Anyone interested in this upcoming model? I wonder if MForce have any plans to bring this in. As it is, they have started with the ADV bikes already plus the naked version of this bike. They have also brought in and started selling Moto Morini...but there is little news about this, the Benelli 600 sport bike or QJ SRG600 (whichever name suits your fancy).

https://auto.hindustantimes.com/auto/two-wh...obox=1655262405

What's your thoughts on China made bikes? And those with collaborations with Euro brands?

Would this be better if branded QJ or Benelli in Malaysia?

Do you expect a lower price than the Japanese bikes in the same range? If yes, by how much?

This post has been edited by lowpro: Jun 17 2022, 09:06 AM


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Im interested in the Inline 4 SRK 600 and also the upcoming CFmoto 450SR...

Funny you should mention the 450SR. I have the same exact thoughts! Depending on the price, I might consider taking one of these as I already have a naked bike...

I screenshot this one too,

so will have history on what you want to get.

Don't forget the China Harley in the Cruiser thread as well!

TNT600 with fairing.

Had a TNT600 as a daily driver for a few years. Had no issues. Could see that they've come a long way to catch up in most areas.... except weight. For a 600cc naked, it was a rather porky little bastard and this is where you kind of feel that they haven't quite reached the same level as the Japs who would outcompete each other shaving milimeters and grams here and there all over the bike.

This struggle with weight control can be seen in QJ's ADV attempts starting with the TRK502, asking 46 horses to haul some 235kg of bike.

The new ADV is not based on the 600cc engine, but the 270-deg crank 2-cylinder lump of the 752S. I hear it's heavier still, but at least there's more power to haul ass. So if you're OK with handling R1200GS-class weight, then go for it.

Between the Honda CBR650R and the SRG600

Engine capacity
CBR650R = 549cc
SRG600 = 600cc ?

Weight
CBR650R = 206kg
SRG600 = 213kg

Power
CBR650R = 95bhp
SRG600 = 86bhp

Torque
CBR650R = 63Nm
SRG600 = 56Nm

Seat height
CBR650R = 810mm
SRG600 = 800mm

Then there are the other important questions of price, service centres, spare part prices etc... and to a certain extent (though not for me) fuel economy.

This post has been edited by lowpro: Jun 22 2022, 01:00 PM

Anyone has insider info with the importers on this model? Any idea if coming in?

https://pandulaju.com.my/qjmotor-naik-taraf...lebih-berkuasa/

Benelli and QJ Motor are both under the same company why need to put different brand

Because people shy away when they hear Qian Jiang motor, the name just doesn't appeal outside of China market.

Looking at current Benelli lineup I think mostly just QJ rebadge except the leoncino

And probably the imperiale too. Brand power is important when they want to do export.

I saw 1st gen TNT600 pass by in red and gold rim with free flow exhaust.. still a good-looking bike for your Taman area or commuting.. but just don't bring it to Karak these days.. Polis, JPJ, JAS with Anthony will be looking for you guys...

I really like TNT600 design that put dual exhaust above the rear tire.. looks like SRK600 ditched that design. Too bad

That 450SR sure looks interesting. 49hp and 168kg curb weight. Looks good though.

Only problem is price @29k. Puts it up there with the older 650GT
with only a few K price difference but u get a more torquey engine and better touring potential with standard shad panniers and a more relaxed riding position.

This post has been edited by jaycee1: Dec 30 2022, 04:16 PM

Looks like they have upgraded the SRK 600 model with brembo brakes now?

Wonder if they gonna bring this one in malaysia, think this headlight look prettier

I am ignoring all motorcycles distributed in Malaysia by M Force, am I alone on this?

Dont think you are alone.. they certainly need to build up their reputation

It's not that.

The problem lies with the absurd amount of new models churned out every year, and M Force holding to so many brands.

Can they or do they have the resources to keep parts and service them?

I figure it needs a few more years to see how MForce and it's dealers performs. Looks like you would probably be on your own to source parts. Even proton has trouble with spares... What more M Force.

Tempting bikes. Just not that much confidence with MForce.

Good to know, I thought I have missed out something

The rest of so-called "Mforce" dealerships only do regular oil changes.. for more serious troubleshooting need to bring to Mforce shop either in Jawi or Segambut if in Klang valley.

Even spoke with head of mechanic in Segambut service center, they said its 99 models + already, and they lost track on what new coming.. so buy China bike brought in by Mforce you need to prepare for DIY.

Yeah that's the thing about M Force bikes. Certainly have to DIY. While that in itself is not a deal breaker, as bikes are easy to work on, but parts definitely have to be sourced yourself, and more serious electronic gremlins will still need to be sorted out with M Force.

How on earth they can keep that many models stocked with parts is a certain impossibility. Proton has 3 Chinese models and they have problems already.

Like I said, the bikes itself is mighty temping with the price points they are coming in at, and you can see massive improvements every time a new model is launched.QJ/CF Moto is certainly on the right track. Won't take them long to catch up and they are certainly not shy to blanket every segment with bikes. Good for consumers.

yeah true I do think QJ Motor and CFMoto are getting better in terms of their quality and builds
American reviewers also have start praising CFMoto

the only issue here is in this country they are being handled by Mforce

Apparenly, GS Cycle now has the OBD tool to deal with error codes and sensor-related issues.

Mforce the winner again..!!

MBP moto.. to launch at kL bike show..

What have they won? The most bike launching in Malaysia?

what does Mforce Won again ??

win liao cos keep pushing china bikes...
the term " no market " " baik beli " doesnt apply ! LoL

lai geng baik beli..!



upgraded version, price in CN



This post has been edited by basilisk: Aug 22 2023, 04:07 PM

Wonder how much cheaper it will be than the CBR650R and how different is the price from the ZX25R

Hi, is anyone owner of QJmoto SRV250 here ? if yes how the handle feeling for it, is it ok or worth the price ?

Updated
Prices
QJ SRK600RC RM39,888
ZX35R RM33,900
CBR650R RM45,499
SV650 RM37,989
Ninja 650 RM35,200

Data
QJ 80hp @ 11,000rpm, 51Nm @ 10,500rpm
Modenas 51hp @ 15,500rpm, 22.9Nm @ 14,500rpm
Honda 93.8hp @ 12,000rpm, 64Nm @ 8,500rpm
Suzuki 73hp @ 8,500rpm, 64Nm @ 6,800rpm
Modenas 650 67hp @ 8,000rpm, 64Nm @ 6,700rpm

This post has been edited by lowpro: Aug 28 2023, 08:44 AM

It's a pity the SRK 600 RC is so heavy...wonder if anyone here has bought one or even test ridden one yet...

Just by the specs alone, 51NM is quite weak...and you need to spin the engine up to 10k to get it. And given the dry weight of 229kg, it's damn bloody heavy. Not sure if MForce messed up and quoted wet weight as dry weight. If dry is 229, wet weight with 90% fuel will be 245kg. That's heavier than the new 1300GS.

Even the CBR650R is not well know for big midrange torque typical of medium displacement 4cyc ..but still has 64nm.

This is why middle weight bikes are going with twins. The 3k more expensive but much lighter 800NK (by 40kg) has 30nm more torque way lower in the RPM range. Don't need an expert to tell you which is the better buy.

Actually, the 4 cylinders platform on the SRK600 is a proven platform that has been on sale for quite some time, it's known to be one of the most reliable machines by QJMotor, the only disadvantage being very heavy.

800NK is really just a replica of the KTM 790... when KTM isn't even known for reliability, you can kinda expect what are you getting yourself into when a Chinese maker copied their motor, although CFMOTO should be the leading Chinese manufacturer now.

true its based on the tnt600, but still after 2 decades still no weight improvement?

on this video https://youtu.be/nOymgyRSx0Q?si=mD4fumulPdEchl1Q they had a weighting test for the srk600rr. with fuel filled to the brim, it weights at 233kg.

That's really heavy! I think if we're in the market for a full fairing bike, the new Daytona 660 (this is surely coming but you might need to pay for the branding) or the upcoming GSX 8R (not sure in Malaysia though) might be better options.

Yup, maybe the next generation of this bike will be lighter. They are gonna have domestic competition soon in the form of the CFMoto 4 cyl 500cc and the 3 cyl 675cc bikes and they really need to up their game if they don't want to lose out. On top of that, there are many other full fairing 650-660 bikes out there for a share for the pie as well.

looking at torque numbers in the Nm unit, for example 51Nm, it tells me this engine is more like a ~500cc mill

then, look at the peak torque rpm, will give an idea if it's commuter friendly or not

then, the hp, and peak rpm to see how wide the powerband is, do i need to drop gear everytime, or just pulas and go

Data - rpm at 6th gear at 110kph
QJ 80hp @ 11,000rpm, 51Nm @ 10,500rpm - ???
Modenas 51hp @ 15,500rpm, 22.9Nm @ 14,500rpm - 10300 rpm (~77% torque on standby)
Honda 93.8hp @ 12,000rpm, 64Nm @ 8,500rpm - 5300 rpm (~88% torque on standby)
Suzuki 73hp @ 8,500rpm, 64Nm @ 6,800rpm - 5100 rpm (~87% torque on standby)
Modenas 650 67hp @ 8,000rpm, 64Nm @ 6,700rpm - 5150 rpm (~86% torque on standby)

This post has been edited by alexei: Jan 24 2024, 10:12 AM

That's correct

You really have to look at the powerband to see how useful it is on the street.



For example this is the powerband for a commuter friendly kawazaki 650 twin. Notice the very flat blue torque curve that comes on strong from 3500rpm to 7500rpm making it a very very responsive in town and you don't need to be downshifting everytime to go anywhere. Can't find the Dyno charts of the SRK but it's going to be peaky .



Maybe can reference the torque curve of the older TNT600. Kind of a very odd torque curve with a dip where you need it the most.

Dont think I will enjoy that sort of power delivery on a commute

Unless you die die want a 4 cyc sportbike, the current crop of twins are far more suited to street and commuting work.

This post has been edited by jaycee1: Jan 24 2024, 11:08 AM

Visited QJmotor booth at autoshow

2 bikes that had me interested were SRV 600 and SRK 900RR


SRV 600, big brother of the SRV 250. Still using a V-twin engine.
Got a fancy 4 exhaust left and right.

Belt driven

Harley like headligt


SRK 900RR, 4 inline engine based on MV Agusta 1000
I guess this is where their MV Agusta acquisition asset went to.

MV agusta signature fork exhaust and single swingarm
Funny that the exhaust looks worse in person... it just looks flat

Unknown brand monoshock, but got adjustable preload and maybe rebound?

If you look properly there is a dashcam below the windshield



Sadly cannot turn on the bikes so cant hear what they sound like.

This post has been edited by Patent: May 22 2024, 04:46 PM

I think the 800 and 900 sport bikes are more interesting. They're supposed to be on their way here but I wonder when and more importantly, how much...

https://arenamotosikal.com/2024/01/06/qj-mo...google_vignette

https://www.mekanika.com.my/qjmotor-srk-921...google_vignette

Don't know why I can't upload the pictures though

This post has been edited by lowpro: May 27 2024, 08:31 AM

QJ SVT650X
V TWIN Engine copy vstrom ?gen.
Will you buy this over modenas versys,
Only rm2k cheaper...

Sounds nicer than my old SV650X...or is it my laptop speakers that make it sound nicer?

I guess they follow the same trick making the airbox bigger to deliver that throaty sound..

Wasn't this preview at last year's KL bike show also? Was a curious bike. Mforce personnel even didn't know anything about the bike.

But against the versys. Answer is no. Not with MForce. Rather spend 2k more for versys...even a slightly used old vstrom 650 might be a better buy.

You are going to look at massive depreciation from MForce bikes... Due to poor service, lack of parts and weeks in the shop even for the most minor things.

This post has been edited by jaycee1: May 28 2024, 11:40 AM

Modernized V-strom. They probably bought the mfg tooling for the outgoing v-twin engine from Suzuki, the same way CFmoto bought the mfg tooling for the outgoing ER6 engine from Kawasaki last time. Good deal for Suzuki though, last kopek make money as they're getting rid of the v-twins anyway.

I wonder how much it weighs?

I find it attractive, although ultimately Mforce is a deal-breaker for me.

doesnt look at that appealing for a mini bike.. same price as cfmoto papio also

Papio looks better, has more character. This is kinda generic

MForce has not changed or improved very much.

Leoncino 250 problem engine dying when hot. Towed the bike to MForce Segambut on 30-July-2024.

Today 3-September-2024 mechanic starts checking the bike. Bike can start so declares the bike fixed. WTF!

It's bad enough we have to wait months for the mechanic to touch the bike. But hardly doing proper checks and making declarations just shows laziness and incompetency.

Yes I do see a long long queue of motorcycles waiting to be repaired or fixed. But this is back to MForce carrying so many brands and only having a very small service center with so little competent mechanics to handle so many brands and large volume of bikes waiting.

The bikes are actually ok (not perfect) but MForce doesn't seem to make any effort to expand their service center and mechanics to cater to the growing market of the many brands they carry.

Sorry for ranting but i need people to be aware of MForce not doing enough to support decent products in this market.

If you can find a decent mechanic outside who can handle the Chinese brands you are better off than most of us who have our bikes stuck in MForce Segambut service center.

Anyone know of any good Benelli mechanic outside in Kalng Valley area?

Peace be with you all!

Mforce won't do shit unless you make a big fuss.

If you own a china bike under mforce, you are pretty much on your own. You need a good dealer and you need to source your own parts from taobao.

I got better luck with cfmoto. Major issues from day 1. Had to be towed back to the dealer 20kms from picking up the new bike. Gone direct with cfmoto and made a big fuss. Even got a loaner bike from them. But cfmoto is slightly more independent than the
rest of the mforce brands...and had cfmoto help to expedite my case. Cfmoto had a brand to look after, so a PR nightmare on a brand new launched sort of flagship bike is not something they want to let fester.

My issues have been well documented here on the cfmoto and 800NK threads.

Tough luck if you have a QJ or Benelli.

I applaud your patience.... 3 months in the shop, all hell would have broke loose if it was my bike. If the bike is under warranty, go make a case with the relevant authorities/kementrian (the name escapes me ATM)

This post has been edited by jaycee1: Sep 3 2024, 10:42 PM

That's their strategy of selling their bikes, lure you in with great price without having any after sales support. But I do think you can still get great deals from M-Force, you just have to look at models by other manufacturer, like the 800 so any mechanics who can work on the KTM can also work on it, or you buy a model with a long track record of reliability already, like the CFMOTO 450 platform, or anything with the QJ 600 inline 4. But of course you need to be able to do your research in the Chinese forums to look for those 'steals'.

This post has been edited by JustForFun: Sep 6 2024, 09:24 PM