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TSsalakiest
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May 24 2022, 11:04 AM, updated 4y ago
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Hello,
I'm a Malaysian. I live and work in Australia now. I use Malaysian bank account to trade crypto. Since I'm not living in Malaysia. So do I need to pay tax? I heard that if you are not staying in Malaysia for more than 182 days, you don't need to pay tax. Is it for foreigner or Malaysian?
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SUSifourtos
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May 24 2022, 11:09 AM
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unless you can prove that money already paid tax elsewhere.
like working in SG, transfer money back to MY.
in your case.
wait GG
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SUSifourtos
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May 24 2022, 11:13 AM
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FYI, working in SG
tax paid in SG
All the Goverment on this Planet has 1 big function
Official Money Laundering.
Once your Income/Money is certified (TAX PAID) by 1 Official Goverment on this Planet, that Money is SAFE to SPENT Globally.
That is WHY some country offer Ultra low TAX ( cayman islands ) so Helang worldwide " White Laundering " their money there.
1 Simple Rules.
All income need to pay tax somewhere. ( for Malaysia, only certain type of income are excluded from tax , like capital gain )
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TSsalakiest
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May 24 2022, 11:22 AM
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QUOTE(ifourtos @ May 24 2022, 11:09 AM) unless you can prove that money already paid tax elsewhere. like working in SG, transfer money back to MY. in your case. wait GG I pay income tax in Australia. so I just need to show my Australian income tax reports to LHDN then I won't need to pay crypto tax for trading crypto in Malaysia, otherwise I need to pay the crypto tax. I see. Thanks.
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il0ve51
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May 24 2022, 11:26 AM
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hi guys, im estate planner, if you have crypto that require to withdraw some market, i can use estate planning way to help you. pm if interested
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marcus_bread
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May 24 2022, 11:43 AM
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QUOTE(salakiest @ May 24 2022, 11:22 AM) I pay income tax in Australia. so I just need to show my Australian income tax reports to LHDN then I won't need to pay crypto tax for trading crypto in Malaysia, otherwise I need to pay the crypto tax. I see. Thanks. U may wan to look into the question whether ur crypto is subject to tax in Malaysia or Australia. Next is even u have subject to tax in Australia but eventually u bring back to money into malaysia (or in ur case already in Malaysia), the LHDN still wan to tax u as foreign source income but LHDN allow u to claim bilateral credit. however, in most situation u will end up paying extra tax and bilateral credit wont guarantee u to claim 100% of tax pay in Australia.
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jack2
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May 24 2022, 12:07 PM
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QUOTE(il0ve51 @ May 24 2022, 11:26 AM) hi guys, im estate planner, if you have crypto that require to withdraw some market, i can use estate planning way to help you. pm if interested I guess yours must be related to some retirement fund or insurance. Haha
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il0ve51
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May 24 2022, 01:01 PM
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QUOTE(jack2 @ May 24 2022, 01:07 PM) I guess yours must be related to some retirement fund or insurance. Haha sorry not insurance, not unit trust, not investment not mutual fund. haha yea, and also consultation is free not charge. haha dont need to force charity also. haha This post has been edited by il0ve51: May 24 2022, 01:03 PM
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TSsalakiest
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May 24 2022, 01:39 PM
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QUOTE(marcus_bread @ May 24 2022, 11:43 AM) U may wan to look into the question whether ur crypto is subject to tax in Malaysia or Australia. Next is even u have subject to tax in Australia but eventually u bring back to money into malaysia (or in ur case already in Malaysia), the LHDN still wan to tax u as foreign source income but LHDN allow u to claim bilateral credit. however, in most situation u will end up paying extra tax and bilateral credit wont guarantee u to claim 100% of tax pay in Australia. In Australia, crypto is subjected to capital gain which is taxable and the tax is high. In Malaysia, if you don't trade frequently you might not need to pay tax and the tax seems lower than Australia's tax. I have transferred money from Australia back to Malaysia many times, each time over 20K with no problem. LHDN never asks me about that foreign money.
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MrBaba
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May 24 2022, 01:46 PM
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Technically Aus gov see this as foreign income need declare kena tax o r not not sure. If u declare it at Mal den won't kena from Aus no ?
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TSsalakiest
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May 24 2022, 03:22 PM
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QUOTE(MrBaba @ May 24 2022, 01:46 PM) Technically Aus gov see this as foreign income need declare kena tax o r not not sure. If u declare it at Mal den won't kena from Aus no ? Foreign income is taxable in Australia. If we already paid the crypto tax in Malaysia not sure if we still need to pay foreign tax in Australia or not? This is indeed another question.
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jack2
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May 24 2022, 03:28 PM
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QUOTE(il0ve51 @ May 24 2022, 01:01 PM) sorry not insurance, not unit trust, not investment not mutual fund. haha yea, and also consultation is free not charge. haha dont need to force charity also. haha Good luck
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MrBaba
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May 24 2022, 03:35 PM
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QUOTE(salakiest @ May 24 2022, 03:22 PM) Foreign income is taxable in Australia. If we already paid the crypto tax in Malaysia not sure if we still need to pay foreign tax in Australia or not? This is indeed another question. If u pay at Mal just declare it at Aus don't need pay both side ma. I think the foreign income taxable in Aus is refering to active income u generate while at Aus from outside.
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TSsalakiest
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May 25 2022, 05:28 AM
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QUOTE(MrBaba @ May 24 2022, 03:35 PM) If u pay at Mal just declare it at Aus don't need pay both side ma. I think the foreign income taxable in Aus is refering to active income u generate while at Aus from outside. Then it's better pay Malaysia's tax instead of Australia's.
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jack2
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May 25 2022, 09:30 AM
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QUOTE(salakiest @ May 25 2022, 05:28 AM) Then it's better pay Malaysia's tax instead of Australia's. It is not up to you to choose which country tax you want to pay for. If you fall under Malaysian tax and you are not tax resident, your tax rate is high without tier. This post has been edited by jack2: May 25 2022, 09:31 AM
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MrBaba
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May 25 2022, 10:02 AM
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QUOTE(jack2 @ May 25 2022, 09:30 AM) It is not up to you to choose which country tax you want to pay for. If you fall under Malaysian tax and you are not tax resident, your tax rate is high without tier. Don't think they check , cos all my oversea cousin all still dapat bsh despite they aldy announced this yr cannot get dy.
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MrBaba
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May 25 2022, 10:33 AM
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QUOTE(salakiest @ May 25 2022, 05:28 AM) Then it's better pay Malaysia's tax instead of Australia's. Mal side they say if yr not a trader is tax free not subject to tax. Last time one local exchange got share this info at Thier blog , newspaper also mention about this.
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TSsalakiest
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May 25 2022, 02:12 PM
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QUOTE(jack2 @ May 25 2022, 09:30 AM) It is not up to you to choose which country tax you want to pay for. If you fall under Malaysian tax and you are not tax resident, your tax rate is high without tier. "It is not up to you to choose which country tax you want to pay for." If I choose to trade crypto in Malaysia then I should pay tax in Malaysia. I have a tax account in Malaysia as I'm a Malaysian citizen.
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TSsalakiest
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May 25 2022, 02:15 PM
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QUOTE(MrBaba @ May 25 2022, 10:33 AM) Mal side they say if yr not a trader is tax free not subject to tax. Last time one local exchange got share this info at Thier blog , newspaper also mention about this. That is even better. I'll just do income return and hopefully, I don't get taxed.
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MUM
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May 25 2022, 02:31 PM
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QUOTE(salakiest @ May 24 2022, 11:04 AM) Hello, I'm a Malaysian. I live and work in Australia now. I use Malaysian bank account to trade crypto. Since I'm not living in Malaysia. So do I need to pay tax? I heard that if you are not staying in Malaysia for more than 182 days, you don't need to pay tax. Is it for foreigner or Malaysian? if i am not mistaken,...it has to do with "tax residence" tax residence determinants,...https://phl.hasil.gov.my/pdf/pdfam/PR_11_2017.pdfQUOTE(salakiest @ May 24 2022, 01:39 PM) In Australia, crypto is subjected to capital gain which is taxable and the tax is high. In Malaysia, if you don't trade frequently you might not need to pay tax and the tax seems lower than Australia's tax. I have transferred money from Australia back to Malaysia many times, each time over 20K with no problem. LHDN never asks me about that foreign money. good for you, that they never asked.. anyway,...come 2027,.....that may change as the waiver of Foreign Source income exemption expires,......unless they renewed the waiver,....your remittance may be queried and taxed if applicableQUOTE(salakiest @ May 25 2022, 02:12 PM) "It is not up to you to choose which country tax you want to pay for." If I choose to trade crypto in Malaysia then I should pay tax in Malaysia. I have a tax account in Malaysia as I'm a Malaysian citizen. you may be a Malaysian, but you are not a malaysian tax resident as you are not living in Malaysia but in AustraliaQUOTE(salakiest @ May 25 2022, 02:15 PM) That is even better. I'll just do income return and hopefully, I don't get taxed. submit Malaysia income tax when you are not a malaysia tax resident and may be subjected to taxes under non resident tax rate?This post has been edited by MUM: May 25 2022, 02:36 PM
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