If you are prepared, then very good! Else he will be a fat boy

I think big portion of the reason is because the GR is a male dog. He's sked that the GR will take over his territory. Coz ar .. my friend took her maltese here (female) .. hepy neva bark at all. Then once my other friend brought her female shih tzu here but hepy neva bark at all. Hepy was hyper and super friendly to them.

Maybe stranger punya pasal.

Hey, where did you bought your cage ah? RM90 right? I went to PetFamily just now, they are selling RM219. I'm not sure the exact measurement, it looks similar the one you are using.

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Added on September 21, 2007, 5:27 pmI'm afraid the pup fainted only, 6KM daily can ah?

This post has been edited by zeist: Sep 21 2007, 05:27 PM

u walk to the left of petfamily u can see a food court,then opposite the food court u can c petbuddy..

zeist:u cant bring ur pup go out walk yet cause it havent take the 3rd jab..just play with him/her alot in the house..

This post has been edited by NewbieBetta: Sep 21 2007, 05:28 PM

wa wa ... newbie~ xpert oledi ar ...after hav a temporary ownership ...
HaHaHa... shud hav change it to oldbie ~ lol~

No, it is not that he doesn't like the GR, probably both dogs have not been properly socialized. That's all, nothing a few more gatherings cannot cure

I'm ready.

Yea, thanks for the info.

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Added on September 21, 2007, 5:39 pmTaman Megah? Waaa, Pet shop war ah? Two pet shops nearby each other, 'PetBuddy'.

Thanks for the wonderful info.




This post has been edited by zeist: Sep 21 2007, 05:41 PM

haha..erm..mod..can i change my nickname?dont puji me eh..i will fly up then duno how to come down..haha

we sorta have a misconception about orijen/evo methinks, 40% protein sounds a whole lot more than 26% (my current food) but at the same time you're supposed to feed 30% less, no? Total protein intake is then only 28% which is more or less the same!
i only forsee these problems:
1) allergies (always possible when switching to new food)
2) diarrhea and indigestion (due to lack of grain and possibly beet pulp - my two furkids could not take california)
3) the 'kenyang' factor, no fillers so eat less... imagine if your meals were 30% smaller

This post has been edited by madmoz: Sep 21 2007, 05:45 PM

dun worrie ... i will get a gun n shoot u down if u fly too high ... lol ~
so sudden ... few days din on9... den bebe turn toro oledi ... aiKzzz...
den V2 turn V3 oledi ... shnauzer treat reli so efficeint ... lol~

orijen has a whole lot more carb la i think..coz it contains mainly of meat..
use your own body and visualize, what would happen if u take meat everyday but don exercise?? obviously it would turn into fat and make you obese right..unless like kimmie la, u feed your puppy only one meal per day..

and i think puppy around 3 months old can start taking hard food dy if u think their teeth are ready la..coz my vet and a few other dog owners actually told me feeding them hard food would reduce the tartar build up and less bacteria would accumulate in their mouth and the mouth odour would not be as bad as when you feed them wet food...and another problem would also be the food stain lor...if feed wet food then really have to wipe their mouth very often...

Thanks for the wonderful info.

jenny ... kinda pro oledi oso ... HeHe ... should hav go for vet after ur a-level ~ lol~
being the rare female vet in m'sia ... lol~

which is where we might be wrong...
protein comes mainly from meat
carnohydrates come mainly from vegetable and grains...
Both can be used as a dog for energy and also be converted into fat

I'll compare orijen adult with acana adult

Acana Adult

Feeding guideline:
A 50lb dog should be fed 250 - 420g / 2 - 3 1/2 cups

Guaranteed Analysis:
Protein (min.) --- 27.0%
Fat (min.) --- 15.0%
Fiber (max.) --- 2.5 %
Moisture (max.) --- 10.0%
Calcium (min.) --- 1.1%
Phosphorus (min.) --- 1.0 %
Glucosamine (min.) --- 450 mg/kg
Chondroitin (min.) --- 75 mg/kg
Lutein (min.) --- 10 mg/kg *
Vitamin E (min.) --- 300 IU/kg
L-carnitine (min.) --- 250 mg/kg
Omega-6 (min.) --- 2.9 % *
Omega-3 (min.) --- 0.7 % *

Orijen Adult

Feeding guideline:
A 50lb active dog should be fed 275-375g / 2¾ - 3¾ cups. Less active dogs 200 - 275 g / 1¾ - 2½ cups

Guaranteed analysis:
Protein 40.0% (min.)
Fat 16.0% (max.)
Carbohydrate 16.0% (min.)
Moisture 10.0% (max.)
Fiber 3.0% (max.)
Calcium 1.6% (min.)
Phosphorus 1.4% (min.)
Omega-6 2.0% (min.)
Omega-3 0.7% (min.)
Glucosamine 500 mg/kg (min.)
Chondroitin 150 mg/kg (min.)
Microorganisms 40M cfu/kg

Aside from the obvious feeding amounts (orijen almost 65% less for couch potato dogs like mine )
notice that carbohydrate content is not specifically disclosed for Acana (same for Eagle Pack, California Natural and Canidae). However, IINM carbohydrate content in them would be quite high due to the high filler grain content. Interestingly, as Orijen is 30% non meat and has 16% carbohydrates, i would wager that the carboydrate content in the 'grained' foods be much higher.

I am not promoting the use of orijen here (nor have i used high protein foods myself) but could it be that the higher protein content is offset by lower carbohydrate content? Perhaps we are being 'conditioned' by pet food manufacturers to avoid high protein foods?

This post has been edited by madmoz: Sep 21 2007, 06:25 PM

i bought from Pets Safari promotional price at Rm 100. Original price is RM 150.

But Hepy doesn't do that on my friend's female shih tzu and female maltese. He's hyper and super friendly towards the two. And when I brought him to the BU park, he was super friendly too ... kept sniffing copper and played with someone's MS (male). I think it's mostly due to the territorial thingy.

a lot of female vets in Malaysia dude...

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interestingly Acana's Omega 6 and Omega 3 percentage is a lot higher than Orijen...

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heheh then hepy = buaya dog!
Siu Kat likes Golden Retrievers, Siu Wan likes Rottweilers
Both don't seem to get along with dogs their own size!

well from my experience with mikey la...he cant even finish 100g in a day, so those measurements are jus guidelines for you to follow...like humans, dogs many have different levels of metabolism as well...

if your dog don get enough exercise, then either way he will get overweight...if u feed your dog too much protein, its jus gonna store more and more in their body...in the end also turns into fats...

i tried following the guidelines but it jus don work for me because my furkid is small in size and i cant be forcing him to swallow everything i feed him right...so i jus gv him the proportion of food that i think is suitable for him based on how much he usually leaves behind when i gv too much...

50 pounds approximately equals 23 kilos...
Acana (since we are non 40% protein users )
23 kilos = 250 grams
Siu Kat = 8 kilos = 86 grams...

that's double what he is getting now!!! I am sure he will finish it, but he is at the ideal wieght now!
perhaps they want us to feed more, then have to buy more

Nice price, thanks.

I thought if you are not feeding acana, then you shouldn't use acana's guideline??