So i think some of you heard the news that Celcom and Digi had mearge
So what your opinion about it?
Once merge it will be less competion and less choice for users also

5G era soon.
You can choose
(1) Digi-Celcom
(2) Maxis
(3) U Mobile
(4) TM Unifi Mobile
(5) YTL Communications
etc.

They are almost equal under DNB.

all under DNB

1 telco 5G problem, all telco maybe affected if problem from DNB

hopefully Digi will maintain great price plan
after 1-2 years will merged 1 brand only?
then will be more port out to hotlink

This post has been edited by JohnnyWKY: Jun 30 2022, 11:59 AM

well unless is different entity

All we need in Malaysia is just 3 to 4 telcos with quality services and pricing, not like having a lot of MNOs/MVNOs with poor service that doesn't really benefit the consumer.
I think, let the merger happen, then if Celcom-Digi cannot perform, eventually their users will switch to all the other providers. It will average out eventually.

This post has been edited by YoungMan: Jun 30 2022, 12:22 PM

Things may change next year...

the price they have to pay for merger to happen is

1. 70mhz of spectrum have to be given back to mcmc (mcmc will reassign to another new company maybe) including ALL 2600 spectrum they hold (40mhz) (they also rent spectrum from ALTEL and moving forward can only use rented 2600 spectrum)

2. MVNO renting have to be spin off under the subsidiary of the new merged company and subject to stricter regulations (this affects tune talk, XOX, redONE etc but such business will go on)

3. yoodo have to be either spin off into seperate entity, sold off or to be close down


moving forward the case will be similar to UK EE (was merger of T mobile and Orange UK operation) in which new company name will be decided while digi and celcom branding will continue for a while (maybe 2-3 years) before eventually merge of operation

2600Mhz is an important freq band, without such band they are hard to provide high speed 4G LTE.....

https://soyacincau.com/2022/06/29/mcmc-appr...to-be-divested/

after given back some of spectrum, that how much left

30mhz 900mhz (2G+4G)
70mhz 1800mhz (2G+4G)
50mhz 2100mhz (4G*)

*originally 3G before fully refarm into 4G

will be total of 150mhz they will hold, plus they also rented total 40mhz 2600mhz from ALTEL

this will still be dominant in term of network capabilities

When the both Celcom+Digi finally merged, what will be the core network/PLMN they will be using?

I think it should be from Digi (50216) rather than Celcom's (50219) as Digi 's network has the best and widest device support among both telco in terms on VOLTE and VoWiFi.

It will be crazy for the merged company to uses Celcom's core network with minimum device support in terms of VoLTE/VoWiFi, since Celcom is lagging on activating both VoLTE and VoWiFi.

It will be Possible to see 5CA or even 6CA from the merged Celcom/Digi network, this is if they decide to rent from Altel.

15MHz (B8) + 20MHz (B3) +15MHz (B3) + 15MHz (B1) + 10MHz (B1) + 20MHz (B7, Altel spectrum)

The Band 1 part can be changed into 20MHz +5MHz though
Band 3 will become their main capacity band while Band 8 will be the coverage band with faster speeds.
This is if they decide that 2G and 4G will coexist

Theoretically Gigabit 4G speeds will be possible within the merged network, when they uses 256QAM + 4X4 MIMO, much faster with 8X8 MIMO (Celcom is using that on some sites.) It will be lesser though due to the type of device, network coverage, network congestion and the plan speed one are subscribing. Real life speeds should be possible to rival DNB 5G, with speeds of few hundred Mbps (on 4G) on flagship devices and on a full speed data plan.

This post has been edited by shaun_kok: Jun 30 2022, 03:15 PM

VSS inkambing

Will keep my DiGi plan and MNP out from Celcom to others. Definitely no Maxis.

They have to create a new MVNO unit though, redeploy some workers in the new unit
Even that VSS may not be avoided

no doubt there will be casualties, is either announce or senyap senyap...

theoretically
2G b8 and b3, (*can use DSS tech to dynamic share with 2G as suggested by someone here)

2G: 10mhz (2x5) 900 (b8) + 10mhz (2x5) 1800 (b3) DSS example in [ s ]

4G: 30mhz (2x10 + 2x5) 900 (b8*) (for LTE, max 10mhz width for lowband) + 70mhz (2x20 + 2x15) 1800 (b3*) + 50mhz (40MHZ USEABLE because of additional 10mhz is TDD block (2x20 + 2x5) 2100 (b1)

alongside ALTEL 2x20 2600 b7

total can do up to 6CA and 12 spatial streams (5CA or 10SS without ALTEL) enough for LTE GIGABIT（lol)

This post has been edited by MyProLife: Jul 4 2022, 12:43 AM

2G and 4G can coexist within the spectrum, there is technology for that.
I have seen Digi using all the available spectrum for 4G 4CA mode.

Or they can just use 900MHz for 2G coverage, with 1800MHz used for high traffic areas. 2G usage is declining, serving as a fallback network for voice calls to devices without VoLTE/usage for phones that support only 2G, and there is no need to allocate too much spectrum for that.

The most important is still VoLTE/VoWiFi though, which I speculate they will be using Digi's Core network with best of coverage from both networks.

I believe so, Digi will dynamically assign spectrum to 2G from 4G if needed

vote pakatan kucing for better mobile service!

Isn't it Altel a MVNO?
2.If MVNO spin off then which MNO they will join?

This post has been edited by ezekieldavidchong: Jun 30 2022, 04:38 PM

ALTEL currently is MVNO however also holds 2600 and 900 spectrum

currently ALTEL having the spectrum sharing with Celcom and DIGI, this is because ALTEL at the start only able to obtain 2600 which is not enough for being full telco without indoor coverage

it wasnt until 2021 when ALTEL also given award of 900 spectrum for indoor coverage, however is too late for them

2. is the MVNO management division that give the infra usage rights for MVNOs. Will be stay as subsidiary of celcom-digi merged entity

I thought altel is in the alibaba untung atas angin license renting business lol. They've got their own prepaid plan and all, but it seems like just smoke and mirror for the more profitable renting spectrum to celcom and digi. Not even sure if they're using the 900mhz one anywhere.

if celcom digi merge then tunetalk how? CB liao?

Giving spectrum to other new company will result on what Altel has done, making rental to other providers.

It is better that the spectrum is assigned to the other 4 telcos (Maxis, U Mobile, TM, Yes) with stricter requirements to improve communication quality rather giving to some newcomers, letting it wasted. But who knows, this is MCMC which has known to give Altel spectrum to waste.

This post has been edited by shaun_kok: Jun 30 2022, 09:03 PM

Tunetalk will still exist, possibly under a different structure than what they have now

The article only mentioned they have to divest/close down Yoodo

Thats because yoodo is directly under celcom. It is a celcom subsidiary. "real" mvno like tunetalk, xox, redone, tonewow, toneplus isn't related to celcom and digi, company wise. They're only renting access to both network whereas yoodo is celcom, employees paid by celcom. Weird thing here is digi tapp, i though tapp is similar to yoodo, like a digi subsidiary. Strange that only yoodo is mentioned because its connection to celcom but not tapp for its connection with digi.

Maybe because Digi didn't actively promoting tapp like what Celcom do with Yoodo.

Tapp technically still under beta testing, digi can stop it anytime


Yoodo is heavily promoted by celcom, already having some significant user base, it is kinda one of the profit making digital unit alongside Boost wallet

That's why yoodo is requested to be spin off while tapp still fall far under the radar forever until destined to be shutdown by itself

With all mvno spin off all 3 giants will survive

Faster buy XOX validity period for RM25/year. Later they cancel pula due to rising cost of renting

Don't spread fake news...

All still there except Yodoo...

Maybe possible...
The offering is not good later on...
No cheap plans...

Malaysia now has 9 telcos, that already alot of competitions, and you see all telco profit downhill continuously for 3-4 years so merger is imminent. Now all telco cant launch 5G and force by gov to feed DNB cash lot of money every year … sooner or later will go bankrupt …
We back to use fixed telephone line soon …

Digi needs to return all their spectrum to MCMC so all users will connect under Celcom spectrum resources only. Will congest to hell …

that a [tot] idea

close digi highway and move digi highway user to celcom highway

Huh?
Like that really crazy...
Not both company spectrum combination.... Which much better 👍

Already stated in the mcmc doc that they will need to return spectrums within 3 years. Mcmc will pro rate payback Digi for the spectrum they paid to Mcmc.

Question is who Mcmc will give the spectrum to?

Likely to some new no experience telco registered in SSM last week.

why not the other way round. I like digi coverage now

I think is the same eventually all Digi Celcom users will be under one network. Quality will drop, people will leave to competitors then cause all the service of all telco will somehow be lower …

damn mcmc is dumb then the re-harvested spectrum just give some unknown player that nobody use and make this worse. or digi-celcom will rent the spectrum from new awardedplayer

That is the culture here.

The top 3 parasites in telco industry are Asiaspace, Altel and Redtone.

Asiaspace get spectrum for decade did nothing but to rent to other telcos for instant profit - if not mistaken to YES

Altel gets largest share of LTE spectrum, did nothing and rent to other telcos for instant profit - if not mistaken to Celcom

Redtone also the same - if not mistaken to Maxis

These 3 politicial linked company get spectrums for FREE then rent to others for profit. Big 6 telcos are financing them under MCMC watch. If in other countries, their spectrums would be collected back and sold to the more deserving telcos and likely price can drop further.

The service quality for the merge entity sure confirm sucks....
Seriously... Don't know what MCMC thinking.... Bigger pool of customers but smaller spectrum allocated?.....

source about this? seriously this is not good if true

soyacincao says only part of the spectrum, and only will happens within 2-3 years AFTER deal close. if it is true that digi return all then this is not practical at all as well because such spectrum are just 2g and 4g , and DNB will not get such spectrum as it is focus on 5g infra. which telco will get? dont tell me altel will get such and rent such lol

This post has been edited by MyProLife: Jul 2 2022, 03:10 PM

70 out of 105 Mhz need to be returned over 2-3 yrs which are all the primary 4G LTE bands used by Digi. Remaining are for 2G.

This post has been edited by p4n6: Jul 2 2022, 03:54 PM

For 2600, 40mhz are both held by digi and celcom of 20mhz respectively

Yeah for 1800 and 2100, just partially

You might read wrongly or assuming wrongly though

As mentioned in the article, the most likely spectrum to be given back first is 1800 b3 (within 2 years of closing)

1800 b3 of 10mhz can be given to U mobile as soon as that happens


Other two bands, 2100 likely will be retender entirely (as 3g shutdown cause 5mhz surplus being unused from each 4 carriers) and 40mhz 2600 likely will be given to someone else (hopefully not that altel again, but potentially can be given to DNB for N7 5G band to complement 3500 and 700 and possibly mmwave)

LTE bands should be given to operators with LTE with existing infra to use it right away - UM, Maxis, Celcom=Digi (reevaluate).
DNB shall be only using their own spectrum now, giving them new spectrum means they will need more billion (on top of their current 12B commitment over 10 years) to deploy additional antenna and infra. It is not wise to spend to invest on LTE infra for DNB.

The samw 4g spectrum can also be used for 5g

But since DNB goes with SWN, other telcos can use it as 4g ONLY (cannot launch 5g themselves)

If DNB get mid band 2600 as 5g band, for me still acceptable

Because 700mhz as 5g band will be not quite as fast, while 3500 is new band with poorer indoor coverage and required new transmitter for base tower. If DNB can use such transmitter for 3 bands as comprehensive 5g coverage then i can accept SWN model

1800,2100 can be either for 4g or get refarm as 5g, but i prefer stay for 4g in case many people still using 4g only phones

This post has been edited by MyProLife: Jul 3 2022, 04:59 PM

another solutions for 2600 if they go with p3n6 suggestion instead of just give to DNB or useless renter

20mhz give to U mobile (u mobile currently having less spectrum holding)
another 20mhz give to TM unifi (unifi currently rented some celcom 2600 for some indoor locations)
so both of them originally only having 20mhz because not sharing with someone else can also expand their 2600 to 40mhz. the most fair way for LTE bands to still give better experience in line with Jendela goals

For B1 2100, just give 10mhz to maxis and u mobile respectively
CD 50 (40 usable), Mx 45 (40 usable), Um 45 (40 usable), so 2100 usable spectrum can be equally assigned to 3 big telcos of future
(i now realised that 2100 actually contain total 20mhz of TDD block that remain unused for 5mhz of each carriers)

from those drama actually observe the one of main reasons why LTE so "suck" or something. MCMC give spectrum to too much players, some smaller players which failed to build their own infra proceed to share with bigger players instead. cause so much wastage on spectrum and inefficacies in spectrum usage cause 4g speed and coverage no up to par in some places

This post has been edited by MyProLife: Jul 4 2022, 12:35 AM

tapp is ending. digi gonna absorb the users.

All the MVNO will close shop already

not superb, if it goes down to a duopoly with them and maxis.

i saw some news in canada, they also have something like how one company held like 35% of the market, so when their services went down. like a third of the country had no internet, cell or landline services for like the whole day or some.

like that would big succ. XD

........ and positioning the two telco’s prepaid and postpaid services under a single brand within two years.

https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...om-digi-merger/

Because?

Of the merger of Celcom+Digi?

More like saturated market...
So they also might go merger among themselves...
Become one big MVNO