Wow, really looks more expensive than it is. Its a beauty. The new range of proton cars are all so nice, i particularly love the Gen2. Kudos to LG (they designed this car and the Savvy). After having cursed proton for the past few years, i finally have something nice to say. I hope the BLM's not a let down. But i just wonder how a car that size is gonna run on a 1.3L engine, on automatic transmission and still be fuel economical? I dunno, but if all goes well, i'm booking a white one this mid-year!! YEAH!!!

I guess you're right. If that can power the Gen2 (although a bit under powered) it should power this quite nicely, provided its not too heavy. Sure looks geared up for a proton best-seller.

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Added on January 2, 2008, 5:07 pmTrue. That's why protons have found it difficult penetrating US & European markets. The safety factor. And yes, the little little things that matter. I currently have a waja and the engine is really,really LOUD!! I'd really appreciate if they cut down the engine noise and stop giving silly excuses like- this car is built for sports n all that. Even my 23 year old daihatsu charade's engine is not that loud.

This post has been edited by Suave: Jan 2 2008, 05:07 PM

Oh ya, I forgot...

u can't calculate like that. if the car has a larger body, it'll need a larger engine capacity to power it. if u put a 1.3L engine in a car that's too heavy it'll end up a bigger drinker than if u put a 1.6L engine cos the engine is working extra hard to push the car.

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Added on January 3, 2008, 9:01 ami think the H-Line should have 2 airbags la, like the persona. they'll probably have 3 ranges of cars, the lowest with no airbags, the mid with 1 driver's airbag and the high with 2 airbags. at least i hope la.

This post has been edited by Suave: Jan 3 2008, 09:01 AM

not race la. its all about FC now, cos petrol price won't remain the same anymore =( but in order for the FC to be good, the engine must be powerful enough.

In that case this is bad. They really are not doing enough about safety, as good as the car looks.

Wow!! Bravo, bro. How did u manage to get that?? Very useful info... a bit hard to see, but very useful.

Forumer Quasar posted the specs out on the thread. I tried to look at it but its a bit small. I'll go to proton edar n get it later today.

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Added on January 4, 2008, 9:22 amThis was designed by Koreans... But i think its a really decent, inoffensive, professional business like, simple no-nonsense design. Very much like what a daewoo used to look like. Well done Proton this time, for not being so arrogant and refusing to ask for help. I suppose they did learn from their mistakes after all. And no, I'm not a proton fan. Just saying from a neutral point of view. Give credit where its due.

This post has been edited by Suave: Jan 4 2008, 10:17 AM

me too!!

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Added on January 6, 2008, 8:51 pmwhat's nice then? i don't think the city, vios accent or latio are any better at all... and u have to pay so much more for them. Ok la, city not too bad la, at least...

This post has been edited by Suave: Jan 6 2008, 08:51 PM

Its personal preference...

I still can never understand these things myself

1) Honda City is beautiful???? wtf...??
2) The Interior of Vios is cool! ??? huh?? no kidding.........
3) The Latio is physically nice...... ok.......

And if i'm going to say hyundai designs are good (because frankly I really think they are) - i'll probably get shot.

So you see..... beauty is subjective - else fat girls will never marry - but they do marry... so see??

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Well said old chum! but i do think, as subjective as it is, there are some universal guidelines to beauty, don't u think? for instance when a pretty girl walks past, 2 guys don't really have to explain it to each other but they know it when they see it.

If any engineer out there dun mind helping just a little, actually how does this VIM work? is it supposed to be like variable valve timing? i really hate it when car companies come up with fancy names and abbreviations that don't mean anything to us ordinary ppl, and they don't bother to explain...

[quote=mockv1per,Jan 7 2008, 01:08 PM]
In addition to the basic DOHC engine, Proton developed its own variable valve timing technology that works similar with other variable valve technologies such as Honda VTEC and Toyota VVTi, named as CPS (Cam Profile Switching) technology. The usage of CPS tehnology will raise the maximum power up to about 127 bhp and will improve the low-end torque to its maximum value which will maintain until about 5,000 rpm.[1] The technology is said to be applied to newer Gen-2s and future models starting from the end of 2005, but both technologies will only be debuted in the facelifted 2008 Proton Gen-2[2][3].

The Intake Air Fuel Module for the Proton Campro engine is now ready, and is only awaiting Proton's green light to begin production. This new IAFM is a basically a variable geometry intake system, developed under a joint fast track programme which began in April 2005 by EPMB, Bosch and Proton.

We first heard of it back in October 2006 where it was still in advanced tooling stages, and ever since then everyone has been eagerly awaiting for the first Campros to roll out with the new air fuel module. The IAFM varies intake manifold length to suit different engine conditions - a short runner length for high revs and a long and narrower runner length for low revs.

If designed properly, this can enhance an engine's torque curve and also help improve the combustion process, making the engine more fuel efficient. This is much-needed with the current Campro engine, which has rather relatively low torque at low to medium engine speeds. The IAFM can be fitted to both Campro 1.3 liter and 1.6 liter engines. The new intake manifold is made of reinforced high thermal plastic which is lighter than the current Campro's aluminium intake manifold

source: wikipedia

I see. thanks for the explanation. So the IAFM is not VVT. I take it that the CPS technology is not, or will not be used in the BLM? Or is the IAFM supposed to be the fuel economy system in place of the CPS for the BLM?

Its going to be called Saga. BLM is just a codename- Base Line Model, cos going to be the cheapest n most basic among the proton range of cars. Tyres small? Really? I dunno, looks proportionate to me. Honda city runs on smaller tyres.

heheh... current saga is a 30 year old design. i've got 1 of those... looked ok back all those years in 1991. Now i look at it, its so ugly man...

No-Line, Base-Line and Mid-Line

No-Line: Only manual transmission, no airbag/other safety features, and i think no radio/CD player also. No central locking and power windows. 13" wheels, Solid colours only.
Base-Line- Auto and manual transmission, solid/metallic colours, 14" wheels, has all standard features but no air-bag.
Mid-Line- Has one airbag, 4 speakers, solid/metallic colours and everything else the Base-Line has.

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Added on January 9, 2008, 9:28 amUm, how do they calculate the 7 year monthly repayment? Take for example the M-Line solid colour. The OTR price is RM39,500. DP is 10%, so RM4000. Loan repayment should be 35,500/84 months = 422.62.
422.62 + 3.88% interest rate is 439.02.
The price guide shows RM537. I can't seem to reconcile that figure. There's a difference of RM98. The insurance for the 1st year ady included in the 35,500, so could it be they included the insurance payment for subsequent years?

This post has been edited by Suave: Jan 9 2008, 09:35 AM

oh, i see. Thanks!

the auto gear with button on top is nice. by the way some forumer mentioned that the BLM's engine compartment is big. are u thinking what i'm thinking??
Mitsu lancer 1.6 engine can go in!!!

Yeah!! ~~~~

feels like so long.

yep. it sure does. i'd just prefer that they roll the car out a little faster so that ppl can test it, then the rest of us can decide whether we wanna buy it or not...

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Added on January 14, 2008, 12:25 pmi agree. i really love it. i was just hoping the police won't use it for their cars as well.

This post has been edited by Suave: Jan 14 2008, 12:25 PM