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TSJeffery
post Sep 17 2007, 09:27 PM, updated 19y ago

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Hi guys, it'll be alot of work for reading all those threads in the forum while i'm still a noob in digi cam. My sister owned a Canon A95 last time till it was stolen in Austria. She liked the camera alot since it's a semi pro dc.

Guys, can u help me to find a suitable dc and analyze the pros and cons for the dc, pls?

Requirement:

Pro-sumer camera
Preferably using SD card (if possible no XD card which used in Olympus)
At least 5MP or above
Bulky is surprisingly ok for my sister ^^
If possible support wide angle, recording at 640 x 480 30fps (or higher like 720p)
Budget around RM1000 to RM1500
If possible also, able to extend the lens for future enhancement
Battery wise, super preferably AA size battery and the camera must also shoot alot of picture b4 low battery tongue.gif

Brand preferably Canon but not Nikon, Rico, Olympus

Thx for helping rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif

Oh ya, wat's in my mind now is Canon G7, is it ok getting that? The offers are pretty good blush.gif

This post has been edited by Jeffery: Sep 18 2007, 03:03 PM
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post Sep 17 2007, 11:07 PM

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wait G9 comes out or go for S5 IS ..
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post Sep 17 2007, 11:56 PM

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FYI, you are just looking for a P&S camera and not semi-pro or pro cameras that you mentioned. I'd advise you to change the topic.
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post Sep 18 2007, 12:42 AM

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QUOTE(CompMac @ Sep 17 2007, 11:56 PM)
FYI, you are just looking for a P&S camera and not semi-pro or pro cameras that you mentioned. I'd advise you to change the topic.
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Actually my sister wanted a DSLR if the price is ok... smile.gif
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post Sep 18 2007, 12:53 AM

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QUOTE(Jeffery @ Sep 18 2007, 12:42 AM)
Actually my sister wanted a DSLR if the price is ok... smile.gif
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you (or your sister......or both) seem to be pretty confused, or at least your posts so far seem that way.

in your first post you mentioned VIDEO.

and now you want DSLR which doesn't support VIDEO. smile.gif

also, do have a read at this article of mine
http://www.goldfries.com/digitalphotograph...-camera-for-me/
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post Sep 18 2007, 01:23 AM

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QUOTE(goldfries @ Sep 18 2007, 12:53 AM)
you (or your sister......or both) seem to be pretty confused, or at least your posts so far seem that way.

in your first post you mentioned VIDEO.

and now you want DSLR which doesn't support VIDEO. smile.gif

also, do have a read at this article of mine
http://www.goldfries.com/digitalphotograph...-camera-for-me/
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oh.... u c i'm a noob, doesn't know that DSLR does not support video... paiseh biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

If is DSLR how much it cost for a decent one?
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post Sep 18 2007, 09:46 AM

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Cheapest one would be in the range of slightly above RM2000.
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post Sep 18 2007, 10:42 AM

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of course get dSLR la. I dun get it why people dun buy dSLR. Since you're bringing such a bulky stuff, might as well get a dSLR lar. Some more price drop so much. Get 2nd hand if dun have 3k budget smile.gif
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post Sep 18 2007, 03:01 PM

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sorry guys, i dun think we're getting any DSLR.... since the budget is not allowed.... is there any Pro-sumer camera recommended?

Canon G7 or Power Shot S5 IS, which one better? tongue.gif tongue.gif
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Sep 18 2007, 10:42 AM)
of course get dSLR la. I dun get it why people dun buy dSLR. Since you're bringing such a bulky stuff, might as well get a dSLR lar. Some more price drop so much. Get 2nd hand if dun have 3k budget smile.gif
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Not everyone will be able to handle a dSLR, especially those egoistic and showoff wannabe kids with lots of money. Buy a dSLR but shoot pictures worse than P&S. shakehead.gif


QUOTE(Jeffery @ Sep 18 2007, 03:01 PM)
sorry guys, i dun think we're getting any DSLR.... since the budget is not allowed.... is there any Pro-sumer camera recommended?

Canon G7 or Power Shot S5 IS, which one better?  tongue.gif  tongue.gif
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You can also consider Olympus SP-550UZ or SP-560UZ.
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QUOTE(CompMac @ Sep 18 2007, 03:52 PM)
Not everyone will be able to handle a dSLR, especially those egoistic and showoff wannabe kids with lots of money. Buy a dSLR but shoot pictures worse than P&S.  shakehead.gif
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Yeah, that's true. But I'm talking about people who able to handle the dSLR. Won't it be better to buy dSLR than prosumer? Coz the bulk does not worth the quality.....differences...
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Sep 18 2007, 04:09 PM)
Yeah, that's true. But I'm talking about people who able to handle the dSLR. Won't it be better to buy dSLR than prosumer? Coz the bulk does not worth the quality.....differences...
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Please look at the topic of the thread. TS already mentioned wanna look for a good pro-sumer, so please don't recommend dSLR. It is clear that TS' sister doesn't know how to handle a dSLR.
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post Sep 18 2007, 06:05 PM

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QUOTE(CompMac @ Sep 18 2007, 03:52 PM)
Not everyone will be able to handle a dSLR, especially those egoistic and showoff wannabe kids with lots of money. Buy a dSLR but shoot pictures worse than P&S.  shakehead.gif
You can also consider Olympus SP-550UZ or SP-560UZ.
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lolz... So this Olympus SP-550UZ and SP-560UZ, how much is it ar? If compare to S5 IS which one betteR?
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Sep 18 2007, 10:42 AM)
of course get dSLR la. I dun get it why people dun buy dSLR. Since you're bringing such a bulky stuff, might as well get a dSLR lar. Some more price drop so much. Get 2nd hand if dun have 3k budget smile.gif
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after having a DSLR - sometimes you just wish that you have a prosumer / digital compact. smile.gif

anyway it's about their purpose. like what I mentioned in my article, prosumer you get ALL IN ONE package.

DSLR? good luck la, even used unit comes close to prosumer and that also with the usual 18-55 kit lens. zooming anything beyond 50mm? Ahahha......... good luck, spend around RM 600 more to get the lowest end 70-30mm.macro lens? prepare at least RM 1k more, or maybe you can get reverse-lens adapter to use kit lens backwards.
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Advantages of PnS over DSLR:
- No dust, fungus
- All in one lens
- compact, easy to bring around
- Default vibrant colour
- Budget ( most important )
- Live view ( even live view in Olympus DSLR system can not compare )
- Other functions ( touch screen, catch smile etc. )
- Cheap underwater camera
etc.
so who say PnS is suck ? biggrin.gif


Added on September 18, 2007, 6:26 pmforget to mention: movie recording biggrin.gif

This post has been edited by vichio: Sep 18 2007, 06:26 PM
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QUOTE(Jeffery @ Sep 18 2007, 06:05 PM)
lolz... So this Olympus SP-550UZ and SP-560UZ, how much is it ar? If compare to S5 IS which one betteR?
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This will give you a good way to compare them.

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/compare_po...non_g7&show=all

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QUOTE(vichio @ Sep 18 2007, 06:25 PM)
Advantages of PnS over DSLR:
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- All in one lens.
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so who say PnS is suck ? biggrin.gif
i would say the prosumers have the All-in-one advantage. smile.gif PnS isn't your power zoom fella.

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post Sep 19 2007, 01:30 AM

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guys, chill.... ^^ thx for ur opinion, it's time for my sister to make the decision ^^
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post Sep 19 2007, 01:54 AM

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theres a second hand d40 to let go around rm15xx .. its true that dlsr is better than compact but it is still the same if u dunno how to use.. canon s5 shud be good enough and easy to use thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(vichio @ Sep 18 2007, 06:25 PM)
Advantages of PnS over DSLR:
- No dust, fungus
- All in one lens
- compact, easy to bring around
- Default vibrant colour
- Budget ( most important )
- Live view ( even live view in Olympus DSLR system can not compare )
- Other functions ( touch screen, catch smile etc. )
- Cheap underwater camera
etc.
so who say PnS is suck ? biggrin.gif


Added on September 18, 2007, 6:26 pmforget to mention: movie recording biggrin.gif
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I cannot imagine how frustrated i would be if my DSLR was mainly touch screen.
--> Tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap = Change aperture

PnS and DSLRs are for different uses, so although PnS does not suck, but some of those items you mentioned cannot be generalized as "advantages".



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it's an addition, you don't have to do this if you don't like biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(wlcling @ Sep 19 2007, 07:06 PM)
I cannot imagine how frustrated i would be if my DSLR was mainly touch screen.
--> Tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap = Change aperture

PnS and DSLRs are for different uses, so although PnS does not suck, but some of those items you mentioned cannot be generalized as "advantages".
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to add on, can't imagine that everytime i put my eye to the viewfinder, a setting somehow gets changed by my nose... Haha!
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this is addition when using together with live view, man biggrin.gif Imagine you put on tripod, change the setting to capture firework, macro etc. and compare with using view finder biggrin.gif
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post Sep 20 2007, 01:31 AM

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lolz.... DSLR is for pros..... who r really really pro.... haha ^^ For me p&s is enuff for my demand. ^^
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QUOTE(Jeffery @ Sep 20 2007, 01:31 AM)
lolz.... DSLR is for pros..... who r really really pro.... haha ^^ For me p&s is enuff for my demand. ^^
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i disagree. smile.gif anyone can use any camera, FYI pros use digital compacts too!
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Avantages of DSLR over PnS biggrin.gif
- A way better ISO control due to bigger sensor
- Also ability to blur out background much more than PnS
- Higher quality lenses, higher image quality
- Longer battery life
- A lot more functions
- bigger and solid body make more steady shot
- More room to play act
etc.

Persons who buy PnS because can not afford the price of DSLR or want a compact cam smile.gif
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eh i am not pro also use dslr............i wanted dslr cause they have f1.4 lenses...........needed dslr only to solve one thing........ low light......


1. hate to use flash (hence the high iso)
2. want clean clear shots indoor (hence the wide aperture)

so there u go.....and although i have dslr for some time already, i am still not a pro, just using it to get the pics i want thats all..

edit: dun la say cannot afford, probably the size is not their preference..............but i have this thing la............to dslr owners, ever have occasions that u wish ur camera is much smaller? i.e how can u bring a dslr into pubs or wat??

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QUOTE(CompMac @ Sep 18 2007, 04:34 PM)
Please look at the topic of the thread. TS already mentioned wanna look for a good pro-sumer, so please don't recommend dSLR. It is clear that TS' sister doesn't know how to handle a dSLR.
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^#&*@$*&....I try to be nice to you but you just want to flame me. Why you want to do this? TS did comtemplate on getting dSLR. If you don't like my comment, then just don't reply to me and I'll keep quiet.

QUOTE(goldfries @ Sep 18 2007, 06:15 PM)
after having a DSLR - sometimes you just wish that you have a prosumer / digital compact. smile.gif

anyway it's about their purpose. like what I mentioned in my article, prosumer you get ALL IN ONE package.

DSLR? good luck la, even used unit comes close to prosumer and that also with the usual 18-55 kit lens. zooming anything beyond 50mm? Ahahha......... good luck, spend around RM 600 more to get the lowest end 70-30mm.macro lens? prepare at least RM 1k more, or maybe you can get reverse-lens adapter to use kit lens backwards.
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You're right that its ALL IN ONE package. But I heard the optic for dSLR is better not to say some better feature.
Actually I think since you're lugging such a heavy prosumer (the one that look like dSLR, not Canon G5 type), I just
feel that its better to lug dSLR.

Combination of Fuji F31fd + dSLR is the best. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Sep 20 2007, 12:33 PM)
But I heard the optic for dSLR is better not to say some better feature.


smile.gif DSLR is definitely the superior one, considering you have lenses that costs a car.

just that let's say you wanna do many things with RM 2k, prosumer still has the advantage.

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QUOTE(goldfries @ Sep 20 2007, 02:30 PM)
smile.gif DSLR is definitely the superior one, considering you have lenses that costs a car.

just that let's say you wanna do many things with RM 2k, prosumer still has the advantage.
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Yeah, another way to say, Jack of All Trade...

But another thing is, there's two type of prosumer lor....first type is look like dSLR wannabe like Panasonic
FZ30, Canon S5 IS..... another is those wanna have smaller camera which is Canon G series... Canon G Series
is ok lar. Not as bulky is dSLR... with a lot of feature ... can go for Canon G series for girl... smile.gif
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hehe. I wouldn't say DSLR wanna be la. smile.gif but yeah it's that kind of shape.

user posted image

my S7000. biggrin.gif

the Canon G series IINM is called compact prosumer or something like that. I'm eyeing on the G7 too.
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Hey, I think my sister will go for G7, coz she saw the price diff between S5 and G7 is rm100 only..... not going for other brand adi.... thx guys ^^

for gogo2, dun be upset lar it's juz discussion ^^
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QUOTE(Jeffery @ Sep 20 2007, 01:31 AM)
lolz.... DSLR is for pros..... who r really really pro.... haha ^^ For me p&s is enuff for my demand. ^^
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this is the one thing that alot and a lot and a lot or tons of people tend to assume. this kind of thinking is really wrong.

Dude, wait for a while and go get the G9 better. Its due to be out soon.
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but the problem is, we need a decent camera soon coz we're going to Hong Kong early of next month... so it's either get it or use the sucky nikon L2....
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QUOTE(R a D ! c 4 L @ Sep 20 2007, 09:39 PM)
this is the one thing that alot and a lot and a lot or tons of people tend to assume. this kind of thinking is really wrong.

Dude, wait for a while and go get the G9 better. Its due to be out soon.
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It seem to me there are some people here that are commenting here who seems to be defending their own view from a non photographic experience.


DSLR is perfect for anyone who taken a deeper interest in photography and have an appreciation for the photos that it can be used.

PNS is for people who just wanna try it out and try to learn photography at its basic form without any form of appreciation for wider aperture or bokeh .

Nowadays DSLR like the D40 cost around 2k ..the same for a prosumer produces better quality photo due to a larger sensor. lower ISO controls...and some even came with Image stabilize like the olympus E510IS. or Pentax K100D.


The only thing that prosumer stands out are their long zooms that are associated with expensive lenses should it be fittetd unto the DSLR.

But once you started shooting with DSLR ..you will learn and see that any photos taken with a DSLR is much more superiorr . A d40 nikon will have help to guide you to take better photos.

I am an owner of the S3Is ..and i love it as I can learn to use ...and good 432 mm zoom.

DSLR owner uses PNS cause it is lighter,. smaller , incorporating similar PASM features and also longer zooms without paying a higher price,

Should you want longer zoom in your DSLR kits lens..u can always try using a TC teleconvertor ...to extend a little zoom,


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s3is have superb macro mode, ultrasonic af, stereo mic, etc etc

at ur budget, go for s5is.
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QUOTE(R a D ! c 4 L @ Sep 20 2007, 09:39 PM)
Dude, wait for a while and go get the G9 better. Its due to be out soon.
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hopefully G7 drop price. biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(lj0000 @ Sep 21 2007, 12:45 AM)
s3is have superb macro mode, ultrasonic af, stereo mic, etc etc

at ur budget, go for s5is.
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allow me to say something noobie ^^ I saw there pic taken by S5 and G7 in a website i think is dpreview.com. I found that most of the picture taken by S5 has much more noise than G7 even in good lightning condition. Can u guys get an LCD monitor (cheap one) to view the pic? coz CRT monitor won't able to c those noise clearly.
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because S5 IS sensor size is 1/2.5 while G7 is 1/1.8
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so G7 is better?


Added on September 23, 2007, 1:13 amG7 out of stock adi.....in whole malaysia..... Eventually we bought S5 IS, not really satisfy the performance, alot of noise....

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QUOTE(Jeffery @ Sep 22 2007, 01:40 AM)
so G7 is better?


Added on September 23, 2007, 1:13 amG7 out of stock adi.....in whole malaysia..... Eventually we bought S5 IS, not really satisfy the performance, alot of noise....
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unfortunately, PnS noise is high. One of the reason why I want to buy dSLR because
noise is lower in dSLR (unless you buy Fuji F31fd which has very low noise too).
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not only F31fd, all Fuji Pns very low noise, they're even as good as/ or better than Sony A100 or Nikon D70 DSLR in term of noise control smile.gif
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wow...fuji so good one ar? sigh....bought this S5 IS oledi....
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Make the full use of the equipment that you have. A skilled photographer will be able to capture great pictures with whatever in his/her hands.
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nod.gif nod.gif nod.gif nod.gif nod.gif nod.gif ok tongue.gif
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QUOTE(CompMac @ Sep 24 2007, 04:55 PM)
Make the full use of the equipment that you have. A skilled photographer will be able to capture great pictures with whatever in his/her hands.
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i'm an owner of the fuji f31d. Go get that camera, it's good. can adjust ISO until 3200. besides, the Super CCD of that camera is good. another plus point is the the speed u take the photo. very fast. (but too bad, not in production liao)

wonder why in malaysia tis camera is not the rage, in Singapore, they have a forum dedicated to this .
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QUOTE(Jeffery @ Sep 24 2007, 04:41 PM)
wow...fuji so good one ar? sigh....bought this S5 IS oledi....
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i bought from my fren... dunwan let him get into trouble lo ^^ juz try to learn to make S5 IS perfect ^^ it's a good camera afterall

 

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