just prepare workshop no. spare part seller no. tow car no.

My relative bought this 308 used. Few months later breakdown now sitting at home.

Sigh. This is the hard truth about Peugeot. But love is blind. I have fallen in love with the 308. I hate myself for this 😂

I’m curious, it the T7 model or the T9?

Ok lor, scratch that itch and just hope it doesn't become a rash or scab! 😄

This I not sure

This is not even a joke..
I remembered a ktard showed us the list of car towings, workshops numbers saved in his hp.. full of the screen and he said there is more lol.
I think its boy96, driving a ford fiesta. And from what i read, pegeot is much worse in terms of reliability.

Humans... Lol. Love really is blind.

i rather drive a car I LOVE than a car OTHER people said is reliable

just noticed u mentioned your location i can intro sales guy i just bought secondhand car from

This post has been edited by JungWoo: Feb 23 2022, 10:00 AM

no problem. provided u got spare transportation like a bike

depends on individual lifestyle. im not heavily rely on car since wfh

He got both Ford and Peugeot

Just buy from Carsome. Problem solved

Oh no double whammy

Can't love something sitting in the workshop unable to clock smiles per gallon!

Yes I say that despite owning a "delicate" car

To me reliability is relative. In physics, statistics, quality engineering, etc... reliability is totally different definition as quality. They should be treated separately, but 90% of people mix them up.

We have capacity of the component/system (~quality) vs the component/system set to operate in (~load), how long does it last vs designed life time (reliability)?

For a high performance component that designed to last 2 years, it fails after 3 years under designed load. That's good quality and good reliability
For a low performance component that designed to last 10 years, it fails after 5 years under designed load. That's poor quality and poor reliability

But people only see the 3 and 5 years when the component fails, call the 3 years not reliable.

Designed load is also a key. Car that target average consumer A -> B, barely see 3000rpm vs fun car that see redline and hard corner all the time.
Econobox can have tonnes to software to prevent drive from doing stupid things, and tune the engine/transmission to run a lower load relative to the potential capacity.
Econobox drivers also tends to less fussy about handling (I know some the King owners don't agree), mostly suspension no sound = good. Car enthusiasts, can tell the shock support is not good, or the rubber of ball joins worn out from the handling. Then they replace early.

It is not apple-to-apple comparison. If we set same conditions, put all cars at their redline the most reliable car brand is probably Porsche... LOL.

See below, they talking about the engine load at % of their capacity.

You may jump to 10:40 - M3 Taxi vs M6 GT3


This post has been edited by constant_weight: Feb 23 2022, 06:32 PM

I understand what you mean, in that case let's just say Peugeot cars did not surpassed the average expectancy of most car owners.
The average expectancy are born from comparison between other makes with the same intended usage product.

Its simple,
Peugeot econobox - compared let's say japanese econobox honda, the P breaks down more than the H for the same driving conditions when usage are the same.
Even when comparing peugeot econobox (less stressful, less extreme usage) compared with honda performance cars (much more aggressive driving), the P will still break down more, stock to stock.

If you tell a buyer your econobox car is very reliable because the parts used / system are designed for 1 year, but it averagely lasted 2 years....but you can get another different car with same performance, for the same price but will last 10 years, guess which car will be more popular?

This post has been edited by Balanced: Feb 23 2022, 06:52 PM

But we are sampling from my friend, my friend's friend, your friend etc. Do we collect large enough sample size throughout the country and globally that is statistically significant, and have an empirical value?

component 1 failure rate is x% over 1 year, y% over 2 years, z% over 3 year, then plot the trend of side by side for P and H? We don't

On top of that is another big reason to skew the perspective. The Peugeot parts are generally more expensive. Same failure on H is general wear and tear, the P fail one time the owners jump and complain over and over again, that goes the perception. Cost to fix for T and H are definitely lower, with tonnes of 3rd party, recond, even recond 3rd party parts available.

Not through friends, can read annual consumers reports, recalls, bulletins etc.

You can try to rephrase it all you want man..

Did you subscribe to the paid detail report?

If yes, I'm sorry. If no, you need to look past the headline summary figured.

I strongly encourage you to research how the data is compiled. It helps you to really understand the context of data.

Otherwise you can read for another decade and don't understand how it works.