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A converted civic FD2 to FD2R, Asking opinion
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TSNapalm_man
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Jan 20 2022, 11:57 PM, updated 4y ago
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Greetings car taiko2
So i came across a few civic FD almost fully converted to FD2R, should i said salin ckd halfcut FD2R plus the interior also. Really interested about these converted FD since they are way cheaper than the original FD2R even for the fully converted FD.
Since i am a pit crew, a lot of FD2 in MCS are not real FD2R, the chassis are from FD1/2. They only stripped the interior, installed rollcage, full bucketseat, modified K20 and gearbox with ratio plus full lock LSD etc. Then i look at the timing, a lot of them clocked an amazing time like 2:3x.
Question is, how does it really feels like driving the original FD2R vs the converted FD2R? I mean like really pushing the car instead of chill driving. And is it really worth it if i just buy a converted FD2R instead of the original FD2R?
This post has been edited by Napalm_man: Jan 20 2022, 11:59 PM
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Balanced
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Jan 21 2022, 01:10 AM
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QUOTE(Napalm_man @ Jan 20 2022, 11:57 PM) Greetings car taiko2 So i came across a few civic FD almost fully converted to FD2R, should i said salin ckd halfcut FD2R plus the interior also. Really interested about these converted FD since they are way cheaper than the original FD2R even for the fully converted FD. Since i am a pit crew, a lot of FD2 in MCS are not real FD2R, the chassis are from FD1/2. They only stripped the interior, installed rollcage, full bucketseat, modified K20 and gearbox with ratio plus full lock LSD etc. Then i look at the timing, a lot of them clocked an amazing time like 2:3x. Question is, how does it really feels like driving the original FD2R vs the converted FD2R? I mean like really pushing the car instead of chill driving. And is it really worth it if i just buy a converted FD2R instead of the original FD2R? lap time shows it still clock very good time, so you got your answer there I guess? I'm also driving a fully converted Civic type R. But civic ES with all DC5 type R halfcut goodies.
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trex9999
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Jan 21 2022, 04:12 AM
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If you don’t mind a converted car, why not? Mine is only an EK3 converted to EK9. All time and effort spent building from stock was priceless. Learnt so much from a lot of ppl during the process.
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THE CLASS OF 13
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Jan 21 2022, 08:42 AM
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unless if you are a purist..
but then there is lot of different in chasis only..especially for street use
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TSNapalm_man
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Jan 21 2022, 08:55 AM
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QUOTE(Balanced @ Jan 21 2022, 01:10 AM) lap time shows it still clock very good time, so you got your answer there I guess? I'm also driving a fully converted Civic type R. But civic ES with all DC5 type R halfcut goodies. Nice mod bro, yea their timing are superb but think again, the chassis probably spot welded(high possible and expensive to do so i heard) plus rollcage, makes the car super rigid and that is one of the reason why they get great timing. Compare these track cars, well we both know it's not fair. Anyway, thanks for your opinion, really appreciate it.
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TSNapalm_man
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Jan 21 2022, 08:57 AM
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QUOTE(trex9999 @ Jan 21 2022, 04:12 AM) If you don’t mind a converted car, why not? Mine is only an EK3 converted to EK9. All time and effort spent building from stock was priceless. Learnt so much from a lot of ppl during the process. Lol since my honda jazz gk also converted to fit gk, also salin ckd halfcut from fit gk rs. Honestly i don't really mind since no one will "Hey pop the hood, i want to see if your civic is original type r", btw i also have huge crush on ek9 type r, probably because we're 80's 90's baby lol.
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TSNapalm_man
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Jan 21 2022, 09:01 AM
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QUOTE(THE CLASS OF 13 @ Jan 21 2022, 08:42 AM) unless if you are a purist.. but then there is lot of different in chasis only..especially for street use You mean by exterior?
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THE CLASS OF 13
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Jan 21 2022, 09:07 AM
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QUOTE(Napalm_man @ Jan 21 2022, 09:01 AM) chassis rigidity different bro..fd1/2 converted otr no roll cage. not like those mcs car ady..
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TSNapalm_man
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Jan 21 2022, 09:11 AM
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QUOTE(THE CLASS OF 13 @ Jan 21 2022, 09:07 AM) chassis rigidity different bro..fd1/2 converted otr no roll cage. not like those mcs car ady.. Oh man...that is the thing, you were right about those MCS car with rollcage. Can you tell how huge is the difference for the chassis rigidity?
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unitron
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Jan 21 2022, 09:40 AM
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QUOTE(Napalm_man @ Jan 20 2022, 11:57 PM) Question is, how does it really feels like driving the original FD2R vs the converted FD2R? I mean like really pushing the car instead of chill driving. And is it really worth it if i just buy a converted FD2R instead of the original FD2R? Passenger opinion ok? I didn't dare drive my friends and mechanic/tuner customers FD2Rs.. scare anything happen i have to pay An FD2R feels like a regular FD when driven at normal everyday speed. Even after tuning (properly done) Pushing it was  . Didn't have any friends with converted FD, so can't really comment. But if done properly, should be just as good.
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Balanced
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Jan 21 2022, 09:43 AM
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QUOTE(Napalm_man @ Jan 21 2022, 09:11 AM) Oh man...that is the thing, you were right about those MCS car with rollcage. Can you tell how huge is the difference for the chassis rigidity? My car was converted by previous owner. He told me after converted the civic es body is flexing quite a bit during aggresive driving. So he adds on full set ultra racing bar. Now this car feels much more rigid compared to normal everyday cars to me. Car also comes with toyo R1R tires which are super gripper and stiff sidewalls, so i assumed he really does take cornering like a madman lol.
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Mysagavvt
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Jan 21 2022, 09:56 AM
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QUOTE(Napalm_man @ Jan 20 2022, 11:57 PM) Greetings car taiko2 So i came across a few civic FD almost fully converted to FD2R, should i said salin ckd halfcut FD2R plus the interior also. Really interested about these converted FD since they are way cheaper than the original FD2R even for the fully converted FD. Since i am a pit crew, a lot of FD2 in MCS are not real FD2R, the chassis are from FD1/2. They only stripped the interior, installed rollcage, full bucketseat, modified K20 and gearbox with ratio plus full lock LSD etc. Then i look at the timing, a lot of them clocked an amazing time like 2:3x. Question is, how does it really feels like driving the original FD2R vs the converted FD2R? I mean like really pushing the car instead of chill driving. And is it really worth it if i just buy a converted FD2R instead of the original FD2R? as long as the conversion took everything from the front and the rear of the donor car and it's done properly, you will get at least 90% of the type r feel.... good enough for fast road use and hillclimbs, but if you're chasing seconds, nothing beats the original
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TSNapalm_man
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Jan 21 2022, 10:18 AM
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QUOTE(unitron @ Jan 21 2022, 09:40 AM) Passenger opinion ok? I didn't dare drive my friends and mechanic/tuner customers FD2Rs.. scare anything happen i have to pay An FD2R feels like a regular FD when driven at normal everyday speed. Even after tuning (properly done) Pushing it was  . Didn't have any friends with converted FD, so can't really comment. But if done properly, should be just as good. For the done properly parts, i didn't ask much but i do heard if usual FD done stitch welding or chassis reinforce so they said, the feeling aren't much different from the original type r. And i also heard these chassis reinforcing job are really really expensive.
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TSNapalm_man
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Jan 21 2022, 10:19 AM
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QUOTE(Balanced @ Jan 21 2022, 09:43 AM) My car was converted by previous owner. He told me after converted the civic es body is flexing quite a bit during aggresive driving. So he adds on full set ultra racing bar. Now this car feels much more rigid compared to normal everyday cars to me. Car also comes with toyo R1R tires which are super gripper and stiff sidewalls, so i assumed he really does take cornering like a madman lol. I did thought about adding some bars like ultra racing or the famous and expensive cusco, but wouldn't these bars would add more weight?
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TSNapalm_man
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Jan 21 2022, 10:22 AM
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QUOTE(Mysagavvt @ Jan 21 2022, 09:56 AM) as long as the conversion took everything from the front and the rear of the donor car and it's done properly, you will get at least 90% of the type r feel.... good enough for fast road use and hillclimbs, but if you're chasing seconds, nothing beats the original Oh well, unfortunately i am the type that chasing seconds in track. Not really going for kanjo/touge anymore, sudah tua But think again, the price for FD2R increased so much already, dug a big hole in my financial if i really getting the original FD2R...
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6UE5T
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Jan 21 2022, 10:26 AM
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QUOTE(unitron @ Jan 21 2022, 09:40 AM) Passenger opinion ok? I didn't dare drive my friends and mechanic/tuner customers FD2Rs.. scare anything happen i have to pay An FD2R feels like a regular FD when driven at normal everyday speed. Even after tuning (properly done) Pushing it was  . Didn't have any friends with converted FD, so can't really comment. But if done properly, should be just as good. As a passenger, I find FD2R was much stiffer while normal FD1/2 were much more compliant and comfortable but I also never rode in converted ones yet. Of course wheels and suspension play a big part in the difference aside from the chassis stiffness. I guess if the converted ones have enough additional chassis bracing and similar stiff suspension setup then they might also perform maybe up to 80% of the real FD2R. Whether that's goid enough for the money then up to the buyer.
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Thrust
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Jan 21 2022, 10:33 AM
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QUOTE(Balanced @ Jan 21 2022, 01:10 AM) lap time shows it still clock very good time, so you got your answer there I guess? I'm also driving a fully converted Civic type R. But civic ES with all DC5 type R halfcut goodies. There was never really a launched Civic ES with a Type R label on it lor. Your Civic should be called Civic ES modded with DC5R engine. If it was an FD, then can say it was converted to FD2R because they share the similar traits. However, converted Type R will never have the chassis rigidity of an original Type R. Same goes for EK and FC. This post has been edited by Thrust: Jan 21 2022, 11:39 AM
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TSNapalm_man
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Jan 21 2022, 10:34 AM
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QUOTE(6UE5T @ Jan 21 2022, 10:26 AM) As a passenger, I find FD2R was much stiffer while normal FD1/2 were much more compliant and comfortable but I also never rode in converted ones yet. Of course wheels and suspension play a big part in the difference aside from the chassis stiffness. I guess if the converted ones have enough additional chassis bracing and similar stiff suspension setup then they might also perform maybe up to 80% of the real FD2R. Whether that's goid enough for the money then up to the buyer. Since i was a pit crew, i did drove the non type r FD track car and the feeling is well, like track car, clunky and noisy and stiff and uncomfortable. As for the original FD2R, i never drove a heavily modified, i only drive a lightly modified with BCBR adjustable, usual 17" rim with AD08 and a j's racing muffler. The feeling is seriously WOW, really turned me on lmao. I also driven the normal FD1/2, well it feels like a usual family car. But I just never drover a converted FD2R yet, which is why i open a discussion with all of you guys here.
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6UE5T
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Jan 21 2022, 10:59 AM
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QUOTE(Napalm_man @ Jan 21 2022, 10:34 AM) Since i was a pit crew, i did drove the non type r FD track car and the feeling is well, like track car, clunky and noisy and stiff and uncomfortable. As for the original FD2R, i never drove a heavily modified, i only drive a lightly modified with BCBR adjustable, usual 17" rim with AD08 and a j's racing muffler. The feeling is seriously WOW, really turned me on lmao. I also driven the normal FD1/2, well it feels like a usual family car. But I just never drover a converted FD2R yet, which is why i open a discussion with all of you guys here. I guess you just test drive some and see if you are ok with it. As I said, my guess is on street driving, it would probably gets close enough up to 80% of the real thing provided the conversion done well.
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THE CLASS OF 13
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Jan 21 2022, 11:15 AM
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QUOTE(Napalm_man @ Jan 21 2022, 09:11 AM) Oh man...that is the thing, you were right about those MCS car with rollcage. Can you tell how huge is the difference for the chassis rigidity? for me on track and road surely huge different..sumore not like chasis bracing or ayam roll cage..rollcage approved by fia is another lvl already..
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