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A converted civic FD2 to FD2R, Asking opinion
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TSNapalm_man
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Jan 20 2022, 11:57 PM, updated 4y ago
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Greetings car taiko2
So i came across a few civic FD almost fully converted to FD2R, should i said salin ckd halfcut FD2R plus the interior also. Really interested about these converted FD since they are way cheaper than the original FD2R even for the fully converted FD.
Since i am a pit crew, a lot of FD2 in MCS are not real FD2R, the chassis are from FD1/2. They only stripped the interior, installed rollcage, full bucketseat, modified K20 and gearbox with ratio plus full lock LSD etc. Then i look at the timing, a lot of them clocked an amazing time like 2:3x.
Question is, how does it really feels like driving the original FD2R vs the converted FD2R? I mean like really pushing the car instead of chill driving. And is it really worth it if i just buy a converted FD2R instead of the original FD2R?
This post has been edited by Napalm_man: Jan 20 2022, 11:59 PM
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TSNapalm_man
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Jan 21 2022, 08:55 AM
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QUOTE(Balanced @ Jan 21 2022, 01:10 AM) lap time shows it still clock very good time, so you got your answer there I guess? I'm also driving a fully converted Civic type R. But civic ES with all DC5 type R halfcut goodies. Nice mod bro, yea their timing are superb but think again, the chassis probably spot welded(high possible and expensive to do so i heard) plus rollcage, makes the car super rigid and that is one of the reason why they get great timing. Compare these track cars, well we both know it's not fair. Anyway, thanks for your opinion, really appreciate it.
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TSNapalm_man
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Jan 21 2022, 08:57 AM
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QUOTE(trex9999 @ Jan 21 2022, 04:12 AM) If you don’t mind a converted car, why not? Mine is only an EK3 converted to EK9. All time and effort spent building from stock was priceless. Learnt so much from a lot of ppl during the process. Lol since my honda jazz gk also converted to fit gk, also salin ckd halfcut from fit gk rs. Honestly i don't really mind since no one will "Hey pop the hood, i want to see if your civic is original type r", btw i also have huge crush on ek9 type r, probably because we're 80's 90's baby lol.
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TSNapalm_man
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Jan 21 2022, 09:01 AM
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QUOTE(THE CLASS OF 13 @ Jan 21 2022, 08:42 AM) unless if you are a purist.. but then there is lot of different in chasis only..especially for street use You mean by exterior?
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TSNapalm_man
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Jan 21 2022, 09:11 AM
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QUOTE(THE CLASS OF 13 @ Jan 21 2022, 09:07 AM) chassis rigidity different bro..fd1/2 converted otr no roll cage. not like those mcs car ady.. Oh man...that is the thing, you were right about those MCS car with rollcage. Can you tell how huge is the difference for the chassis rigidity?
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TSNapalm_man
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Jan 21 2022, 10:18 AM
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QUOTE(unitron @ Jan 21 2022, 09:40 AM) Passenger opinion ok? I didn't dare drive my friends and mechanic/tuner customers FD2Rs.. scare anything happen i have to pay An FD2R feels like a regular FD when driven at normal everyday speed. Even after tuning (properly done) Pushing it was  . Didn't have any friends with converted FD, so can't really comment. But if done properly, should be just as good. For the done properly parts, i didn't ask much but i do heard if usual FD done stitch welding or chassis reinforce so they said, the feeling aren't much different from the original type r. And i also heard these chassis reinforcing job are really really expensive.
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TSNapalm_man
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Jan 21 2022, 10:19 AM
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QUOTE(Balanced @ Jan 21 2022, 09:43 AM) My car was converted by previous owner. He told me after converted the civic es body is flexing quite a bit during aggresive driving. So he adds on full set ultra racing bar. Now this car feels much more rigid compared to normal everyday cars to me. Car also comes with toyo R1R tires which are super gripper and stiff sidewalls, so i assumed he really does take cornering like a madman lol. I did thought about adding some bars like ultra racing or the famous and expensive cusco, but wouldn't these bars would add more weight?
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TSNapalm_man
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Jan 21 2022, 10:22 AM
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QUOTE(Mysagavvt @ Jan 21 2022, 09:56 AM) as long as the conversion took everything from the front and the rear of the donor car and it's done properly, you will get at least 90% of the type r feel.... good enough for fast road use and hillclimbs, but if you're chasing seconds, nothing beats the original Oh well, unfortunately i am the type that chasing seconds in track. Not really going for kanjo/touge anymore, sudah tua But think again, the price for FD2R increased so much already, dug a big hole in my financial if i really getting the original FD2R...
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TSNapalm_man
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Jan 21 2022, 10:34 AM
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QUOTE(6UE5T @ Jan 21 2022, 10:26 AM) As a passenger, I find FD2R was much stiffer while normal FD1/2 were much more compliant and comfortable but I also never rode in converted ones yet. Of course wheels and suspension play a big part in the difference aside from the chassis stiffness. I guess if the converted ones have enough additional chassis bracing and similar stiff suspension setup then they might also perform maybe up to 80% of the real FD2R. Whether that's goid enough for the money then up to the buyer. Since i was a pit crew, i did drove the non type r FD track car and the feeling is well, like track car, clunky and noisy and stiff and uncomfortable. As for the original FD2R, i never drove a heavily modified, i only drive a lightly modified with BCBR adjustable, usual 17" rim with AD08 and a j's racing muffler. The feeling is seriously WOW, really turned me on lmao. I also driven the normal FD1/2, well it feels like a usual family car. But I just never drover a converted FD2R yet, which is why i open a discussion with all of you guys here.
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TSNapalm_man
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Jan 21 2022, 12:12 PM
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QUOTE(6UE5T @ Jan 21 2022, 10:59 AM) I guess you just test drive some and see if you are ok with it. As I said, my guess is on street driving, it would probably gets close enough up to 80% of the real thing provided the conversion done well. Lol i really want a test drive for the converted but i don't think i can feel the difference while cruising, and i also don't think it's a nice idea for me to praanggg the car while test drive. It's a gamble, i agreed with you that street driving won't be much different.
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TSNapalm_man
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Jan 21 2022, 12:14 PM
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QUOTE(THE CLASS OF 13 @ Jan 21 2022, 11:15 AM) for me on track and road surely huge different..sumore not like chasis bracing or ayam roll cage..rollcage approved by fia is another lvl already.. I never driven those FD trackcar with expensive rollcage in, but the usual FIA approved already clunky and stiff as hell.
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TSNapalm_man
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Jan 21 2022, 12:16 PM
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QUOTE(trex9999 @ Jan 21 2022, 11:21 AM) Nice. 6MT huh? I mod a lot, but leaving the engine out of it, too old to convert another engine lol, and the cost is so expensive to justify haha. Yeap 6MT, lol since not much manual jazz left on the street especially the last jazz. For the L15B engine, i don't have any plan for that but i do have plan for ogura clutch, ratio and 1.5 LSD. Honestly, the convert cost for that little jazz can reached almost 30k+ for fully convert, only the chassis is made in Melaka.
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TSNapalm_man
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Jan 21 2022, 12:20 PM
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QUOTE(kdr93 @ Jan 21 2022, 11:45 AM) Wouldnt a stock FD2R vome with additional bracing/ chasis strengthening from factory 🤔 If add on full roll cage then maybe no difference, but if street version, i suppose will have some chassis stiffness difference, right ? As per our friend here, the FD2R chassis are stiffer than the usual FD, so i guess the chassis have some spot or stitch weld from factory. For full rollcage, depends on what kind of rollcage. If those cusco rollcage, i never drive them so i can't comment anything. But for those track use rollcage, the difference is obvious even for a non type r FD chassis.
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TSNapalm_man
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Jan 23 2022, 10:58 PM
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QUOTE(6UE5T @ Jan 21 2022, 12:51 PM) If you're serious about time attack then I agree with bro Quazacolt to just buy the real deal. Because at the end of the day, even if you manage good lap times in a Tipu R, there will always that lingering thoughts at the back of your mind asking whether you could've gone even quicker with the real thing. Hence you'd probably regret buying a Tipu R. Plus the pride and satisfaction of owning the real thing is irreplacable IMHO, that's why I also never interested in converted Evos no matter what. God damn you're right, i guess we those who serious about time attack are just different from others.
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TSNapalm_man
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Jan 23 2022, 10:58 PM
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QUOTE(unitron @ Jan 21 2022, 01:26 PM) In the end will always kena potong by Myvi anyway right  Gotta respect the king right?
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TSNapalm_man
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Jan 23 2022, 11:00 PM
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QUOTE(Mysagavvt @ Jan 23 2022, 12:40 PM) if you're gonna be chasing seconds, then get a proper cage..... that will settle the chassis flex if the cage is porperly built and anchored another alternative is to stitch weld the chassis, but u gotta check if it's legal to do that..... u don't want to have problems later when selling off the car...... but no matter what you do, a proper cage is the best when it comes to chasing seconds Rollcage 100% confirmed is illegal in Malaysia, but i always wonder how much is the cost for stitch weld? Heard some said if done super properly, the chassis would be almost like 95% type r.
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TSNapalm_man
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Jan 24 2022, 08:42 AM
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QUOTE(Mysagavvt @ Jan 24 2022, 08:03 AM) That might also be illegal..... Chassis modifications are illegal according to jpj But how do the JPJ know if we done stitch weld to our chassis? Since later the car will be covered by carpet UNLESS the owner want their car stripped naked like trackcar and daily drive it, which is super risky if you ask me...
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TSNapalm_man
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Jan 24 2022, 09:56 AM
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QUOTE(Mysagavvt @ Jan 24 2022, 09:43 AM) u will have a problem at puspacom when u try to sell the car Now this is some serious shit going on there, i guess if i ever bought and stitch weld the car, well then till death do us apart...
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TSNapalm_man
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Jan 24 2022, 10:02 AM
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jan 24 2022, 09:47 AM) Man, come to think of it, better get the original type r instead especially a guy like me who love going to track.
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TSNapalm_man
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Jan 24 2022, 11:16 PM
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QUOTE(ktek @ Jan 24 2022, 07:53 PM) Starting with helping a friend, his network starting to grow and he decided to count me in as his communication/pit manager. It's fun, and i love every second of it.
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