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stormer.lyn
post Jul 19 2022, 02:17 PM

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QUOTE(subaiku @ Jul 18 2022, 04:43 PM)
Only the middle one, Maxguard, is the correct specifications for a water heater at a sensitivity of 10 mA or 0.01 A
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post Jul 20 2022, 01:36 PM

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QUOTE(subaiku @ Jul 20 2022, 10:49 AM)
Ah thanks! What do you think about this brand? Recommended by the electrician...

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Sorry, never used before. There's something you must realise which unfortunately is this: Contractors don't recommend something based on your best interest. They recommend something because it is easy to purchase, or that is what they have in stock, or it has a large profit margin, etc.

You also cannot trust something simply because it has a SIRIM sticker. You must get something that has a SIRIM sticker that has passed electrical specifications. A company could very well get a SIRIM sticker on the claimed weight of the item.

That being said, if funds are limited, then go for Maxguard, EPS or Himel branded RCBO with these specs : 20 A overcurrent, 10 mA trip. All have SIRIM and are JKR approved*, meaning they have at least been electrically tested by someone independently. If you go for an RCCB instead of RCBO, then get 25 A, 10 mA trip. The 25A is because there will be an additional MCB for the water heater. NOTE: these specs are if your WH is below, say, 4500 W, which it probably is. Please review if the WH happens to be above this wattage.

I can tell you that the store "Combi Electric" online delivers very fast, and price is fair. Now, saying that "Contractors don't recommend something based on your best interest" why should you trust me? I have absolutely no connection to the store just stated, I am not making money off you, and I am only recommending this based on your safety, because I can't get anything else from you!

Disclaimer: * last time I checked
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post Jul 21 2022, 09:39 AM

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QUOTE(Selene Yeo @ Jul 20 2022, 04:36 PM)
If it is a storage water heater, then FYI storage water heaters do not have a built-in circuit breaker like instant water heaters. So they have to rely on the DB box circuit breaker. BUT if your storage water heater is not grounded / no earth connection, no matter how good quality your circuit breaker is, the circuit breaker will not trip when there is a current leakage, and u will be electrocuted.
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This is the reason a 10 mA RCCB/RCBO is specified for water heaters, either instant or storage, whether your heater is Grounded/Earthed or not. You become the Ground/Earth point, and the RCCB/RCBO trips before a fatal current electrocutes you.
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Isolation Barriers are simple devices that elongate any current flow from the storage water heater to users, so any current flow (if there is) will barely reach the users....
As for this, you should absolutely also use isolation barriers (basically, a section of non-conductive pipe to break the path of the hot water copper pipe), or use PP-R or PB pipes for hot water.

ElectroBOOM shows the effects of even a small gap of water on electrical conductivity on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcrY59nGxBg&t=93s
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post Jul 21 2022, 02:37 PM

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QUOTE(Kiding @ Jul 21 2022, 12:30 PM)
Water heater safety guides  from the electrical and electronics association of Malaysia

https://www.st.gov.my/en/contents/presentat...-%20Updated.pdf
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Sorry to be a bit pedantic, but I have to point out...
ST = Suruhanjaya Tenaga = Energy Commission = can make rules that must be followed
electrical and electronics association of Malaysia = guidelines, no legal standing
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post Aug 12 2022, 09:08 PM

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QUOTE(davidlow7 @ Aug 11 2022, 02:10 PM)
Bear in mind, you should in fact ensure your steel roof/steel-type awnings are grounded as well (a green wire to connect to your DB busbar directly) for safety - otherwise ((when there is a leak) anyone who climbs the roof to fix/repair something might get electrocuted to death since your lighting/fan RCCB sensitivity is only at 100mA. This also ST requirement actually.
It would be a miracle if people who install awning at his house would get an electrician to help pull a green wire connect to your earth busbar, whilst the awning are fitted with wired lamps/fans.
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Are you saying ST lowest RCCB sensitivity for lights and fans is 100 mA, or are you saying ST requires metal awnings and metal roofs to be electrically grounded? The former is true, but I have never read the latter. Could you please cite a source if you mean the latter?
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post Aug 13 2022, 08:35 AM

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QUOTE(davidlow7 @ Aug 12 2022, 10:10 PM)
Thanks! Most appreciated!

Looks like ST has finally published an updated guidebook (Dated 1st December 2021) covering a lot more information. Lampiran III and V are particularly important (Pages 59 and 61) as it covers the current carrying capacity of wires, and is way more conservative than any manufacturer tables. From the ST table, 2.5 mm² cables no longer are a 20 A MCB circuit....

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