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leftycall9
post Dec 30 2021, 11:55 PM

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QUOTE(Azran1979 @ Dec 30 2021, 10:11 PM)
aku paham cuci kuil atas dasar membantu mangsa banjir. tapi jika kita benarkan saja tanpa statement dari autoriti, dibimbangi adakah boleh juga mencuci kuil jika tidak banjir? ia menimbulkan chain of reaction dan "precedent case" yang menimbulkan kegelisahan masyarakat.
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Bila Sikh kat Gurdwara Sahib Petaling Jaya gabung tenaga with Muslims tolong mangsa banjir isu menimbulkan kegelisahan masyarakat tak timbul.



But here it just about some Muslim kids helped cleaning temple suddenly you become prejudice until saying do they also need to cuci kuil time not banjir? Come on bro. We are in hard time now. Have a heart and understand the meaning of kindness. Not feeding off the bigotry and spread around hatred like this.
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post Dec 30 2021, 11:57 PM

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QUOTE(Optizorb @ Dec 30 2021, 10:47 PM)
ni bukan darthboyzeee punya idola ke.. kan dia selalu suka petik UAI ni..

patut la retard sgt puak2 lebai walaun ni..

jap lagi dia masuk sini protek2 idola dia..
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Dedakboi walaun tu dah kena SUS-ed. Nasib baik.
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post Dec 31 2021, 10:58 AM

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QUOTE(Azran1979 @ Dec 31 2021, 03:45 AM)
by that rationale, you think its ok for muslims to sell alcohol?

its not like they drink it. sell only what.
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Apa kaitan muslim jual alcohol dengan case Muslim tolong cuci kuil lepas banjir?

Abang ni mabuk ke?
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post Dec 31 2021, 11:10 AM

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QUOTE(Henry T @ Dec 31 2021, 07:55 AM)
People like these can preach all they want 24/7, but still fail to be a decent human being.
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If they keep the extremist teaching to themselves it's fine. But the problem is when they start spreading their crooked mindset and gained lots of retard followers like we see in this thread. Thats when the blaming of non believers starts.

Even case tolong cuci kuil je boleh merepek pusing2 to about alcohol selling and same sex marriage. The more you explain to them the more nonsense they come out with. Kuil dah habis cuci masjid dah habis mop but they're the ones that make the most noise about it on and on.
leftycall9
post Jan 1 2022, 01:17 PM

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Why so many butthurt in this thread.

Hello we disagree with this stupid extremist preacher. That's it.
Other races help you when susah,you happily accept. But when kindness return ada je yang panas buntot.

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post Jan 1 2022, 01:25 PM

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QUOTE(rickyro @ Dec 30 2021, 07:40 PM)
That twit mcm sudah deleted edy. So finally these idiots know they are wrong?
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post Jan 1 2022, 01:33 PM

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QUOTE(WindDragon @ Jan 1 2022, 01:23 PM)
Brother, niat is very important for this kind of issue.

Kalau tiada bencana alam, kalau kita sibuk nak cari kuil, gereja etc untuk bersihkan, itu considered syirik.

Kalau bencana alam berlaku dan kita tolong bersihkan semua kawasan yang affected termasuk kuil, temple, gereja, itu tiada masalah. Bergantung pada niat, tiada masalah untuk kita masuk kuil, temple, gereja etc.

Jangan sentuh apa-apa benda yang diorang pakai untuk sembahyang. Itu jer
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From what I've seen those UIA kids just went there to help clean the temple. Highly doubt they did it because they intended to convert or change their faith. Same goes with a bunch Indian who helped mopping the mosque in Klang. But what's up with all this bersangka buruk about their niat till idiot in this thread butthurt saying this kind of act boleh mendatangkan kegelisahan masyarakat?

You don't see this issue when nons helping the Muslims during banjir. Semua elok terima pertolongan dari nons tanpa was was.
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post Jan 1 2022, 01:55 PM

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QUOTE(fist_Aileron @ Jan 1 2022, 01:49 PM)
Its up to you to disagree..especially if you are.non muslim. As a.muslim, it is not allowed as being.said by several.scholars. as for.the.return.of.kindness, we have the.same.thing happened during.the.time of.prophet muhammad S.A.W.. the same return of "kindness" offered.by the non believers.

So yeah, we muslim.just.follow.the islamic.teaching. please dont butthurt if we.dont return.kindness.by cleaning.the.temple. we.can.always.return.it.some.other.ways..
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Those Muslim kids already returned the kindness by cleaning the temple. You nak butthurt dah terlambat. Kuil dah habis cuci masjid dah habis mop. They already did it.
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post Jan 1 2022, 02:02 PM

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QUOTE(WindDragon @ Jan 1 2022, 01:53 PM)
What your point exactly?
What issue you talking about? Got any bersangka buruk happening? Did anyone say anything about the niat of Indians cleaning up mosques?
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Here. Why don't you educate your brother here because when I was trying to explain what those UIA kids were doing he kept on merepek pusing2 about same sex marriage and alcohol selling. Benda takde kaitan but he kept on melalut.
QUOTE(Azran1979 @ Dec 30 2021, 10:01 PM)
cara solat kita pun berbeza dari satu mazhab ke satu mazhab.

mana datangnya perbezaan ni kalau bukan intepretasi hadis dan dalil?

sebab tu kena ada mufti yang sediakan garis panduan bergantung konteks dan situasi.

kalau boleh cuci kuil waktu banjir adakah bermaksud boleh juga cuci kuil jika bukan waktu banjir? dan sebagainya.
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QUOTE(Azran1979 @ Dec 30 2021, 10:11 PM)
itu bukan pointnya.
rasionalnya adalah untuk menjauhi perbuatan yang menjurus kemaksiatan.

aku paham cuci kuil atas dasar membantu mangsa banjir. tapi jika kita benarkan saja tanpa statement dari autoriti, dibimbangi adakah boleh juga mencuci kuil jika tidak banjir? ia menimbulkan chain of reaction dan "precedent case" yang menimbulkan kegelisahan masyarakat.
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QUOTE(Azran1979 @ Dec 31 2021, 03:45 AM)
by that rationale, you think its ok for muslims to sell alcohol?

its not like they drink it. sell only what.
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post Jan 1 2022, 02:57 PM

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QUOTE(WindDragon @ Jan 1 2022, 02:33 PM)
I didn't read the entire 15 pages of this topic.
Anywaysssss......he just said what I just said, except in Bahasa, and he said it in worst case scenario context and in a way that only Muslims can understand fully.

It's not wrong to help clean up in a temple during disaster, but as Muslims, we have to be very clear on our niat, very clear on what we can do, what we cannot do, what we can touch, what we cannot touch, etc etc.

There are limits to what a Muslim can do to help out in temples etc during disaster. But ask yourself, is that really a cause for people to get upset about?
And as a non Muslims, why do they feel the need to push those limits?
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Pushing what limit?
It wasn't me who being upset here then created all this commotion to divide Malaysian community. It's this Muslim preacher and his followers.
Instead of blaming nons why don't you tegur your stupid brother here.

That Azran1979 said it is wrong to help. Didn't you read the replies I quoted? He even said the sin of Muslims cleaning a temple is worst than sin of same sex marriage and this part.
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ia menimbulkan chain of reaction dan "precedent case" yang menimbulkan kegelisahan masyarakat.

Do we really need to express such kind of prejudice when helping those from different faiths? Kegelisahan masyarakat? As in how care to explain to me? When I told him the Sikh did their best as well to help those Muslims in need, suddenly he lashed back about alcohol selling.
So is it nons fault now for helping Muslims first?

That yugimodo Muslim already explained to him as well but he kept on melalut from being syirik to perbankan Islam. Wtf.

 

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