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 Engineering CGPA <2.5, possible to get good job?

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post Aug 2 2022, 12:09 PM

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My opinions:

1) If you were only invited for one interview after graduating from your course, then it is time for you to review your CV. Put yourself into the recruiter's shoes.

2) Based on my recruitment experiences, right attitudes and communication skills are more important CGPA, though I don’t deny some HR personnel may insist on the CGPA. It is quite common for diploma holders with years of experiences are considered for positions that are usually filled with degree holders.

3) If you can’t get a job after 1 year, then you will have few challenges. Firstly, you are going to compete with your juniors who are joining the job market soon. Secondly, you lose your seniority because your uni classmates have been working for the past 12 months. Thirdly, you will face the stereotyping – the recruiters may perceive you are choosy. You will find it more difficult to get into good companies.

4) If you aim to work in process / manufacturing industries, you can’t run away from managing and interacting with foreign labour. A tough environment like the Chinese company you mentioned is a right training ground for you to set up the right expectation, learn the skills to manage and lead blue collar workers.

5) Don’t always blame your university. Actually, in most of the cases that I encountered, it is much easier to obtain a first class honour in an average university.

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post Aug 2 2022, 12:24 PM

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QUOTE(maximusdecimus @ Aug 2 2022, 12:00 PM)
Hello there. Nice to meet you. Good tips. I don't actually have a particular job I'm aiming for currently. I have my eye on operations if I had to choose, though I'm not opposed to doing any of the other suitable roles. My original degree was in chemical eng. to be honest, but if the role requires me to specialize in something different I don't mind doing it either way. What would you say is the biggest challenge you face as a field engineer? Would you recommend the role to others?
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Then you are looking at factory and plant setup; being in production or operation team. You can try those plant / factory outside KV area for higher chance. Or join smaller local factory and jump every 2/3 years.

If you like to do dirty works and hands on, under the sun, always travelling, field engineer role is suitable for you.


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post Aug 2 2022, 12:39 PM

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QUOTE(kesvani @ Aug 2 2022, 12:03 AM)
Just graduate attitude already like shit.
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For replying appropriately to a worthless comment? If that's how you judge attitude, not sure you're good at your job. If you noticed, I replied to everyone else with excellent insight with respect. This dude? Just here to stir shit because he's offended his beloved Chinamen got insulted despite having nothing to say. Respect is a two-way street.

QUOTE(feekle @ Aug 2 2022, 07:09 AM)
What's wrong with engineers doing machine cleaning & floor cleaning once in a while? don't you think you can learn a thing or two in it since you are still fresh? Can't you see your tidak sedar diri attitude? dah la CGPA rendah, demand mahu kerja environment bagus la, wanted place where engineers treated better la..hello sir, your CV won't even be looked at when they see your CGPA first, you'll be lucky if they even flip to second page ffs.
What choice do you have? You either need to gain experience elsewhere, the harder route, in small to medium chinaman, melayuman, indiaman companies, perhaps you can boast in your future CV that you multi task and learn things by yourself in the process, by things i mean here looking at the bright side from the cleaning works, you learn about machine components, parts, how it works, you learn about what kind of chemical used, you takut kena bark by management, you learn abit about how to manage workers better, you OBSERVE how the factory is run. This is called learning.

but hey, your attitude already so obvious here kan..

If you still fail to upperstand, then go do masters la..be lecturer. that's where you can shine the most i guess, you won't get your hands dirty by doing so, you teach all day from the book.
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Dude, you're finally starting to say something a bit more worthwhile, yet you still fcked it up. First of all, there's a lot of people who advice not placing the CGPA on the CV. That's exactly what I did. Secondly, that's not something you do "once in a while". That's literally part of the job scope you have to sign off on at made for China factories like this. Thirdly I would advise not jumping to conclusions, because that's more like your "tidak sedar diri attitude". The reason I refused to join this factory in particular is two-fold;

1) The Chinaman was more interested in me being able to toil in hot and humid conditions scraping the bottom of the barrel with the foreign workers (which they're short of) than anything related to engineering. The extent of "engineering" work I will be doing is punching in a few Excel files. No engineering software or knowledge involved. I did an on-site visit as well and I can safely conclude that the only learning involved would be using brute force to open and close machines. You're going to have to dig through century-old books with outdated P&ID diagrams if you're going to want to know anything about the machines.

2) I also read reviews from others who worked there and enquired with people while I was there for the interview. The prognosis is terminal. They don't have a single degree holder working anywhere around the plants. They're safely enjoying the comfort of the A/C office while sipping drinks.

Once again, I'd repeat that I don't care what size of company I'm heading to, or that my starting salary is low, or if they're Melayu/India/ Kadazan/ Orang Asli (do they even have the reputation of Chinamen? lol 🤭). My only requirement is that I apply the knowledge I have gained from my studies as part of my job scope, not do something completely irrelevant and pretend I'm making use of my qualifications. And I don't for a second believe the CGPA is the sole factor like you're saying. Any good company should have other requirements and could also reference my SPM and matriculation results, both of which paint a very different picture of my academic qualifications. I don't enjoy teaching others for lecturer roles, but that's like the only worthwhile advice you gave so thanks I guess.
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post Aug 2 2022, 12:46 PM

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QUOTE(CALexChai @ Aug 2 2022, 01:18 AM)
Most master programmes minimum requirement CGPA 2.5 and above. Instead of having a master title, I would suggest u to take some professional certificate course.
btw, am interested which uni u r from? hehe
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What sort of courses would you recommend? I would like to take more courses too. I'd rather not say the name of the uni, but it was pretty bad from the get-go.The final year project I did was a farce because the appointed lecturer was too preoccupied training his master's degree students. Fck that uni
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post Aug 2 2022, 12:55 PM

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Seriously /k should stop help this TS. His attitude is shit based from all his reply. Expect his uni to help him get better job but got low cgpa. Expect engineering right after landing a job but I think too tough he will blame back his co.

Yes I spm kid only but damm but if got boy like you follow me, I would request to change to other people
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post Aug 2 2022, 02:20 PM

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TS,

I'm proposing that you just grab whatever job (unless you have financial support after graduation) that you can get (assuming you only applied them due to they're "interesting" to you) and toil through min 3 years.
After that use the min 3 years of experience to "overwrite" the CGPA via working experience and negotiate for better salary and working environment.

There's no fool-proof way to go about this but it'll help to feed your stomach and gained you some experience to move forward.

In my opinion, as long as you're willing to learn and go the extra miles, there'll always be way to improve.
However, you'll need to overcome the interview hurdle in order for the employer to give you a chance.

Be humble and learn as much as you can cos you're still young (even handling bangla/foreigner is a skill as it tested your communication and leadership skills...this is the same if you're working as manufacturing/process engineer in MNC.....where the operators could be stubborn/arrogant to take engineer's orders).

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post Aug 2 2022, 02:25 PM

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Hard facts, it is a bit difficult if you do not have any connection with that CGPA. Usually below 3.0, the HR will filter them out before reaching the HOD. If you have contact or connection within the industry, get their help to a job. Connection I refer to the professional body for engineers like BEM, IEM, etc..

Once you are employed, ppl will no longer look at the CGPA but more on your working experience. The good engineer, they only need the CGPA for their 1st job. For their subsequent jobs, they don't need to go look for the job but ppl will come looking for them.
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post Aug 2 2022, 03:06 PM

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QUOTE(maximusdecimus @ Aug 2 2022, 12:39 PM)
For replying appropriately to a worthless comment? If that's how you judge attitude, not sure you're good at your job. If you noticed, I replied to everyone else with excellent insight with respect. This dude? Just here to stir shit because he's offended his beloved Chinamen got insulted despite having nothing to say. Respect is a two-way street.
Dude, you're finally starting to say something a bit more worthwhile, yet you still fcked it up. First of all, there's a lot of people who advice not placing the CGPA on the CV. That's exactly what I did. Secondly, that's not something you do "once in a while". That's literally part of the job scope you have to sign off on at made for China factories like this. Thirdly I would advise not jumping to conclusions, because that's more like your "tidak sedar diri attitude". The reason I refused to join this factory in particular is two-fold;

1) The Chinaman was more interested in me being able to toil in hot and humid conditions scraping the bottom of the barrel with the foreign workers (which they're short of) than anything related to engineering. The extent of "engineering" work I will be doing is punching in a few Excel files. No engineering software or knowledge involved. I did an on-site visit as well and I can safely conclude that the only learning involved would be using brute force to open and close machines. You're going to have to dig through century-old books with outdated P&ID diagrams if you're going to want to know anything about the machines.

2) I also read reviews from others who worked there and enquired with people while I was there for the interview. The prognosis is terminal. They don't have a single degree holder working anywhere around the plants. They're safely enjoying the comfort of the A/C office while sipping drinks.

Once again, I'd repeat that I don't care what size of company I'm heading to, or that my starting salary is low, or if they're Melayu/India/ Kadazan/ Orang Asli (do they even have the reputation of Chinamen? lol 🤭). My only requirement is that I apply the knowledge I have gained from my studies as part of my job scope, not do something completely irrelevant and pretend I'm making use of my qualifications. And I don't for a second believe the CGPA is the sole factor like you're saying. Any good company should have other requirements and could also reference my SPM and matriculation results, both of which paint a very different picture of my academic qualifications. I don't enjoy teaching others for lecturer roles, but that's like the only worthwhile advice you gave so thanks I guess.
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Takda ubat all i can say, you are welcome and goodluck

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post Aug 3 2022, 02:23 AM

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QUOTE(maximusdecimus @ Aug 2 2022, 12:46 PM)
What sort of courses would you recommend? I would like to take more courses too. I'd rather not say the name of the uni, but it was pretty bad from the get-go.The final year project I did was a farce because the appointed lecturer was too preoccupied training his master's degree students. Fck that uni
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You are the one studied and graduated in your study. You should know better than me what professional courses are there related to your field.
I have no comment at your lecturer but I always believe that FYP is my baby after my 4 years of study. You are the one who take the initiative instead of waiting for the lecturer to guide you. This apply to your future work too.
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post Aug 3 2022, 08:41 AM

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QUOTE(maximusdecimus @ Aug 2 2022, 12:39 PM)
For replying appropriately to a worthless comment? If that's how you judge attitude, not sure you're good at your job. If you noticed, I replied to everyone else with excellent insight with respect. This dude? Just here to stir shit because he's offended his beloved Chinamen got insulted despite having nothing to say. Respect is a two-way street.
Dude, you're finally starting to say something a bit more worthwhile, yet you still fcked it up. First of all, there's a lot of people who advice not placing the CGPA on the CV. That's exactly what I did. Secondly, that's not something you do "once in a while". That's literally part of the job scope you have to sign off on at made for China factories like this. Thirdly I would advise not jumping to conclusions, because that's more like your "tidak sedar diri attitude". The reason I refused to join this factory in particular is two-fold;

1) The Chinaman was more interested in me being able to toil in hot and humid conditions scraping the bottom of the barrel with the foreign workers (which they're short of) than anything related to engineering. The extent of "engineering" work I will be doing is punching in a few Excel files. No engineering software or knowledge involved. I did an on-site visit as well and I can safely conclude that the only learning involved would be using brute force to open and close machines. You're going to have to dig through century-old books with outdated P&ID diagrams if you're going to want to know anything about the machines.

2) I also read reviews from others who worked there and enquired with people while I was there for the interview. The prognosis is terminal. They don't have a single degree holder working anywhere around the plants. They're safely enjoying the comfort of the A/C office while sipping drinks.

Once again, I'd repeat that I don't care what size of company I'm heading to, or that my starting salary is low, or if they're Melayu/India/ Kadazan/ Orang Asli (do they even have the reputation of Chinamen? lol 🤭). My only requirement is that I apply the knowledge I have gained from my studies as part of my job scope, not do something completely irrelevant and pretend I'm making use of my qualifications. And I don't for a second believe the CGPA is the sole factor like you're saying. Any good company should have other requirements and could also reference my SPM and matriculation results, both of which paint a very different picture of my academic qualifications. I don't enjoy teaching others for lecturer roles, but that's like the only worthwhile advice you gave so thanks I guess.
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If your CGPA is not in your resume, during the job role application, if companies require the CGPA, HR will ask you to fill up the company job application form and request for you to put the CGPA there. Not putting your CGPA can help you in the initial recruiter scanning through or it might backfire and they will skip your resume because certain companies have a minimum CGPA hiring requirement for certain role.

1) I was in your shoes in the past, my first job was at an electronics factory run by a Japanese company. I had a masters in electronics engineering (2nd class upper) from the UK and my first job was to carry the products from one location to another location. That was followed by carrying replacement equipment to replace the ones on the factory line and across to different sites in the huge factory compound and under the sun and also once in a while getting drenched in the rain. The Japanese style is that on Fridays, everyone cleans up the workplace and factory, I see the GM of the department and all of the head engineers cleaning the toilets, pantry, workspace, testing areas and meeting rooms as well. Its all part and parcel of learning. Whilst it was a shock for me initially, the life lessons I learned there were invaluable and helped me to reach where I am today.

2) In any field that you are going to go into, be prepared that whatever you have learned at university you won't be applying at your work. That is the reality of life. Seriously. I went from factory worker to consultant to banking and then to technology. Never did I apply my knowledge of solid state physics and semiconductor which I learned at university and it is more and more prevalent in the workplace. As a hiring manager myself, these days I don't even bother looking at the university or CGPA (I mostly hire senior roles). Its about work experience and attitude that matters.
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post Aug 3 2022, 08:44 AM

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QUOTE(AEROZ @ Aug 1 2022, 11:01 PM)
TS,

You'll face technical difficulty (due to your low CGPA) when you start to work as engineer.
Very low chance to be called for interview too as the typical min CGPA is 3.00 for MNC.

Even if you're hired, you may be offered the lower scale of salary.

You can probably get into process/manufacturing but not R&D/design.

Honestly, I would advise you to try other job option, eg. Sales, insurance, etc.

Reason is I've seen low CGPA engineers struggling in their work, even for those with CGPA of 3.2 and above.
Unless you're really determine to correct/change that, but it'll be an uphill task, including competing with your peers for promotion.

Engineers are expected to be independent, skilled, resourceful and thoughtful in order to assess the risk to ensure no Quality & Safety issues to the product/production (depending on your field).
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Agreed.

Or you can try to join in as a tech, work your way from the bottom. But trust me, it's going to be a challenge.

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post Aug 5 2022, 10:13 AM

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As long as not graduate from Uni of Maya (if you get what I mean) then the chances of getting into normal or good company is there. If you were from Uni of Maya then either you accept whatever job available to gain experience first or further study but not in Uni of Maya. Many employers straight dump the resume if they found the candidates were grad from this uni.
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post Aug 10 2022, 01:46 PM

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Continue working with this current company until u have enough experience to cover the bad CGPA.
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post Aug 11 2022, 10:19 AM

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Question is.

Where did you intern at. Even if you graduated with a low cgpa.
If you had a really good intern experience, it may be a counter point.
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post Aug 15 2022, 08:11 AM

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Any luck entering mnc, ts?

 

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