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TSalexandersuk
post Jun 17 2022, 01:23 AM, updated 4y ago

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Shopee delivery misplaced my item into wrong mailbox.
When I asked guard to retrieve my item, he asked for my IC and captured the photo of my IC using his phone.
I was ok at that time but now my sister said it's wrong unless the guard crossed my IC.
Now the question is whether it is ok or not for a condo guard to take the photo of your IC.
You never know if that Nepal guard turns out to be a scammer.
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post Jun 17 2022, 02:46 AM

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Well is a serious kopitiam

Unless you new in Malaysia or just too young in Malaysia

Daily drive here and there hand off my driving license to the private sector security until i left the premise only they return back to me , during this few hours can you imagine how many personal collected my identity? Do i bother or worry? Yes and no

Some private sector do accept working ID you know the tag with your name , photo and company names sometimes they do call and verify some they don't

Just try to be smarter don't simply fall into scammer trap
If someone call you and able spell your name correctly doesn't mean the caller can be trusted especially unknown number or long time no see bullshi friend out of sudden and contact you must be too good to be true

The ending once you dah biasa everything is fine
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post Jun 17 2022, 05:43 AM

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QUOTE(zuozi @ Jun 17 2022, 02:46 AM)
Well is a serious kopitiam

Unless you new in Malaysia or just too young in Malaysia

Daily drive here and there hand off my driving license to the private sector security until i left the premise only they return back to me , during this few hours can you imagine how many personal collected my identity? Do i bother or worry? Yes and no

Some private sector do accept working ID you know the tag with your name , photo and company names sometimes they do call and verify some they don't

Just try to be smarter don't simply fall into scammer trap
If someone call you and able spell your name correctly doesn't mean the caller can be trusted especially unknown number or long time no see bullshi friend out of sudden and contact you must be too good to be true

The ending once you dah biasa everything is fine
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Which is why you should only hand over your driver license. Never hand your IC to any security guard.

Coming back to TS question. You did the wrong thing, now too late. You can go back and asked to delete the IC. That's all you can do, next time never let anyone take photo or get hold of your IC unless official matters. Just leave driver's license to security guard if you want to enter a premise.
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post Jun 17 2022, 06:03 AM

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Use your driving licence, never hand your IC. Your IC can be misused...
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post Jun 17 2022, 07:14 AM

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Need to have a proper guidelines for things like this. Feels like the information can be abused easily if fallen into wrong hands. Which is not hard. And info leak is such prevalent but nothing is done to protect the rakyat.
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post Jun 17 2022, 08:54 AM

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Maybe print out IC copy , cross out for entry pass , and laminate it .
Show the actual IC but for copy they snap the crossed copy.
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post Jun 17 2022, 09:01 AM

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Got real bodo one the other day.

Had to drive into one of those informal secure tamans in PJ and the guard says I want to take picture of driving license.

Proceeds to show the card to a cheap CCTV camera. Like can read ke the card info from CCTV footage?
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post Jun 17 2022, 09:05 AM

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its is privacy ... .no

You wouldn't know how they process and store your data..
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post Jun 17 2022, 09:15 AM

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How a crossed IC with 2 lines is not as good as a none cross IC?
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post Jun 17 2022, 09:18 AM

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if you dont let them capture, i think they also have right to not let you enter

edit: typo

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post Jun 17 2022, 11:28 AM

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QUOTE(c64 @ Jun 17 2022, 05:43 AM)
Which is why you should only hand over your driver license. Never hand your IC to any security guard.

Coming back to TS question. You did the wrong thing, now too late. You can go back and asked to delete the IC. That's all you can do, next time never let anyone take photo or get hold of your IC unless official matters. Just leave driver's license to security guard if you want to enter a premise.
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sometimes i do go out with Young adult old enough without driving license ... at the end they hand off their nric since not work for all place just using my driving license for 2 visitors or contractor pass

Tall tall private or office building going in taking visitors pass either nric or driving license no exceptions some building not even accept driving license
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post Jun 17 2022, 11:31 AM

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QUOTE(zuozi @ Jun 17 2022, 11:28 AM)
sometimes i do go out with Young adult old enough without driving license ... at the end they hand off their nric since not work for all place just using my driving license for 2 visitors or contractor pass

Tall tall private or office building going in taking visitors pass either nric or driving license no exceptions some building not even accept driving license
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I have not been anywhere where they won't accept driving license. They have no rights to take your IC. Ask them to fark off. Seriously.
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post Jun 17 2022, 11:32 AM

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give driver license better
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post Jun 17 2022, 11:52 AM

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i use driving licence. at least that is not acceptable for financial transaction, enough for identification.
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post Jun 17 2022, 11:57 AM

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QUOTE(Oltromen Ripot @ Jun 17 2022, 11:52 AM)
i use driving licence. at least that is not acceptable for financial transaction, enough for identification.
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You ever tried go up Komtar do they accept driving license? Couple years ago I tried if not mistaken they only accept IC I think ๐Ÿค” I don't fully remember.

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post Jun 17 2022, 12:06 PM

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QUOTE(KopiChia @ Jun 17 2022, 11:57 AM)
You ever tried go up Komtar do they accept driving license? Couple years ago I tried if not mistaken they only accept IC I think ๐Ÿค” I don't fully remember.
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but komtar is manned by auxilliary police, right?

auxilliary police have full police power at their designated workplace.
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post Jun 17 2022, 12:08 PM

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QUOTE(Oltromen Ripot @ Jun 17 2022, 12:06 PM)
but komtar is manned by auxilliary police, right?

auxilliary police have full police power at their designated workplace.
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Yea they are cops I guess it's safe.
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post Jun 17 2022, 12:10 PM

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QUOTE(KopiChia @ Jun 17 2022, 12:08 PM)
Yea they are cops I guess it's safe.
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Last i remember when hooha about giving IC to guards few years ago, it was stated only police and JPN can withhold your IC.
the rest can glean, but cannot withhold.
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post Jun 17 2022, 12:11 PM

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later he go agensi kewangan and open loan
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post Jun 17 2022, 12:12 PM

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QUOTE(Oltromen Ripot @ Jun 17 2022, 12:10 PM)
Last i remember when hooha about giving IC to guards few years ago, it was stated only police and JPN can withhold your IC.
the rest can glean, but cannot withhold.
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Oh its like that thanks for letting me know.
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post Jun 17 2022, 12:14 PM

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QUOTE(Oltromen Ripot @ Jun 17 2022, 12:10 PM)
Last i remember when hooha about giving IC to guards few years ago, it was stated only police and JPN can withhold your IC.
the rest can glean, but cannot withhold.
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What about the army? When I used to visit camps, they will withhold my IC.
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post Jun 17 2022, 12:19 PM

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QUOTE(KopiChia @ Jun 17 2022, 12:12 PM)
Oh its like that thanks for letting me know.
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auxilliary police (unless i misunderstood what was read years ago):
- vetted and trained by (federal) police
- equipped and salaried by hiring organisation
- have full authority to exercise police power at where the employer told them to work at/in

so they can withhold your IC.
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post Jun 17 2022, 12:19 PM

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QUOTE(seatux @ Jun 17 2022, 09:01 AM)
Got real bodo one the other day.

Had to drive into one of those informal secure tamans in PJ and the guard says I want to take picture of driving license.

Proceeds to show the card to a cheap CCTV camera. Like can read ke the card info from CCTV footage?
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How far away is the CCTV?

Nowadays, CCTV has definition high enough to read details at proper distance. If he was trained to show your card to CCTV at the right distance it will most likely be legible.

I feel this is the most efficient and fastest way of registering currently available
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post Jun 17 2022, 12:22 PM

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QUOTE(zemega @ Jun 17 2022, 12:14 PM)
What about the army? When I used to visit camps, they will withhold my IC.
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that i don't know. i only recall what i read back then.

(but, you are welcomed to challenge their auth and tolerance. let us know what happens after smile.gif )

but i have vague recollection of coming across a bill titled something like Tempat-Tempat Keselamatan or something along Protected Areas.

/me not loyar
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post Jun 17 2022, 12:23 PM

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Next time use license, less sensitive and liability.
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post Jun 17 2022, 12:27 PM

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QUOTE(alexandersuk @ Jun 17 2022, 01:23 AM)
Shopee delivery misplaced my item into wrong mailbox.
When I asked guard to retrieve my item, he asked for my IC and captured the photo of my IC using his phone.
I was ok at that time but now my sister said it's wrong unless the guard crossed my IC.
Now the question is whether it is ok or not for a condo guard to take the photo of your IC.
You never know if that Nepal guard turns out to be a scammer.
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Actually not ok. Hand over driving license, not IC. IC can be misused.
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post Jun 17 2022, 12:55 PM

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QUOTE(mousqy @ Jun 17 2022, 12:11 PM)
later he go agensi kewangan and open loan
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so easy to open loan at agensi kewangan? they lend out money, also want to get their money back 1, so they wont give out loan so easily la.
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post Jun 17 2022, 01:51 PM

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QUOTE(c64 @ Jun 17 2022, 11:31 AM)
I have not been anywhere where they won't accept driving license. They have no rights to take your IC. Ask them to fark off. Seriously.
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They do exit just you don't know only

One of the example menara cimb the only option you have are giving nric , insert your card read the information for the first time

Next visit just giving phone number their screen show your pictures and nric , some random fella also refuse to giving polis keselamatan telling that fella is a private property you either give it for or kolos

Then one mont kiara office building also need nric for entering driving license is not acceptable

Some i even go before second visit just scan your thumb print already know who you are

They do exit just you don't know only

Another example KTM HQ this place mostly have police keselamatan
Since i do have driving license only this needed then my junior without driving license to enter only option giving nric or waiting outside if the junior refuse this and that what the point I drive him there for working purpose

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No, not allowed if using personal phone. Even soft copy without watermark can be misused

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QUOTE(zemega @ Jun 17 2022, 12:14 PM)
What about the army? When I used to visit camps, they will withhold my IC.
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This one is government property and last time too much fake driving license RM 20 can get one
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short answer is no.

security guards are not authorities although they like to act like they are.
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post Jun 17 2022, 02:09 PM

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Thanks for the info guys.
I already texted my management office regarding this matter, but they never replied to my text. I want to go straight to their office to clarify this matter because I am scared it will happen again, but I am already balik kampung lol.

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I should have clarified with my building management first yesterday on the procedure to retrieve my misplaced package. Haish lesson learned.
Perhaps next time I will straight away go to the management building office before dealing with security guard.
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QUOTE(alexandersuk @ Jun 17 2022, 01:23 AM)
Shopee delivery misplaced my item into wrong mailbox.
When I asked guard to retrieve my item, he asked for my IC and captured the photo of my IC using his phone.
I was ok at that time but now my sister said it's wrong unless the guard crossed my IC.
Now the question is whether it is ok or not for a condo guard to take the photo of your IC.
You never know if that Nepal guard turns out to be a scammer.
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Next time put finger to block last 4 digits when ppl take photo.


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post Jun 17 2022, 02:33 PM

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Guard : Mintak IC. Tangkap gambar IC sebelum masuk.
John Doe : Boleh. Saya pun mau tangkap gambar awak. Jugak kad kerja awak.
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post Jun 17 2022, 02:42 PM

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QUOTE(kangkayu @ Jun 17 2022, 02:33 PM)
Guard : Mintak IC. Tangkap gambar IC sebelum masuk.
John Doe : Boleh. Saya pun mau tangkap gambar awak. Jugak kad kerja awak.
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If foreigner okay lah if that jaga are locally then you really cari gaduh with them ๐Ÿ˜‚ which i not dare to do so even cari polis datang also wasting so much time ... I usually just tanya license boleh tak bang?pergi block blah house nombor blah buat kerja saja be nice usually they'll accept just don't lcly
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QUOTE(zuozi @ Jun 17 2022, 02:42 PM)
If foreigner okay lah if that jaga are locally then you really cari gaduh with them ๐Ÿ˜‚ which i not dare to do so even cari polis datang also wasting so much time ... I usually just tanya license boleh tak bang?pergi block blah house nombor blah buat kerja saja be nice usually they'll accept just don't lcly
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Agree with you.
if LCLY and wrong day, kena whacked by pak guard.
Good to sweet talk with them.
Normally, i have an expired driving license with me.
Almost always, the guard will oblige.
Just wanna live another day uneventfully.
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no. just be nice and show your IC only enough, no need to snap photo. if he still insists, just say nicely u willing to sign attendance or form or whatever as long dont have to snap photo. usually guard just allow u go in after u show ID la.
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QUOTE(kangkayu @ Jun 17 2022, 03:40 PM)
Agree with you.
if LCLY and wrong day, kena whacked by pak guard.
Good to sweet talk with them.
Normally, i have an expired driving license with me.
Almost always, the guard will oblige.
Just wanna live another day uneventfully.
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Once long enough friendly and recognize you usually they just bagi you the pass card and let you in without request this and that anymore
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QUOTE(likefunyouare @ Jun 17 2022, 09:18 AM)
if you dont let them capture, i think they also have right to not let you enter

edit: typo
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Nope ....

QUOTE(zuozi @ Jun 17 2022, 11:28 AM)
sometimes i do go out with Young adult old enough without driving license ... at the end they hand off their nric since not work for all place just using my driving license for 2 visitors or contractor pass

Tall tall private or office building going in taking visitors pass either nric or driving license no exceptions some building not even accept driving license
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Know ur right before making assumption.

QUOTE(Oltromen Ripot @ Jun 17 2022, 12:06 PM)
but komtar is manned by auxilliary police, right?

auxilliary police have full police power at their designated workplace.
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they don't have right too.

QUOTE(Oltromen Ripot @ Jun 17 2022, 12:10 PM)
Last i remember when hooha about giving IC to guards few years ago, it was stated only police and JPN can withhold your IC.
the rest can glean, but cannot withhold.
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Five:
Police officers. Donโ€™t forget to check their police ID before you give your IC to them.
JPN (Jabatan Pendaftaran Negara) officers
Customs officers
Any officers/public officers with permission from JPNโ€™s director-general
Army officers who are on duty

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post Jun 18 2022, 12:41 AM

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QUOTE(X1X1 @ Jun 18 2022, 12:35 AM)
QUOTE(Oltromen Ripot @ Jun 17 2022, 12:06 PM)

but komtar is manned by auxilliary police, right?

auxilliary police have full police power at their designated workplace.
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they don't have right too.
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please let us know if I have misunderstood and misrepresented.
(no, i'm not challenging you in adversarial tone. purely educational and general knowledge purpose.)

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[quote=Oltromen Ripot,Jun 18 2022, 12:41 AM]
they don't have right too.
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user posted image

please let us know if I have misunderstood and misrepresented.
(no, i'm not challenging you in adversarial tone. purely educational and general knowledge purpose.)
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polis,bantuan have certain right but not full right.
as MALAYSIA IC is MALAYSIA gov property not our personal belonging.
even polis officer have limited power to hold our IC, with few condition apply.
Low rank officer cant even detain us without active crime or senior around.
If polis Officer is single person, he dont even have right to ask us question.
act is direct n simple but many dont understand.

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QUOTE(alexandersuk @ Jun 17 2022, 01:23 AM)
Shopee delivery misplaced my item into wrong mailbox.
When I asked guard to retrieve my item, he asked for my IC and captured the photo of my IC using his phone.
I was ok at that time but now my sister said it's wrong unless the guard crossed my IC.
Now the question is whether it is ok or not for a condo guard to take the photo of your IC.
You never know if that Nepal guard turns out to be a scammer.
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Nope. Dangerous.

 

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