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post Aug 1 2022, 09:47 AM

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QUOTE(epjx31 @ Jul 23 2022, 05:40 PM)
I would use the same recommended pressure as your stock 185/55R15 tires. Unfortunately as this is an inch up you would need to find the right balance and sometimes it could be tricky. The range of being ok is extremely huge. So as long your tire is not off 5 psi + or - you are safe.
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Good job, TS.

If the Load Index of replacement tyre is the same as the stock/as-is tyre, then similar tyre pressure on both would carry the same load.

However I suspect a replacement R16 is likely to have a higher Load Index than a R15 stock tyre, hence a lower pressure (than stock) in replacement tyre would carry the same designed loads as the stock tyre at stock pressure.

Having said that there is no harm in maintaining similar tyre pressure in a replacement tyre with higher LI, but not vice versa.
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post Aug 1 2022, 09:50 AM

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QUOTE(zoixc @ Jul 24 2022, 03:48 AM)
i been putting one psi higher then stock psi, so far couldn’t feel any difference la.

how to say is the right balance haha
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Not knowing the Load Index of both of your stock and replacement tyres, I think you should be fine and safe.
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post Aug 13 2022, 11:42 AM

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QUOTE(alexei @ Aug 13 2022, 10:48 AM)
Thanks a lot.

My un-educated guess, based mostly on my experience, is that the cracking is wear nature of silica rich compound tyres.
My 2 sen is silica or sand in itself is highly abrasive in material property and hence tire compound with silica can withstand better/stronger from being 'worn down' by the highly abrasive asphalt/pre-mixed road surface .... thus increasing tyre longevity in particular during hard braking.

Besides, silica has a very high hardness property at the expense of brittleness property like a glass ..... easily gets cracked or scratch while preserving the 'mother material' of rubber tyre compound.

The cracks in a typically hardened tyre rubber in operational service over a period of time especially in a Michelin does not normally propagate to the next protective layer (right below the tread rubber compound), hence the structural integrity of hardened and used tyres are still intact offering maximum level of protection as designed or as intended.

Replacement of used tyres (after 3-5 years of usage) on believing it being hardened and/or observing (hairline) cracks on tread compound is imho unfounded and baseless as is commonly practised in lowyat/locally.

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post Aug 27 2022, 09:09 PM

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QUOTE(profdra @ Aug 27 2022, 08:48 PM)
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Hi, may I know is it still safe to use tyres like this ? DOT2018 with good tread depth.

What is the reason for these cracks? Is it because they are seldom used? Since covid mileage about 6k per annum.
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It is safe to continue its service as these hairline cracks are cosmetic and not structural/strength in nature, according to tyre manufacturers.

Cracks is related to hardening of rubber tyre compound with oxidation/sunlight as a catalysts.
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post Aug 29 2022, 01:40 PM

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QUOTE(profdra @ Aug 27 2022, 11:24 PM)
isn't this dry rot which is recommended to replace tyres ?
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I'm not aware tyre manufacturers recommend tyre replacement on the basis of socalled 'dry rot', whose meaning/definition is not spelled out clearly.
In a way, I don't consider the hairline cracks on this 2018 tyre as dry not , as the structural strength of the tyre is not compromised and is intact.
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post Aug 30 2022, 01:27 PM

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QUOTE(profdra @ Aug 29 2022, 01:50 PM)
Its runflat S001 & I asked the car salesman & he said that I should change it & I also asked my regular tyre shop HupSoon in Subang who has been servicing me for more than 10years & he told me better change it. I also asked Hin Leong which I get my tyres from also recommended me to change for long distance driving. I'm a fast driver sometimes up to 180km/hr on long distance.

I'm thinking maybe the cracks are due to not being driven often since the pandemic & still usable. So I came here to get some opinions.

But now that I have a screw puncture about 1cm patched a month ago leaking, what is your opinion?

Thanks.
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Patching of a 1 cm puncture in a normal radial ply tyre is NOT recommended by tyre manufacturers.

Maximum allowable by manufacturers is 0.6 cm though there are owners who got away with it without encountering any problem for punctures exceeding 0.6 cm.

As for run flats, IDK but I suspect the same rule of max allowable 0.6 cm may apply here. In this context patching of 1 cm puncture may not comply with manufacturers recommendation hence replacing the one punctured tyre may make sense whilst retaining the other three.

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post Aug 30 2022, 06:00 PM

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With tyre service being available at our disposal almost 24/7/365 within 50-100 km radius wherever we drives around (especially along west coast of peninsular) the idea of run flats sound stupid imho, let alone its less than appropriate performance , pricings etc.

Besides, tow truck service and Google search service is just a call/search away with a cheapo rm3xx new phone.

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post Sep 6 2022, 11:04 AM

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QUOTE(Vsmh @ Sep 6 2022, 09:33 AM)
Hey TS,

I have a few questions which I hope you can assist with.

Background: Std Saga VVT using stock Silverstone M3 175/70/13 upgraded to PS3 195/50/15.

Issues: experiencing tramlining, higher body roll (likely due to softer side walls?), car isnt as composed when breaking hard either.
Only plus points seems to be grip and rather low noise, whereas with the Silverstones it was opposite (ie: higher noise, lower grip especially in the wet but the rest were fine). What gives?

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Replacing high profile 70R tyres with low profile 50R should rightly be 'promoting' tramlining experience and harsher ride.

At similar tyre pressures, it should help in firmer ride reducing/controlling body roll generally.

Having said that I'm not doubting your actual driving experience or perception, more so if an alignment job was carried out during rims changes as I'd a hunch that the problem is alignment related.

I defer to TS on small sidewall bulge felt by running fingers over it and associated warranty claim in local tyre industry.

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post Sep 7 2022, 06:54 AM

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QUOTE(Vsmh @ Sep 6 2022, 11:38 AM)
2. Alignment
Yes, at first it was an alignment thing (steering felt off, a Proton drove like a Perodua), went to other places and driving experience improved, even on wheel alignment but yeah still about the same.

Should note that the roll seems to be originating from the back which the Saga is kinda known for but it wasnt like this / as pronounced on the smaller tires.  sweat.gif
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The bold suggests that the rear alignment #s of this car is off. Bigger 15" rim size is just a camouflage imho.

In a typical Saga, the rear alignment is easily adjustable IIRC unlike rear torsion beam designs in Peroduas Vios, City etc.

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post Sep 7 2022, 12:50 PM

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QUOTE(mdziaf @ Sep 6 2022, 11:48 PM)
Just to add on to this: there are tolerances for how much indentation is allowed. Although structurally fine and safe, if noticed by the consumer, it will cause undue concerns by the end user - such as what has happened to you Vsmh. Usually these indentation falls under QC issues, and would be grounds for claims. But each manufacturers have different requirements for what is allowed and what is not, so your mileage will vary. You could try to go to a different dealer to see if they would be willing to submit a complaint on your behalf. But if your tires have already been used, don’t expect a 1-to-1 replacement.
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Interesting to note that there are tolerances acceptable in bulge/indentations and its size externally and/or internally(?) by QC .

Care to elaborate more on the QC tolerances in question or better still, if there are online resource on said acceptable tolerances?
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post Sep 9 2022, 06:29 AM

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QUOTE(Vsmh @ Sep 7 2022, 08:44 PM)
Eh, i think saga is also using torsion beam so technically there shouldnt be anything to adjust. Not sure if VVT is the same as older models tho.
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Thank you for clarifying a 'newer' saga vvt has rear torsion beam design, which has no factory adjustment for rear alignment angles.

Yes, older generation saga/wira used to have multi link rear suspension system.
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post Sep 9 2022, 06:43 AM

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QUOTE(BoomerangCircles @ Sep 7 2022, 09:38 PM)
what is the averange max speed for a new tyre to turn a corner without loosing the floor grip?
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Having selected a specific tyre model/material in real life, tyre alignment is more significant and appropriate in dealing with your intended purpose imho besides driving skills.
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post Sep 10 2022, 11:22 PM

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QUOTE(ktek @ Sep 9 2022, 09:30 AM)
saga never get multi link at all since 30 yr ago
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Thanks for the heads up.

You're right. A quick search shows 2008 and up Sagas are rear torsion beam design.

I owned 3 Sagas from 1985 to 1990, IIRC they were all rear multi links but not definite about it.

Any info on rear suspension designs of Sagas from 1991- 2007?

Early Wira's are definitely rear multi link design.

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post Sep 10 2022, 11:35 PM

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Hi yes, 220kpa for cold tires, 250kpa for hot/warm,  same across the board for 13-15" but their sticker is for the following:
175/60/R13
185/60R14
185/55R15
Mine is 195/50/15, wonder if i need to increase?


At similar air pressure, the load capacity of your R15 likely exceeds that tyre sizes on the sticker.

So, you'll never overload and safe.

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I find that some shops dont really know how to do alignment, driving will feel unengaging, steering not stiff enough and they will say ntg to do with alignment, but those that know they can sort it out. So its a bit of a hard time to get a shop that can do it properly....
Do let me know if you have any suggestions.
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The tyre alignment finishing car owners are getting in the market are very mediocre and cin cai imho, including those whose print out (which is rarely given to customers) have numbers within green zones.

I'm also in search of a 'perfectionist' alignment shop. Somebody here did suggest a xxx Hin along Jalan Klang Lama if you're in klang valley, which I'm yet to try him.
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post Sep 10 2022, 11:41 PM

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post Sep 10 2022, 11:52 PM

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QUOTE(ktek @ Sep 10 2022, 11:44 PM)
saga this type. wira correct no problems
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Ohh.... Iswara is pre 2007.
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post Sep 19 2022, 06:14 PM

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QUOTE(Theeban @ Sep 19 2022, 05:32 PM)
How to increase straight line stability?
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By cun cun aligning the 4 wheels in a 'near-perfectionist' wheel alignment shop which is very hard to come by .
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post Sep 20 2022, 10:46 AM

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QUOTE(ktek @ Sep 19 2022, 11:41 PM)
straight line we toe in a bit. very steady line
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You hit right on the head of the nail, my friend.
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post Sep 20 2022, 11:09 AM

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QUOTE(dudester @ Sep 20 2022, 08:56 AM)
A bugging curious question.
My car's recommended pressure is 220kpa for 195/55R16

This is the MINIMUM tyre pressure (at cold always) recommended by car manufacturers (not by tyre manufacturers) specific to the OE tyres AND vehicle models, with some assumptions.

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Most of the time on the move the pressure goes up to 230/240

That's how all tyres behaves ......
hence it's perfectly normal and has been well considered by car manufacturers AND tyre manufacturers in dishing out their respective 'recommendations'.

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What is the OPTIMAL pressure to set? Have it at 'on the move' temperature at 220? or is the car recommended pressure taking consideration to run OPTIMAL when it goes up ?
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Recommended tyre pressures (at 220 kpa in this case) by manufacturers is always at COLD, of the day or seasons (for gwailos).

Kind of 'ignore' operating tyre pressures in a discussion on 'recommended tyre pressures' per se, for clarity of mind.

MAXIMUM recommended tyre pressure is ALWAYS embossed on the tyre sidewall as a requirement in the industry. It is typically 51 psi (350 kpa) for most or all passenger cars here.

Optimum is anything in between Minimum and Maximum, philosophically to suit varying application scenarios and individua preferences.

In my Avanza the Optimum tyre pressure (to me) is 5-10 psi HIGHER than Toyota recommendation.
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post Jan 25 2023, 08:26 AM

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QUOTE(raulxiver @ Jan 23 2023, 10:40 PM)
Is this true? New tire perform best after 1 year from manufacturing date, as its chemicals take time to stabilized ?

Tire is not food, not the fresher the better!

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/tire-food-mo...etter-rina-liu/
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True.
I prefer 'older' new tyre, not fresh tyre when new.
Unfortunately it is hard to come by in KL.

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