo support and it seems they are using IPv4 only for now.
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i just hope u understand this :

IPv4, IPv6 can be deployed together.


IPv4 is so much more "rare" compared to IPv6 addresses
in most case, new telco are given more ipv6 allocation.


Those asking about IPv6 support from isp, is actually not even a relevant question....

IPv6 vs IPv4 is more to a allocation/availability problem.
is not a a Feature/funcation


So, if any1 question they support IPv6 or not?
is usually question the wrong thing.

I believe no TELCO can survive WITHOUT IPv6 TODAY. none.

the question is always, did they allocate ipv6 to you or not.

Layman term.

If Najib dont want lend you money.
You put up a Question here. Did Najib Broke???
( because i ask him borrow me money 3 times, no response )

Najib dont borrow u money DOES NOT EQUAL Najib no money.

U dont get ipv6, in most case, they allocated ipv4 for u...

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post Aug 18 2022, 06:10 PM

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i have turn off ipv6 because it showing local POP gateway address. not fan of that
ipv4 shown another state mostly kv
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post Aug 18 2022, 10:05 PM

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Ipv6 is part of mandatory LTE spec.
It's up to your device to route and use it or not.
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post Aug 18 2022, 10:19 PM

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QUOTE(ifourtos @ Aug 18 2022, 05:29 PM)
i just hope u understand this :

IPv4, IPv6 can be deployed together.
IPv4 is so much more "rare" compared to IPv6 addresses
in most case, new telco are given more ipv6 allocation.
Those asking about IPv6 support from isp, is actually not even a relevant question....

IPv6 vs IPv4 is more to a allocation/availability problem.
is not a a Feature/funcation
So, if any1 question they support IPv6 or not?
is usually question the wrong thing.

I believe no TELCO can survive WITHOUT IPv6 TODAY. none.

the question is always, did they allocate ipv6 to you or not.

Layman term.

If Najib dont want lend you money.
You put up a Question here. Did Najib Broke???
( because i ask him borrow me money 3 times, no response )

Najib dont borrow u money DOES NOT EQUAL Najib no money.

U dont get ipv6, in most case, they allocated ipv4 for u...
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Valid points. Thanks for the feedback.
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post Aug 18 2022, 10:25 PM

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QUOTE(failed.hashcheck @ Aug 18 2022, 10:05 PM)
Ipv6 is part of mandatory LTE spec.
It's up to your device to route and use it or not.
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I would have used it already but someone already mentioned that Yoodo haven't allocated it yet. Only time will tell..
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post Aug 19 2022, 06:37 PM

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QUOTE(failed.hashcheck @ Aug 18 2022, 10:05 PM)
Ipv6 is part of mandatory LTE spec.
It's up to your device to route and use it or not.
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Not mandatory for LTE and 5G. However, it is already made mandatory by MCMC that fixed and mobile operators enable dual stack by default to end customers.
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post Aug 20 2022, 08:03 PM

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Maxis LTE/NR IPv6 is routable Prefix and Address, to avoid Hotspot detection need play with some IPv6 NAT and Firewall using ROS 7.3+

IPv6 Firewall NAT: Using router IPv6 address instead of device address, like IPv4 LAN-WAN
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ipv6 firewall nat add action=masquerade chain=srcnat comment="defconf: masquerade" out-interface-list=LTE


IPv6 Firewall Mangle: Change TTL to 64 (Default Unix (Linux, BSD, macOS) value)
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ipv6 firewall mangle add action=change-hop-limit chain=postrouting comment="change TTL" dst-prefix=::/0 new-hop-limit=set:64 out-interface-list=WAN passthrough=yes protocol=!icmpv6 src-prefix=::/0

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post Aug 21 2022, 02:31 AM

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QUOTE(Anime4000 @ Aug 20 2022, 08:03 PM)
Maxis LTE/NR IPv6 is routable Prefix and Address, to avoid Hotspot detection need play with some IPv6 NAT and Firewall using ROS 7.3+

IPv6 Firewall NAT: Using router IPv6 address instead of device address, like IPv4 LAN-WAN
CODE

ipv6 firewall nat add action=masquerade chain=srcnat comment="defconf: masquerade" out-interface-list=LTE


IPv6 Firewall Mangle: Change TTL to 64 (Default Unix (Linux, BSD, macOS) value)
CODE

ipv6 firewall mangle add action=change-hop-limit chain=postrouting comment="change TTL" dst-prefix=::/0 new-hop-limit=set:64 out-interface-list=WAN passthrough=yes protocol=!icmpv6 src-prefix=::/0

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This seem to be on Mikrotik for home use.. How this impact mobile IPv6 on phones ?
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post Aug 21 2022, 05:04 PM

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QUOTE(rogue @ Aug 21 2022, 02:31 AM)
This seem to be on Mikrotik for home use.. How this impact mobile IPv6 on phones ?
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well, plug-in phone to mikrotik USB, and IPv6 DHCP Client can get address and PC can use IPv6 from LTE device

thing is, IPv4 traffic very congested, sometime slow and high ping, IPv6 give better latency and lower IX/hop

IPv6 have 2 address: interface address, prefix address

LTE interface have own address, while client behind router also have internet reachable address
TSrogue
post Aug 22 2022, 11:10 AM

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QUOTE(Anime4000 @ Aug 21 2022, 05:04 PM)
well, plug-in phone to mikrotik USB, and IPv6 DHCP Client can get address and PC can use IPv6 from LTE device

thing is, IPv4 traffic very congested, sometime slow and high ping, IPv6 give better latency and lower IX/hop

IPv6 have 2 address: interface address, prefix address

LTE interface have own address, while client behind router also have internet reachable address
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Ah understood. You were referring to getting IPv6 to work using LTE as your backup line hooked up to a Mikrotik router via USB. Hopefully this can be brought to Mikrotik's attention and they will implement this as a on/off feature when using LTE+IPv6 as a backup internet line.
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post Aug 22 2022, 11:16 AM

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QUOTE(Anime4000 @ Aug 21 2022, 05:04 PM)
well, plug-in phone to mikrotik USB, and IPv6 DHCP Client can get address and PC can use IPv6 from LTE device

thing is, IPv4 traffic very congested, sometime slow and high ping, IPv6 give better latency and lower IX/hop

IPv6 have 2 address: interface address, prefix address

LTE interface have own address, while client behind router also have internet reachable address
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You mentioned interface and prefix addresses. Are they LL(Link-Local) addresses or GUA(Global Unique Addresses/Routable addresses) ?

In order for Mikrotik to assign IPv6 addresses to LAN, it needs to be routed a /64 from LTE right ? How does it work in your case ?

I assume your LTE phone only has a single routable IPv6 address.
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QUOTE(rogue @ Aug 18 2022, 10:28 AM)
If you check network properties on your phone, does it show the IPv6 address ?
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I checked my IP number using Google and "What is my ip address" and I have two IP numbers, one IPV4 and one IPV6.
My IPV4 is likely a CGNAT, so, I cannot access my internal apps like CCTV, etc from outside without tunnellin service like
I2P or TOR. My IPV6 is an actual IP Number that can be accessed from outside my network. Since U Mobile dynamically
changes my IPV6 every day, I use a dynamic DNS service to update my IP number.

I believe IPV6 has potential as every citizen of Malaysia can run their own websites online and host all types of content
that cannot be censored.


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post Feb 17 2023, 01:20 PM

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QUOTE(sugumaranv @ Feb 11 2023, 03:37 PM)
I checked my IP number using Google and "What is my ip address" and I have two IP numbers, one IPV4 and one IPV6.
My IPV4 is likely a CGNAT, so, I cannot access my internal apps like CCTV, etc from outside without tunnellin service like
I2P or TOR.  My IPV6 is an actual IP Number that can be accessed from outside my network. Since U Mobile dynamically
changes my IPV6 every day, I use a dynamic DNS service to update my IP number.

I believe IPV6 has potential as every citizen of Malaysia can run their own websites online and host all types of content
that cannot be censored.
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Thanks for the feedback. I switch to Hotlink a week ago and they too support IPv6. I wish I could turn off IPv4 when on LTE/4G to test out IPv6-only
but that's not possible unless you root your device.

 

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