I tried not to be drawn into this argument but my resistance proved futile. I like both of them for different reasons. Vidic is more straightforward and no nonsense, much like our Carra. Agger on the other hand has a better touch and plays the ball more ala Alan Hansen. Both can score, Vidic with his head and Agger more with his feet. Both have also been prone to errors but with experience, they will only get better. As for who I prefer, I'll go with Agger because I feel he complements the more straight forward Jamie Carragher.

Correct, just like all the other players who like to play the ball more, like Ronaldinho, Messi, Henry, etc. Wonder what they're doing playing for top sides.

No offence taken mate. Opinions of retards don't bother me much. Pick up some facts and then come back.

I'd expect fans to be biased to an extent just like myself. It's ok to think one player is better than the other so long as you have reasons to justify your answer. It's posters like "leotard" with nonsensical answers that piss people off.

There will be a fair degree of biasness but as you can see, some Liverpool fans have admitted that Vidic is at the moment, the better player. I don't see much fighting, do you?

Which is what exactly?

You surely do put up a convincing argument.

If it's his opinion that Agger is a better player whether it be because he is better looking or whatever, let it be. It is a thread for discussion and he made his point. If you disagree, so be it.

Agger hasn't played in enough games to warrant a comparison at this point. When he has played however, he has showed composure on the ball. Defensively, Liverpool has one of the best defences in the league and yet people don't rate Reina, Carra or any of our defenders which baffles me. What is it? Is Lady Luck Scouse? Some may say that a defenders job is purely to defend (i.e. Carra) but a defender can also contribute to the attack. Many attacks start from the back. If a defender is unassured or uncomfortable on the ball, he'll tend to hoof it up the park and possession is lost. If on the other hand, he is composed on the ball, he retains possession. Vidic may be better defensively but I think you have to consider a defenders overall contribution to the game i.e. Roberto Carlos is crap at defending but excellent getting forward.

Vidic vs Agger? Man Utd vs Liverpool? Seems it's a case of this. Well let's look at it this way. You say Terry, Ferdinand, Alex & Carvalho are the best in the league. You didn't mention who the 5th player was so can I assume it's Vidic? If this is the case, how is it we have a defensive record comparable to the other top sides with average defenders like Carra and Agger? Can I assume this is where the argument that we are a defensive team comes into play?

It depends on your definition of a 'defensive team' really. You have teams that pull everyone back into their own half and park the bus in front of the goal, much like what smaller teams do against big sides when playing away. I'd be the first to admit that we did this under Gerard Houllier who was ultra defensive. Under Rafa however, whilst we may play deep, we push players forward when attacking. We look like a 4-5-1 on paper but when we attack, it becomes a 4-3-3, with Torres at the fulcrum of the attack and both Kuyt and Babel on either side of him. Stevie then moves up to play behind Torres. Man Utd have scored 72 goals this season thus far, Arsenal 64 and both Liverpool and Chelsea are on 60, not too far behind.

On the subject of Agger vs. Vidic, I personally think Skrtel is more similar to the Serb.

You may take the piss if you wish but this is true. Kuyt if you watch him play works really hard, tracking back and getting forward depending on the situation. It's easy for you to criticise when you play free flowing attacking football. How many teams do that anyway? To an untrained eye, it's all about how fast a team plays and how many shots they attempt on goal. Look a little deeper and you'll notice there are other points of the game one can enjoy or appreciate. How a team plays often reflects how the manager thinks. Liverpool adopt a rather disciplined and tactical game, reflecting how Rafa approaches the game of football.

To say one is better than the other is like saying an aggressive, headstrong person is better than a cautious, more tactical one. If you ask me, it's about being different and not better.

This post has been edited by Duke Red: Apr 18 2008, 02:18 PM

You are right to say that Skrtel has yet to gel into the existing defensive unit. All it takes is a small lapse in concentration and you will be punished. Defensive units are really fragile and have to really keep their concentration levels high at all times. If you are slow to move up for example, you draw opposition players onside, especially when you play the offside trap. If you are not aware of your fellow defenders, you tend to get into a mixup when going in for challenges, etc. Skrtel has yet to fully adapt but you have to consider that he was thrown into the lions den, given that he came at a crucial part of the season for us. He had to play against you lot and against top sides in Europe, something he wasn't accustomed to at Zenit. Individually however I think he is a powerful, uncompromising defender.