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post Feb 13 2022, 10:30 AM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Feb 13 2022, 10:08 AM)
Just hope that, that "meaningful percentage of fixed income in their asset allocation." is meaniful enough to weather the storm that came like your example,...

"For example, 50% decline, 50% income reduction, 2 year duration"
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Then again, if focused too much on that example or if using that "worst case" scenario to set a portfolio allocation, will it scale down alot of the ROI generating potentials? (as the "good" roi years are more than that 2 yrs bad)

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post Feb 13 2022, 11:53 AM

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QUOTE(alexkos @ Feb 13 2022, 11:12 AM)
It does reduce maximum ROI potential. If everyone is disciplined enough to stay the course and lucky enough to have a full time job throughout the economic decline, then 100/0 provides the best investment outcome.
Not maximum, but more to more ROI..
If a port is 20% FI, 80% eq, when that 80% losses 50%,...just how much can that 20% FI helps?


The whole idea of emergency fund and fixed income is to hedge against asset price decline (well, bond price can drop with equity asset class too but in less proportion) so that portfolio volatility is within the range of risk tolerance that one can stomach.
Yes, must be within personal risk level which have to be really tested with real money n not just set in stone like must hv an "X" % of fixed income

Also, you can't continue the game if you got wiped out in the process. Say everyone has a 30 years investment horizon, the key is to survive first, then thrive.
Unless all is into a stock or a type of asset.. Very not easy to have all wipe out...
Also if the portfolio had increased at 10% pa rate for 6 yrs... It would have appreciated 60% and if crashed 50%....still hv alot left.... Just lost the accumulated gains n abit more


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post Feb 13 2022, 04:44 PM

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QUOTE(Hoshiyuu @ Feb 13 2022, 03:37 PM)
Assuming a portfolio of 1mil, and 80% equities loss 50%, you are down to 600k, with 400k equities and 200k bond (bonds usually drop some too but we'll neglect that for this example)
Now if you are unemployed and needed money, if you sell equities you will be realizing the 50% loss on equities, and when the market recovers, you might significantly recover less if you had to sell quite an amount.

If you had 20% bond however, now you have 200k to survive on by liquidating only the bonds. And in the best case scenario, where you have enough emergency fund to survive this downturn, you can rebalance the bonds into equities to buy them at a huge discount.

That's the role of bond, so 20% surprisingly helps a lot.

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Also if the portfolio had increased at 10% pa rate for 6 yrs... It would have appreciated 60% and if crashed 50%....still hv alot left.... Just lost the accumulated gains n abit more


In a planned portfolio with not too much margin for error (would be the case for an average earner), having your portfolio rollback by 6 years would severely delay your early retirement, or easily reduce your yearly withdrawal amount in your retirement - at a 50% equity drop, its entirely possible to go from "just comfortable enough" to having to move into a shared apartment and live on maggi for a few years until the market bounces back.
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when one need to sell the balance of the 50% and to having to move into a shared apartment and to survive the on maggi....to tight over the 2~3 BAD years...
then he sure does not have enough for retirements...

for if the markets did not drops....it will just be enough to last him for another few years

thumbup.gif thumbup.gif on that,.." And in the best case scenario, where you have enough emergency fund to survive this downturn, you can rebalance the bonds into equities to buy them at a huge discount.

That's the role of bond, so 20% surprisingly helps a lot."

YES it helps,...but when one is at that situation,...one emotional and financial state of mind may be different....just like now,...miniature example....a number of well known ETFs had been down more that 50%,...and yet there are people still waiting.....while their overall port is still does not have -20% losses or are at retirement age.

btw,....the variance of value of a port with 20FI:80EQ of 1 mil, when ROI of FI is 4.5%, EQ is - 50% compared to a 100% EQ port with - 50% losses is RM 109k


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post Feb 13 2022, 06:48 PM

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QUOTE(Hoshiyuu @ Feb 13 2022, 06:29 PM)
He don't HAVE to, but if he doesn't do it, it would jeopardize his real retirement.

Okay, lets say someone has retired with 1mil and is withdrawing 4% a year (so about ~40k a year, ~3.3k a month) to live really modestly.

Market drops by 50%, his 100% equity portfolio is now worth 500k. His withdrawal of the year is now 20k, so he barely have 1.6k a month to spend.

Let say he's not willing to give up his living standards, he continue to draw 40k a year (8% withdrawal rate) - that's basically setting up his retirement portfolio for failure in far-to-mid future, i mean.
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Depending of his stages of investment or life stages...
If at retirement n if his passive income is barely enough or just enough... Then a stable returns would be advised..

But iif his portfolio is at accumulation stages,... Any % pa of lesser ROI from his yearly returns will impact his accumulation of his retirement money...
More % in eq will have higher chances of getting more money for his retirement
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post May 1 2022, 10:36 AM

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QUOTE(KingArthurVI @ May 1 2022, 10:23 AM)
I'm having a serious case of FOMO here with most index funds going on a discount of late. I just finished my home renovation and so need cash for paying the contractors. But also hurting from seeing everything being on discount... Fellow Bogleheads, anyone been in this situation before? What did you do to stop yourself from doing something stupid like liquidating certain "safer" emergency funds like backup FD to put into index funds at this time?
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because, what is low now can still goes lower or stayed low for a long duration of time,..

these certain emergency funds has its purposes in your overall wealth portfolio... has their purpose changed since they are 1st set up?

unless that emergency funds has a value that could last your > 3 yrs or you can access your money in EPF soon...that is another equation in question liao...

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post May 9 2022, 02:07 PM

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QUOTE(naranjero @ May 9 2022, 12:30 PM)
Hello all Boglehead sifu here notworthy.gif

What are the effective method to prepare for next economic crisis/stock market crash? Asking for more general in a very long term, anything possible to happen will happen, consider it already happened many time in history.

-considering events like 1997 or 2008 crisis, global index drawdown could be >50% and take years to recover. Holding a fully diversified equity portfolio might hardly avoid that.
-deliberate allocation to gold, US treasury or other kind of asset particularly useful for crashes
-always have some dry powder ready
-"I can smell it before stock market crashes!"
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While waiting for value added responses, I google
"how to set up an investment portfolio in anticipation of market crashes"
https://www.google.com/search?q=how+to+set+...le-gws-wiz-serp

Planning for crash like1929 - bogleheads.org - forum
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&...Zw3Riqje1Fc3B0I


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post Jun 1 2022, 10:39 AM

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QUOTE(CoastFireSoon @ Jun 1 2022, 10:12 AM)
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I got a question for all of you - in your equities portion of your portfolio, are you all 100% foreign equities (US & world), or do you have a mix of M'sian and foreign equities in your portfolio? If I have a choice I want to keep my Malaysian equities to just 10% of my portfolio cos I have no confidence with the Malaysian economy.
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Many had mentioned,... They are already biased n heavy in asset allocation to malaysia sector through their epf n property.... Thus whatever spare investable cash they have, they will try not put in malaysia equities. Btw, I think 10-15 yrs ago malaysia small caps investment did enriched many too... Then since the last few years,... Downhill liao.
How many % of your net worth (includes fd, saviingss, Investment, properties, epf, etc) are already in malaysia?

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post Jun 4 2022, 04:05 PM

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QUOTE(nguminhuang @ Jun 4 2022, 03:58 PM)
can FSMOne's ETF RSP buy fractional share of VT ? If yes gonna pay RM 10 to activate CDS account.
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maybe can try check this out? while waiting for value added responses

https://www.fsmone.com.my/etfs/tools/stocks-calculator

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post Jun 4 2022, 06:59 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jun 4 2022, 06:21 PM)
Is this Malaysia or sg version?
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while waiting for his confirmation,...
i think it is the FSM MY version

https://www.fsmone.com.my/support/frequentl...tUniqueKey=2892


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post Jul 6 2022, 12:20 PM

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QUOTE(NotHideOnBush @ Jul 6 2022, 12:09 PM)
Unpopular opinion, do you guys maximize PRS 3000 MYR every year or just maximize all extra money into ETFs investing better off?
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Many had mentioned, prs is just aimed to get the tax relief,....
No tax relief, no invest in prs.

 

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