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mini orchard
post Feb 17 2022, 04:08 PM

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QUOTE(Accord2018 @ Feb 17 2022, 03:49 PM)
Nola, the judge can let your tenant to choose to pay a lump sum or by installment one. If after that he no pay you, then you apply send him to prison for up to 6 weeks. You see he faster sells everything to pay you or not.
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QUOTE(Mr Mercedes @ Feb 17 2022, 03:59 PM)
The judge decides on what is pleaded in the Landlord's claim, which generally would be the full lump sum payment. It is not a choice on the part of the Tenant.

Debt incurred by the Landlord is immediately payable upon service of judgement on the Tenant.

Payment in installments would only be relevant if parties enter a consent judgement/execute a settlement agreement agreeing to a installment payment manner, where the quantum and date would be spelt out clearly.
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Normally, tenants wont appear for court cases unless he has a 50/50 of winning.

Even if can pay, he will wait for enforcement of judgement...similar to last minute withdrawal of auction cases.

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post Feb 17 2022, 04:09 PM

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QUOTE(Accord2018 @ Feb 17 2022, 04:02 PM)
the judge has the discretion to allow for installment.
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Judge will decide to allow or dismiss the Landlord's claim.

If the landlord pleads for a lump sum payment, the judge can only decide to either:

1.allow in full the Landlord's claim
2 allow in part, the Landlord's claim
3. dismiss the claim entirely.

Unless of course, for whatever reason, the Landlord pleads for an installment on his claim, then the judge may decide on that.


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post Feb 17 2022, 04:16 PM

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QUOTE(Mr Mercedes @ Feb 17 2022, 04:09 PM)
Judge will decide to allow or dismiss the Landlord's claim.

If the landlord pleads for a lump sum payment, the judge can only decide to either:

1.allow in full  the Landlord's claim
2 allow in part, the Landlord's claim
3. dismiss the claim entirely.

Unless of course, for whatever reason, the Landlord pleads for an installment on his claim, then the judge may decide on that.
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nola. under s4(6)(b) DA 1957 judge can let him choose for installment
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post Feb 17 2022, 04:22 PM

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QUOTE(Accord2018 @ Feb 17 2022, 04:16 PM)
nola. under s4(6)(b) DA 1957 judge can let him choose for installment
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Debtors Act?

That is only applicable if the Landlord decides to file JDS proceedings.


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post Feb 17 2022, 04:23 PM

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QUOTE(Mr Mercedes @ Feb 17 2022, 04:22 PM)
Debtors Act?

That is only applicable if the Landlord decides to file JDS proceedings.
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you said they don't want to pay what. doh.gif
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post Feb 17 2022, 04:36 PM

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QUOTE(mini orchard @ Feb 17 2022, 10:15 AM)
Doesnt matter tenant account or owner. As long bill not paid and supply cut, no future elect reconnection.
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QUOTE(sykz @ Feb 17 2022, 10:17 AM)
Then they give us option to change to tenant for what? Reconnection able to do but need to pay. I believed changing to tenant help truly helps instead the bill stick to your name. Currently TNB made it easier to do changing name to tenant.
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QUOTE(mini orchard @ Feb 17 2022, 10:19 AM)
This topic has been discuss many times in Serious Kopitiam.

No payment, no supply ...

Search for old thread.
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QUOTE(prdkancil @ Feb 17 2022, 10:27 AM)
Reconnection cant be done on the same address/unit even wiv different tnb acc name . Change to tenant name might prevent u hv bad report in ctos ccris.
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QUOTE(sykz @ Feb 17 2022, 10:34 AM)
What the fk. Bit bullshit then. At least safe from CTOS/CCRIS.
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QUOTE(mini orchard @ Feb 17 2022, 10:45 AM)
Tnb only want money. Doesnt matter who pays or whose account.
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QUOTE(etan26 @ Feb 17 2022, 01:09 PM)
You are wrong, TNB will still black list the unit until full payment when they can't find the tenant.
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This is the reply from TNB careline.

In the case that mini orchard presented, the amount might be to big to be ignored by TNB as the owner didn't bother to check the money owed on monthly basis. TNB apps already existed more than 3 years ago, that's how I check as it's ease me.

For smaller amount case, I believed the changing name and reconnection should be no issue.

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post Feb 17 2022, 04:40 PM

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QUOTE(Accord2018 @ Feb 17 2022, 04:23 PM)
you said they don't want to pay what.  doh.gif
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Yeap. The Landlord can opt for JDS, WSS, Garnishee proceedings if they wish to recover the lump sum debt.


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post Feb 17 2022, 04:42 PM

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QUOTE(sykz @ Feb 17 2022, 04:36 PM)
This is the reply from TNB careline.

In the case that mini orchard presented, the amount might be to big to be ignored by TNB as the owner didn't bother to check the money owed on money basis. TNB apps already existed more than 3 years ago, that's how I check as it's ease me.

For smaller amount case, I believed the changing name and reconnection should be no issue.
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If the amount is small, most landlord would just pay off for reconnection.

Even if allowed under special cases, also need higher authority approval and take time unless landlord dont mind vacant period. Is similar to writing off 'bad debts'

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post Feb 17 2022, 05:03 PM

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QUOTE(sykz @ Feb 17 2022, 04:36 PM)
This is the reply from TNB careline.

In the case that mini orchard presented, the amount might be to big to be ignored by TNB as the owner didn't bother to check the money owed on monthly basis. TNB apps already existed more than 3 years ago, that's how I check as it's ease me.

For smaller amount case, I believed the changing name and reconnection should be no issue.
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smaller amount sure they let it. if bit coin mining 50k , are you sure tnb lets you to apply a new account?
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post Feb 17 2022, 05:26 PM

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QUOTE(Accord2018 @ Feb 17 2022, 06:03 PM)
smaller amount sure they let it. if bit coin mining 50k , are you sure tnb lets you to apply a new account?
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Thank you for your deviation of subject and to put TS case in context to make it interesting, does the amount owed amounted as per your example or applicable to him as what I suggested?

Will not reply further. I already suggested solutions and provided info for clear clarification from TNB on the blacklisting and reconnection issue. Purpose of my reply is to help him. Not to nitpicking for the sake of it. I'm done here.
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QUOTE(mini orchard @ Feb 17 2022, 09:30 AM)
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QUOTE(sykz @ Feb 17 2022, 05:26 PM)
Thank you for your deviation of subject and to put TS case in context to make it interesting, does the amount owed amounted as per your example or applicable to him as what I suggested?

Will not reply further. I already suggested solutions and provided info for clear clarification from TNB on the blacklisting and reconnection issue. Purpose of my reply is to help him. Not to nitpicking for the sake of it. I'm done here.
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Nope, it is based on real-life happening that someone else has failed to get reconnected. It is important not to mislead others to think can easily change names and get reconnected especially if the amount is large ya.

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post Feb 17 2022, 05:34 PM

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u can terminate the TNB under your name and ask them to register their own. so if they dont pay it's under their name. when they quit, then their responsibility to cancel it also.
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QUOTE(Zot @ Feb 17 2022, 09:01 AM)
Should have let them connect electricity under their name. Anyway if under your name you can ask TNB to cut power anytime, right?
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This i sokong

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post Feb 17 2022, 05:34 PM

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It all start with a small tiny hill. Then it starts to grow bigger and bigger if left unchecked. Had 2 tenant electric bill 7.5K & water 2.5K, the other electric 3K and water 1K. Both also lari at the end. Always put their name and not ours as the account. Michael Chong selalu cakap, don't put your own name ar!!! Saw one of his press conference with a 700K electric bill before.
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QUOTE(sykz @ Feb 17 2022, 05:26 PM)
Thank you for your deviation of subject and to put TS case in context to make it interesting, does the amount owed amounted as per your example or applicable to him as what I suggested?

Will not reply further. I already suggested solutions and provided info for clear clarification from TNB on the blacklisting and reconnection issue. Purpose of my reply is to help him. Not to nitpicking for the sake of it. I'm done here.
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TS issue is not about tenant having an account.

Is still in his name and he has to pay up no matter the amount outstanding and deduct from the utilities deposit.



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post Feb 17 2022, 05:42 PM

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QUOTE(Jasther @ Feb 17 2022, 05:34 PM)
u can terminate the TNB under your name and ask them to register their own. so if they dont pay it's under their name. when they quit, then their responsibility to cancel it also.
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If tenant dont cancel and how many do that if they have outstanding more than the deposit ?

QUOTE(contagiouseddie @ Feb 17 2022, 05:34 PM)
It all start with a small tiny hill. Then it starts to grow bigger and bigger if left unchecked. Had 2 tenant electric bill 7.5K & water 2.5K, the other electric 3K and water 1K. Both also lari at the end. Always put their name and not ours as the account. Michael Chong selalu cakap, don't put your own name ar!!! Saw one of his press conference with a 700K electric bill before.
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If tenant pay up, no issue for landlord.

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post Feb 17 2022, 06:48 PM

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Malaysia is a pro tenant nation. If tenant choose to default, landlord will surely at the losing end. Laws are to protect the tenant and f the landlord. Thus doing some due diligent before agree to rent out is a must nowadays.

- ask the tenant to list out all the occupant name and ic
- do a ctos check on all of them. Below certain mark, then better be careful
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post Feb 18 2022, 07:04 AM

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QUOTE(Singh_Kalan @ Feb 17 2022, 06:48 PM)
Malaysia is a pro tenant nation.  If tenant choose to default, landlord will surely at the losing end. Laws are to protect the tenant and f the landlord. Thus doing some due diligent before agree to rent out is a must nowadays.

- ask the tenant to list out all the occupant name and ic
- do a ctos check on all of them. Below certain mark, then better be careful
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There is nothing special about tenancy dealing.

It is similar to any business dealings in credit terms. If debtors or borrowers default, one has to go through legal means to collect.

For the illegal, people like Ahlong also cannot escape such borrowers.

At least there is a consolation in tenancy where landlords can collect deposits. Most businesses dont have such term in credit sales.

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post Feb 18 2022, 08:05 AM

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QUOTE(Singh_Kalan @ Feb 17 2022, 06:48 PM)
Malaysia is a pro tenant nation.  If tenant choose to default, landlord will surely at the losing end. Laws are to protect the tenant and f the landlord. Thus doing some due diligent before agree to rent out is a must nowadays.

- ask the tenant to list out all the occupant name and ic
- do a ctos check on all of them. Below certain mark, then better be careful
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As I mentioned in previous post, you can go to TNB and change the utility name under tenant name so that your name will not be blacklisted due to situation like this.
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QUOTE(Singh_Kalan @ Feb 17 2022, 06:48 PM)
Malaysia is a pro tenant nation.  If tenant choose to default, landlord will surely at the losing end. Laws are to protect the tenant and f the landlord. Thus doing some due diligent before agree to rent out is a must nowadays.

- ask the tenant to list out all the occupant name and ic
- do a ctos check on all of them. Below certain mark, then better be careful
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You want people to give you the whole family's name and ic to you before tenancy is confirmed? Don't be naive.

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