This is a question that I'm not sure that I could find the answer in elitistjerks.com because of the number of pages going on in some of their longer lasting threads (Enhancement Shammy thread is 101 pages long, GG.)

When to use Windfury Totem and when to use Grace of Air Totem. I've not followed the changes pre-BC and even during BC so I'm not sure whether the concerns below are still valid or not.

From the above post, it's in the following scenarios :

Windfury
A DPS warrior is in your group - Will the 20% proc rate cause issues i.e. the crits raising their threat that they pull aggro off a prot warrior who is not in the same group?
A warrior who is tanking is in your group - The 20% proc will increase his threat more? If so, by how much (roughly)?
A warrior is in your group - Repetitive statements.
If no warrior, more than 1 sword rogue is in the group - Why must be more than 1 sword rogue?

Grace of Air
A feral druid tank is in the group (ie, bear... not kitty) - druids do not get buffed by Windfury but by Grace of Air
A prot warrior is in your group on a non threat limited fight with high damage components - because of the 20% proc of Windfury is less uncertain than Grace of Air steady bonus?
Any combination of more than 2 hunter/druids is in the group - Hunters get more damage done with GoA because of agility?

I hear different viewpoints about when to use the above from different parties. Wanted to hear from those who are leading raids or helping with raids. Melee love Windfury Totems but Raid Leaders seem to prefer Grace of Air for tanks to learn fights better and to hold boss better (WF procs, more headache for the tanks to hold aggro). Melee are to have a slow offhand for Windfury - how slow is slow?

I'm looking for different viewpoints and what you guys do both as a raid leader and raider to manage these 2 totems. Especially in the 25-mans where most of the boss mobs are dropping the aggro list.

Enh shammy is alwaz in dps group = WF totem. Nvr a reason to use agi. Generally the idea where threat is an issue is drop TA totem first for the first 10%-20% then followed by wf.

i've nvr started learning the encounter with GOA totem. Is highly unlikely u will get 2 shotted. Its alwaz about the tps u can dish out!

u'll nvr find muti rogue in raiding. And it is very clear that enh shammies are there to buff melee dps not themselves. WF is alwaz the totem to put down. Nothing else.

Discounting the occasional need to use other totems for specfic encounters, the main n only dps totem in melee group is WF. I believe this is what the OP is asking for.There really is no argument here. The dmg gained from wf will exceed the agi totem. This is a stated fact in elitist jerks forums after WF hotfix. Dmg output from 2 rogues + 1 dps warrior will exceed from the gains of the agi totem. If the case is out the very rarely used muti rogues than probably. But the huge portion of raiding rogues are still combat.

When to use Windfury Totem and when to use Grace of Air Totem. I've not followed the changes pre-BC and even during BC so I'm not sure whether the concerns below are still valid or not.

From the above post, it's in the following scenarios :

Windfury
A DPS warrior is in your group - Will the 20% proc rate cause issues i.e. the crits raising their threat that they pull aggro off a prot warrior who is not in the same group?
A warrior who is tanking is in your group - The 20% proc will increase his threat more? If so, by how much (roughly)?
A warrior is in your group - Repetitive statements.
If no warrior, more than 1 sword rogue is in the group - Why must be more than 1 sword rogue?

Grace of Air
A feral druid tank is in the group (ie, bear... not kitty) - druids do not get buffed by Windfury but by Grace of Air
A prot warrior is in your group on a non threat limited fight with high damage components - because of the 20% proc of Windfury is less uncertain than Grace of Air steady bonus?
Any combination of more than 2 hunter/druids is in the group - Hunters get more damage done with GoA because of agility?

dagger rogues especialyl mutilate dagger rogues are like destro locks...
do they dish out high dps.. yes argueable, given the way the encounter works... are they consistent? no... are they the best optimal raid spec especially when learning new encounters? no... do ppl still take them for raids? yeah... but they are in the minority bracket.
and i believe that most ppl are not using combat swords to aim for the twin blades of azzinoth. most would just tkae the sword then respec accordingly. combat swords are used bcos they provide the most consistent dps for any encounter, especially given the nature of how most encounters are now where there are knockbacks, positionings, moving away from danger spots etc

Its not a nerfbat, it was a hotfix that has taken place quite sometime ago. Yes by no means is WF the only available dps totem available but it is THE totem to use in almost every boss encounter i can think of.

Barring clearing BT and having any gear accessible to use, combat is still the way to go in pve progression. My guild rogues n other guild frens have varied their spec and most in the end still take combat swords. The difference in muti spec was such a blatant difference.

Dude the hotfix was ages ago. No procs on specials. I'm not stating the old wf.

Sorry to interrupt but when i was still playing shammy during my old Gruul days i could do more DPS as an enha over muti rogues but i couldnt win combat rogues in DPS. Combat rogues as in both daggers and swords

I had tried putting GoA and WF on different times just to see how much can i catch up with the combat rogues. GoA doesnt really help me much as it only increases my crit %

My group is usually 2 rogues+1 war+1 shaman+1 anything depends on attendance

WF clearly can help buff DPS better than GoA and a shaman buffing himself for DPS isnt going to be very helpful. If you can raid as an enha during my times then you would be consider lucky so do please play your role properly by bringing benefits to the raid instead of trying to increase your own DPS

Of course if your guild rogues in raid are all muti rogues then GoA is more appropriate

enhancement shammies might be able to top dps at the start of their raid days maybe....
but end game raids, i think they'll be shut out by the top four any day

Yeah maybe gear does somehow influence my judgement. When my guild down Gruul, we have well geared combat rogues(Full kara epic+2 arena weapons) while my muti rogue isnt that well gear. He is still wearing some blues but his weapons are prince dagger and scryer dagger. I on the other hand is considered one of the most well geared enha shaman compared to other shaman friends in my server because they arent allowed to raid as enha

Probably this is why my DPS is higher than my muti rogue friends. Our rogues are smart enough not to pull hate from tanks because Gruul top 2 threat needs to be warriors so we had to let them gain threat 1st. We also spend some time bandaging ourselves after Gruul does his rock thingy(i forgot name) therefore allowing our tanks to hold more threat

My point isnt to say my rogues arent mutilating properly that is why i overtake them. I was trying to tell you guys that WF is the ideal totem for most of the encounters. Although i stopped playing i still have contacts with people in my server both ingame and real life which is why i can strongly say WF > GoA

Kurei had explained very well how WF is better than GoA in most cases. I also said if your raid consists of only muti rogues then go ahead with GoA. The only thing is i havent heard of any good rogues in my server spec muti and raid

Quaza is muti rogue supporter. Down with him!