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Ramjade
post Jun 22 2022, 04:38 PM

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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Jun 22 2022, 02:43 PM)
RM told me about this Callable Islamic Range Accrual (CIRA)

Capital guaranteed if hold 5 years
Get 5.5% as long as Klibor doesnt shoot beyond limit
Paid 3 monthly
Min RM65k only
Closing date Friday 24.6.22

Good deal if Klibor unlikely to shoot beyond those limits
What do you think?
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Bro, mapletree logistics and Frasers logistics are yielding around that much. I rather go with them than this bank product.

You want debt free stuff for safer risk, trig plc and hicl plc I believed they have no debt. 5%p.a with increment of around 2% yearly.

You are earning 5.5% in SGD Vs in RM and 5% in GBP Vs RM. Big difference.

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Ramjade
post Jun 23 2022, 12:39 AM

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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Jun 22 2022, 08:35 PM)
since it seems past many yrs  Klibor never exceed 4 %
like a good bet it seems.
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Don't bet KLIBOR cannot go up. Why? US increasing interest rate like crazy so Malaysia will follow. They cannot just ignore US interest or else RM will become like shit. Although it is already shit.

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post Jun 23 2022, 10:38 AM

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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Jun 23 2022, 02:16 AM)
3 more Central bank meetings this year, she confidently said total increase OPR max 0.25 each time, max 0.75,
so max OPR can go this year is 2.75, 
Klibor likely 3.1-3.2 still within limits

She made further prediction next year also OPR would increase little 0.2 max x 3= 0.6
--->OPR3.36, 
Klibor  3.7,
i may lose  1 quarter interest in May 2023,
in July  New Klibor limit 4.05 sets in, again i should get  paid 5.5%

then CIMB cant tahan paying 5.5%, likely call back

Ismail Sabri dared not increase OPR too much, rakyat suffering, loan expensive business  will collapse

she sounded so confident i hantam lah. ggod thing about this is i collect interest 3 monthly
and it is prorated from Central bank meeting date, calculated  daily basis
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I am not talking now. You said product is 5 years long. I am saying klibor can go up to 5% in 5y time.
Ramjade
post Jun 24 2022, 03:26 PM

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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Jun 24 2022, 09:47 AM)
yeah  5yrs is long,  we take risk  everyday, but wont die lah this one
Any idea why her graph showed past 15 yrs Klibor not  reaching 5%?no inflation kah ?
US OPR not high meh those years?
my typo mistake, she was quite meticulous and thorough
i have other RMs so pushy i avoided out right
this one good, can see one.
even  lend me RM20k today for my shortfall miscalculating  KDI withdrawals..

end of day she make hers, i want to make mine, same same.
dont understand  your 5yrs time---worth 20% of  RM500k meaning?can depreciate RM100 k, so much?
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US inflation have always been low. Only start last year have it bene high cause of massive printing. The last time inflation was this high in the US, it's like 30 years ago.
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post Jun 30 2024, 09:29 PM

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QUOTE(kenshi13 @ Jun 30 2024, 08:24 PM)
hi any views regarding this investment product given that market view now is there will be multiple rate cuts in the coming 1-2 years meaning klibor shld drop too hence chances of hitting above the mark set will be slimmer and bank will be a loser if keep issuing this product? so does this mean bank is likely to call n stop the product ?  unless usa inflation bak again n rate continue hike then buyer of such products will lose..thanks..
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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Jun 30 2024, 09:04 PM)
current klibor 3.59
upper limit if only 4.0 is too close for comfort
my CIRA was better upper limit  higher
but you cant win the bank
My CIRA called back already..sigh..

yet RM kept bombarding me with their new tranches.
the rate is getting lower and lower, but klibor upper limit remain.

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That's why I hold bank shares instead of all this nonsense thing. 5-6%p.a until infinity and increasing yearly too.
Ramjade
post Jul 1 2024, 01:34 AM

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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Jun 30 2024, 11:18 PM)
bro you are too fixated in your own investment
till all others have become nonsense now..
i guess deep inside you wonder why so stupid
people  put money in FD, ASM, EPF ...

can see for you only targeted return matters
other things not important people's risk tolerance etc
if not........you wont say
why go  buy bank capital guaranteed product might as well follow me go buy bank shares
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Bro, I don't need capital guaranteed. There is a trick to make bank shares capital guaranteed. This one I learned from financial bloggers in sg. The trick is buy when it's low. The lower you can get, likely more capital guaranteed (proven by few Singaporean bloggers who hold the banks for donkey years). Some bought DBS when it was like 18. Now it's 35. Second trick is hold for donkey years until your hair turn white.

Of course US market easier to have capital protection for shares Vs Singapore side. Done that don't know how many times in US already. I have lots of shares in US that are basically free hold already. Already get back my original capital and more.

And you won't be at bank mercy and terms and conditions want to pay, don't want to pay. You know every quarter or half yearly the banks will pay you. Why? Temasek also want payment from DBS. If your boss wants payment, sure you need to find a way to pay your boss right?

For me I take care of both upside and downside. When you take care of downside your upside will be taken care of more or less automatically. Return is important so is not losing money.

I am not a text book guy. I found out that text book method only serve the banks and make them richer. Textbook finances don't work for me. Of course if you want capital guaranteed in black and white then no choice need to be slave to the bank and follow their rules (which make sure the bank always win).

For me, I keep things simple. The less terms and conditions, the better the product for me.

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post Jul 1 2024, 12:59 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jul 1 2024, 09:27 AM)
2 years has passed.
If bought MLT and FLT at the time as your suggestion.
This structured product currently has a better return at the moment.

MLT was around 1.6x at time your posting
FLT was around 1.3x
Even collected 2 years dividend of MLT and FLT + SGD appreciation from 3.20 to current 3.48.
Both investment on MLT and FLT are losing out to a 11% of capital protected product.
MLT current price around 1.30
FLT around 0.95
Not mean to criticise, it was indeed a good suggestion based on interest rate environment at that time.
But things have changed due to interest rate hike afterwards.

From 2 years ago, suggestion changed from reit to bank shares....just indicated things can change over the time, due to unpredicted issues.

Fundamentally, there is no definitely right or wrong in investment.
Don't need to belittle other product, every product has its own merit and con, and serve different market segment needs and individual risk appetite. 
This product is never a competitor to equities investment to start with, but a tool hedging on for die hard FD ers.

That's why we won't go to FD thread to say FD is worst, little return, eaten by inflation etc, should investing in xyz for better return, because FD has its purpose even it has the worst return.
Same with EPF, and many other products, you don't go to every thread to say ABC banks shares investment is bestest, others are nonsense. Because every product has its own purpose and intend and serve different individual needs.

We can't chase every penny out there. Even abc is the alpha investment, we also need to park some money in FD that has poor return. We can't say put in FD is silly as we don't know how future is unfolding.
Also, asset diversification may needed by some as their financial management and FD, structured product even insurance may part of their financial management.
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Thanks. Actually I hold zero reits now. Once I realise that increment of negative-2%p.a for dividend and you will become the ATM to the reits somewhere down the road, not for me. Even if interest rates goes down to zero again (which it won't), I won't have any reits in my portfolio. I will not become an ATM machine.

I have restructured my portfolio now so that regardless of interest rate, I will be paid and every year they will increase their payment to me with minimum of 10%p.a.increment. My US, EU stocks payout ratio all less than 50%. Some payout like 20% only. Very sustainable going forward.

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post Jul 2 2024, 03:08 PM

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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Jul 1 2024, 05:37 PM)
bro
i dont think you get the message.

if you cant see it by now
here , dont go to every other thread patronizing others
the superiority of your method.
That's why we won't go to FD thread to say FD is worst, little return, eaten by inflation etc, should investing in xyz for better return, because FD has its purpose even it has the worst return.
Same with EPF, and many other products, you don't go to every thread to say ABC banks shares investment is bestest, others are nonsense
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Because every product has its own purpose and intend and serve different individual needs.
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Bro, that's why you don't see me in FDs or FSM anymore. I don't bother about them anymore.

My FSM is only for PRS and EPF investment.

For EPF, I see people put in 100k into EPF make me sad to bo honest.
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post Jul 2 2024, 06:25 PM

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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Jul 2 2024, 06:07 PM)
you must remember no matter how much homework you did
you cant be sure  that  must be right
so take a step back and
start to realise others have their own ways
not everyone must follow your method
in fact many have gone far  beyond  your stage of earning

FD ASM EPF etc is here to stay
no matter how sad you be

point is
if you have not over-stepped your boundary
why would cheroy lecture you above?
and liked by  many others.
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True. Different strokes for different people. For me, I optimise my finances where possible. FD, ASM, EPF is not making money working more efficiently for me.

 

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