I don't know anything about networking stuff.

I saw some of the switch has SFP port, can I use internet fibre cable with SFP module on the switch to get internet access?

No you can't. You still need router for dialing back to the ISP. From router to switch is easy. just plug 1 LAN cable from one of the LAN port to the switch and you're good to go

I still need a router for PPPoE?
After setup i no longer need those ont/onu device?

you can, pinging Anime4000

Also see https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=4925452

This post has been edited by PRSXFENG: Feb 5 2022, 06:56 PM

You will need the ONU because the device is used to convert optical signals to eletrical signals. Else you will need an SFP GPON (basically a small form factor ONU) that can be put directly in an SFP cage.

Also you will need a router to dial PPPoE, however the router here is optional. You can dial directly from the ONU/SFP GPON if it has a dialing function or you can dial directly from your PC, however only you yourself can use the internet.

Need to check if that SFP + RJ switch has VLAN aware
Also, you need SFP ONU Stick (miniature ONT) Some SFP ONU works with TM-Unifi, TM-Maxis. Some are not... due to LAN Port Provisioning

Hmm.. Long article, I need time to read it.

Are these all SFP GPON components? Does the price affect its performance?


Is it enough to just enter the PPPoE credential? Or do I have to setup vlan 500 for TM internet fibre?

I would like to ask if you can recommend me the smart managed switch and ONU stick with high CP value to setup such things?
I really don't have a clue to buy a switch. Those future proof device can cost thousand.

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This post has been edited by Anime4000: Feb 6 2022, 10:10 PM

Dogs1985

it's hard to find compatible SFP xPON ONU Stick with Unifi.

TM using very complex Provisioning that SFP Stick not understand and cannot bridged

There are 2 type:






Type A:
1. Native Fiber ISP such as TM-Unifi/Allo/TIME (ISP own network)
2. Provisioning Method: Bridge or LAN 1

Type B:
1. ISP on Fiber wholesale such as TM-Maxis, TM-Celcom, TM-DiGi, TM-Viewqwest, Allo-Maxis, Allo-DiGi, etc...
2. Provisioning Method: LAN 2, LAN 3, LAN 4, non-bridge

SFP xPON ONU Stick Type A:
1. ODI DFP-34X-2C2 (ZTE SoC, Stock Firmware) thankyou confirmed work with TM-Unifi
2. ODI DFP-34X-2C2 (Realtek RTL9601C1 Soc, Realtek Stock Firmware)
3. TWC TWCGPON657 (Realtek RTL9601C1 Soc, C00R657V00Bxx Firmware)
4. VSOL V2801F (Realtek RTL9601C1 Soc, V2801F Firmware)

SFP xPON ONU Stick Type B (Universal):
3. TWC TWCGPON657 (Realtek RTL9601C1 Soc, V2801F Firmware)
4. VSOL V2801F (Realtek RTL9601C1 Soc, V2801F Firmware)

As you can see, only V2801F firmware work on any kind of fiber network, V2801F can override many OMCI Provisioning also can send FAKE OK to OLT, telling that provisioning was success

Many SFP xPON ONU Stick are Type A, since stick only have 1 physical LAN, thus LAN 1 provisioning work just fine.

Also, when you using SFP xPON ONU Stick you can set MTU Size to 2000 bytes, set LAN and VLAN to 1508 MTU, and finally PPPoE 1500 MTU
because GPON has fixed MTU Size which is 2000 bytes, use it to reduce fragmentation, Maxis Fiber support PPPoE 1500MTU, I have tested it using RB3011UiAS



ODI DFP-34X-2C2 (Realtek): https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000086970977.html
TWC TWCGPON657 (Realtek): https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z09....id=597031866488
VSOL V2801F (Realtek): https://www.ebay.com/itm/274895161296 or https://www.ebay.com/itm/164272857050

Personally, I use VSOL V2801F and TWCGPON657, currently I use TWCGPON657 with V2801F firmware


nas0 is ATM Interface: https://home.regit.org/technical-articles/atm-bridging/

This post has been edited by Anime4000: Feb 6 2022, 10:44 PM

Sorry, it took a lot of time to digest your article.
There are many "term" are not very clear, like xPON, GPON, EPON, PON, nas0_0, Bridge, ATM, OLT, ONU, I will try to learn online.
Kindness will never be wasted.

Even if these SFP modulers are used, I still need to log in to moduler console page to configure?
Hmm.. Nevermind, now I have a clue that these two SFP moduler can be used in all fibre optic companies in Malaysia. I will do some research on these moduler.
Thank you very much.

Fibre optic is just a medium of transfer which could do long distance with minimal attenuation compared to copper medium, the protocol standard is Ethernet for example.

If you have the cash and have special agreement with the ISP fibre optic can make it seems like you're directly at the datacentre hooking up a switch to one of their 100G enterprise routers switch ports.
Many years before copper couldn't realise this but with modern day fibre combined with Ethernet standards this became a dream come true thing.

We call this direct point to point active Ethernet using fibre optic medium instead of LAN cable where you can only hook up a short distance copper length from your computer to your home switch.
Fibre optic allows distance of upto 10-20km depending on laser class.

So what you need is a router switch with a port that receives fibre media convertor modules/sticks that is called cages. Get a router/switch with a SFP+ cage. It'll at least future proof it to 10Gbps.

In Malaysia we do not have successful active P2P Ethernet for home consumers yet as initial build out costs is too expensive and you need to have 2 pairs to serve pure duplex mode for real symmetrical speeds to your customers.
For corporations and big time companies which colocations and hook their company network directly to Metro Ethernet that's an entire different story.

What do you intend to do?

xPON is similar acronym xDSL, is a "family" of networking.
The "x" usual refer to multiple thing, it can be:
1. E PON
2. G PON
3. XG PON (10Gb PON)
4. XGS PON (Symmetrical 10Gb)

ATM is Asynchronous Transfer Mode, where Download and Upload speed not same, for GPON speed is like 2.4Gbps Download, 1.2Gbps Upload

the "nas0_0" is Network Interface for ATM device

Bridge also Network Interface (Virtual), bind 2 different Network Interface

Actually at first, I just looked at normal switch. I started to explore and found that there are two type of switch, unmanaged and smart managed.
After research for a while, I found that some of the switch have PoE/PoE+(Do I need it?), then VLAN, then SFP/SFP+, then L2/L2+/L3..
I wonder if it is possible to link with TM-Unifi using SFP slot, so no need for onu/ont device anymore. That's why I post in forum and ask.

Ya, I found out that xPON refer to universal adapter.
Is ATM equal to those ADSL, EPON or GPON? I learned that EPON download/upload speed 1.25Gbps, GPON download speed higher a bit, 2.5Gbps.
nas0_0 refer to xPON adapter interface?
Haha, I really don't know about network bridge, I will study it later.

What you want is an enterprise all in one router with built in SFP+ cage as a CPE doing away the need of a separate ONT and a router.

Maybe something like the MikroTik hEX S or a high end enterprise grade CCR1036-8G-2S+EM?

That way you can have a single device with swappable SFP/SFP+ ports to cater for future needs. Some major ISPs in other countries allow this sort of configuration. when you subscribe to their plans they only will supply you with the xPON universal module for you to plug into your own supplied router.

Switzerland, Sweden and Japan are 2 countries which adopts this kind of approach even for home users besides corporate/enterprise plans.

I have been using SFP xPON ONU Stick a year, result was very nice



No need Managed Switch, just plug into Router! More space saving!

for Wi-Fi, I use TP-Link M5 (Mesh), more enterprise like networking in home

I bought SFP xPON ONU Stick at taobao, then flashed V2801F firmware

This post has been edited by Anime4000: Feb 9 2022, 09:57 PM

Hi
I have a tplink archer ge800 that has a sfp+ port for fiber connection
My question is can i by pass the nokia modem provided by Allo service and connect it directly to the SFp + port on my router

2ndly how to configure it to by pass the nokia modem and cinnect ditecltly to my 10gbps sfp+ port in my tplink

Kindly assist tq..attach is the router

what is the speed of your Internet Plan? 1Gbps plan might not worth for extra speed, unless you plan squeeze all the bandwidth

second, for getting over >1Gbps, GE800 need support 2.5G (HiSGMII), so far, I only have BE800 and BE900 beta firmware to support HiSGMII, for this you need contact TP-Link for the HiSGMII Firmware, if not, it only nego at 1Gbps

However, I still working on to auto detect HiSGMII by default (instead of SGMII)

Hi
Yes i uave 1gps fro. ALLO and would like to increase the bandwith higher as u mention
Wil TP link malaysia provide me with this HiSGMII Firmware as u said? If i call them and ask
What is ur best solution or suggestion i need to do ?
And also is it possible for me to connect a direct fiber cable by pass their modem directly to my sfp+
Im not an IT Pro but i wish to learn and hope there is a solution

I have the TP-LINK Firmware,
If you send a support email,. probably they just send link to my GitHub Wiki.

However, TP-LINK beta firmware is still beta and there are no ETA for stable release, and you need enter 3 command every time turn on the device

Can you please share the firmware and also guide me how to do this
It will be much appreciated if you can help

And also what bout bypassing the nokia modem by Allo to plug the fiber cable directly to my GE800 Router n nt using a switch as well

Or are u saying if i have this tplink firmware i cam do that bypass?

This post has been edited by twiggy0: May 14 2024, 05:05 PM