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 Majority of our doctors are poor?

Majority of our doctors are
 
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thedannyguy
post May 31 2022, 08:47 PM

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actually doctor deserves competitive pay, at least in Western countries. Like a poster said you can get dodgy certs in Malaysia and be a doctor. So these underqualified doctors are doing disservice to competent doctors. Time to regulate IPTS medical course offerings.
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post Jun 1 2022, 01:33 AM

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QUOTE(FluffyTee @ May 31 2022, 08:40 PM)
U clearly have no clue.
HO today have no oncalls since 2011? Changed to a flexi system.
If any "calls" they do are essential NOT suppose to happen and covered up. If their lucky they get some allowance by the hospital.. as there isn't an official fee for to do HO doing oncall anymore. Also doctors are specifically prohibited to claim cuti ganti for overtime.

Also during that time, the difference base pay at same grade between doctor and pharmacy is RM50. Pharmacy can claim oncall though..
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That's why I said I pluck number from my ass. Except the specialist salary range. That I got info from every year tax returns that I did.

Btw, sapa suruh jadi doctor. Might as well be a dentist or a vet. Or pharmacist.

This post has been edited by tupai: Jun 1 2022, 01:34 AM
Faidzal
post Jun 1 2022, 02:04 AM

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QUOTE(tupai @ May 29 2022, 10:36 AM)
Houseman get paid around rm4500. Before OnCall allowances etc. Grade u41

Medical officers get around rm8000++ grade u44

Specialist get around rm13000++ grade u52

Consultant maybe rn15000++ grade u52 or jusa.


Once get jusa, will get a gomen car.

That's under gomen service.
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not all will get JUSA nowadays.

bcos govt. emolument budget wont allow it.

that's why there's the new UD56 grade.

for specilaists/consultants that are eligible for JUSA grade but none available JUSA post.

so the salary is JUSA level but no JUSA perks (free car/petrol/toll etc).

but yeah govt. specialist salary is like 20% of what private sector specialist can get...
Faidzal
post Jun 1 2022, 02:09 AM

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QUOTE(ListenToTheWind @ May 29 2022, 10:22 AM)
My sis is now a neurosurgeon specialist in gomen hospital. Yet her pay is less than rm20k

And she is going to be a consultant soon.
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Faidzal
post Jun 1 2022, 02:12 AM

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QUOTE(Letstorque5 @ May 29 2022, 12:28 PM)
In government service, Dr can climb the ladder very quick.
Most U52-U56 age around 40s. Some even below 40.
By the time becoming JUSA, mid 40s, easily get Dato/Datuk of still in government service.

Then, resign la join private sector.

Or wait to retire and enjoy JUSA pension, full salary.

In other government sectors, you’ll be lucky to reach JUSA before 55.
Some, only JUSA C with only a year or two of service. No hope of getting to JUSA B.
The thing is, head of government department in every state usually JUSA C.
But in every hospital, easily more that one JUSA.
A big, state-capital hospital, each of department (ortho, pead) in that hospital headed by a JUSA. Director of hospital can be JUSA B.
Which equivalent, or more than Director General of small department like Met Dept, JAKOA, Fisheries Dept
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JUSA position limited la. not all consultants or specialist will be given JUSA post nowadays.

that's why there's the new UD56 grade.

hospital director is at most JUSA C only, mana ada JUSA B (except maybe HKL).

hospital director also usually doctor with MBA or that special masters of management program for doctors, rarely specialist in any certain field.

bcos hospital director more to overall management and rarely see any patients
Letstorque5
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QUOTE(Faidzal @ Jun 1 2022, 02:12 AM)
JUSA position limited la. not all consultants or specialist will be given JUSA post nowadays.

that's why there's the new UD56 grade.

hospital director is at most JUSA C only, mana ada JUSA B (except maybe HKL).

hospital director also usually doctor with MBA or that special masters of management program for doctors, rarely specialist in any certain field.

bcos hospital director more to overall management and rarely see any patients
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I know 1 ex-hospital director whose also a heart surgeon.

Grade 56 not only for medical , but also teaching.
Was created or else, most of JUSA will be doctors and teachers/lecturers


pgsiemkia
post Jun 2 2022, 06:53 PM

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QUOTE(munak991 @ May 29 2022, 10:02 AM)
Yes poor

The work they do can't justify by their pay

Many doctors I came about
For the first 5 years they can tahan, say for saving lives
After that, either they go private
Or specialize then go private
Or open own clinic for those have money
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Need to advance to Masters level and be specialist in something. Ordinary GPs need to jv with big chain clinics and open own clinic and work like dog for 10-20 years, get commission from pharma companies, sell MCs, ubat batuk and pain killers before can reach tahap millionaire.

If specialist also need cable to get work in big private hospitals and get experienced to pad CV and jump to other chains baru can earn 100k/month.

Most doctors come from poor families, so parents still have to gadai rumah/tanah so they can open own clinic or go overseas to further their specialty, if waiting to do advance courses locally, long wait for nons.


Mr.Docter
post Jun 2 2022, 07:01 PM

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Ala jumpa thread ni kat page 10 dah. Haha

gahpadu
post Jun 2 2022, 08:05 PM

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QUOTE(Faidzal @ Jun 1 2022, 02:12 AM)
JUSA position limited la. not all consultants or specialist will be given JUSA post nowadays.

that's why there's the new UD56 grade.

hospital director is at most JUSA C only, mana ada JUSA B (except maybe HKL).

hospital director also usually doctor with MBA or that special masters of management program for doctors, rarely specialist in any certain field.

bcos hospital director more to overall management and rarely see any patients
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Speceles without sub only gred 56 ( after 5 yrs works as speclist) and toward end of service ie 50s maybe given Jusa C

Consutant nornally can get Jusa B before pension
drumstix
post Jan 13 2023, 05:09 PM

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Doctors are poor

Kais pagi makan pagi
SUSpot-8-O's
post Jan 13 2023, 05:09 PM

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it's just a rumor started by doctors so their abduction rate would lower
Satanist
post Jan 13 2023, 05:11 PM

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pharma pay them alot la..
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post Jan 13 2023, 05:23 PM

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If Doctor want to earn money = Aesthetic

Women money super easy to earn. talk few words they willing to part with few thousands.
ikankering
post Jan 13 2023, 05:23 PM

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poor is normal in Malaysia.
Red_rustyjelly
post Jan 13 2023, 05:24 PM

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sometimes i despise private hospital doctors.
once they know u got insurance, they test this and that drag your stay. Insurance paying mah.

a- hole doctors

This post has been edited by Red_rustyjelly: Jan 13 2023, 07:04 PM
Pain4UrsinZ
post Jan 13 2023, 06:21 PM

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QUOTE(tupai @ May 29 2022, 10:36 AM)
Houseman get paid around rm4500. Before OnCall allowances etc. Grade u41

Medical officers get around rm8000++ grade u44

Specialist get around rm13000++ grade u52

Consultant maybe rn15000++ grade u52 or jusa.

Once get jusa, will get a gomen car.

That's under gomen service.
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not that much, like MO 8k, that one is max included all the allowance and Oncall.
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post Jan 13 2023, 06:23 PM

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QUOTE(tupai @ Jun 1 2022, 01:33 AM)
That's why I said I pluck number from my ass. Except the specialist salary range. That I got info from every year tax returns that I did.

Btw, sapa suruh jadi doctor. Might as well be a dentist or a vet. Or pharmacist.
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the problem is the pathway to specialist is long, even if you take private UK paper/ or private U they will still required you to work at government hospital and assessment also done by MOH specialist.
exam also limited no place keep waiting only

This post has been edited by Pain4UrsinZ: Jan 13 2023, 06:25 PM
teslaman
post Jan 13 2023, 06:25 PM

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QUOTE(Skylinestar @ May 29 2022, 10:00 AM)
I've heard many bad stories about study debt from doctors.

Majority of doctors don't earn 20k.

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they should be rich meh?
loserguy
post Jan 13 2023, 06:26 PM

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New Klang is tat u?
gahpadu
post Jan 13 2023, 06:27 PM

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QUOTE(Red_rustyjelly @ Jan 13 2023, 05:24 PM)
somethings i despise private hospital doctors.
once they know u got insurance, they test this and that drag your stay. Insurance paying mah.

a- hole doctors
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Some hospital ask any docs who want to work with them pay up to rm100k

Medical insuran for medical practise is compulsory . Dont want to summon until only undergahmen left

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