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Icehart
post Apr 1 2022, 07:34 PM

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QUOTE(Hoshiyuu @ Mar 27 2022, 07:30 PM)
For my 6 month emergency fund, I currently hold them in KDI Save (3%), previously in Versa (~2.4%), both of which are MMFs with quick deposit and withdraw time. Some may strongly disagree that emergency fund should be accessible within minutes, FD is better suited for it, but I personally think 3 days max (weekend) is acceptable for me.
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Why not crypto staking? Higher % and can be accessed within 15 minutes.
Icehart
post Apr 1 2022, 08:34 PM

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QUOTE(Hoshiyuu @ Apr 1 2022, 08:17 PM)
Well, I have a few reasons, some of them may be misguided, but I'm happy to be corrected.

I don't like the idea that there is too much choices, and every one of them have different underlying crypto, and every underlying crypto other than the big 2-3 always feel like its a zero-sum game looking for the next bagholder. I don't want my emergency fund to be worth 50% less on the day I need them the most, I'd have 2 big problem on the worst day of my life. I just can't trust the money will be there for me when I need it.

Secondly, I am not familiar enough with them - I don't know which ramps to trust, I don't know which ramps are available and safe, and whether will it suddenly all crash down and every crypto I've received (even if I sent them myself) is considered income according to LHDN and I wake up one day owning massive amount of tax because I didn't do my paperwork perfectly. I am also not sure about the fees, I don't like that if you jump through 2-3 different hoops you can get a sweeter deal (atom arbitrage for example).
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Happy to see your reasoning. If you are keen on it I'll suggest you to read more on stablecoin staking (USDT, USDC). I have my assets in USDT-USDC pool sitting on a sweet 20% APY. Some of it is in UST Anchor protocol getting 19%+ APY as well. But anyway if you have more questions feel free to shoot me a PM. I don't want to derail the discussion on Index fund investment.

Oh not sure if I can be considered bogglehead? I have $20,000 options in SPY 600D strike $5,000.

QUOTE(Davidtcf @ Apr 1 2022, 08:26 PM)
Crypto is the most volatile asset, even more so than Forex.

Also staking has chance of the underlying fund doing a rugpull, disappear, get hacked etc and your cryptos lost with it since they are the custodian.

I bought crypto end of last year at their all time high. Lost 50% of value and have not recovered since then (after China ban). Any big news like China’s ban will trigger another sell off.. most ppl can’t take such losses in such a short time. Also crypto trading is 24/7. Even weekends can’t rip esp if own a lot of them.

Most ppl say don’t own more than 10% crypto of your entire portfolio.. I can see why.

In 50 years crypto might be very valuable.. or just fail and most cryptos disappear. Nobody knows. So would also suggest if wanna buy also go for famous ones like BTC, ETH good enough. At least they have higher value. Going for less known ones is high risk.. you’ll need to monitor them often.
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Crypto is volatile if you choose to stake non stables/blue chips.
If you choose stablecoins then you are literally pegging your asset/investment value to US dollars, and since we are on this topic, your investment is in USD anyway. smile.gif
Icehart
post Apr 1 2022, 08:49 PM

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QUOTE(Davidtcf @ Apr 1 2022, 08:46 PM)
I would not convert all my crypto to Stablecoins. Never know when the next spike would have increasing BTC value by double? Hence I’d want to be ready for that.

Right now I converted my ETH and LTC to BTC and store them at Nexo. Then lock in one month each time earning in Nexo. After one mth convert just enough Nexo to BTC to still keep that platinum membership for higher interest.
That is my plan on keeping BTC now. Till I manage to recover or profit from my previous investment.

For new ppl buying into staking. If they don’t mind the high risk then go ahead. Many other articles warning ppl about dangers of staking.
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Good for you.
My original suggestion of stablecoins staking is not for investment, but rather for the purpose of emergency 6 months cash that can be withdrawn and used immediately, yet still enjoy relatively high APY.

Can you show me some articles on the danger of staking, just to see if I've missed anything.

This post has been edited by Icehart: Apr 1 2022, 08:50 PM
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post Apr 1 2022, 09:19 PM

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QUOTE(cucumber @ Apr 1 2022, 09:13 PM)
Wait SPY $5000? You mean $500 strike? That's like a LEAPS strategy right?
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Sorry, yes you are right. $500 strike price when SPY index hits 5000.
Yeah it's LEAPS strategy.
Icehart
post Apr 2 2022, 09:18 PM

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QUOTE(Davidtcf @ Apr 2 2022, 07:42 PM)
I'll stick to the usual ETF and stocks. Possible to have returns of 20% or even more a year or in two years time if you pick the right ones. Much more secured as well.
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Well good for you. Not forcing anyone here but am just offering an alternative to those who are keen to explore further.
Just to reiterate once more, this staking is not an investment advice (short/medium/long), but a suggestion on alternative to earn yield from "emergency funds" that you're allocating for 6 months and more.
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post Apr 2 2022, 10:40 PM

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QUOTE(Davidtcf @ Apr 2 2022, 10:27 PM)
Well the emergency funds' capital need to be guaranteed. From what I read in staking it's a grey area.

If more to investing (willing to take risk) than yes can consider staking.
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You can split into USDT/USDC/UDC pool if you're afraid of UST risk.
But still quoting from the article you provided, even the author has put in UST to stake in Anchor now, at least until 2 weeks before the yield reserve dries up.

 

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