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teckyuan
post Nov 24 2021, 05:19 PM

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Nov 24 2021, 05:07 PM)
Yea.. but dba role punya days are counting especially with micro services event sourcing and cloud.

Deswai i quit dba and become solutions architect.. much more career progression.

sadly cant goyang kaki, everyday meeting and presentation.
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wondering what is the pay range for solution architect in sg?
so you just focus on solutioning only or also involve in the delivery?

teckyuan
post Nov 24 2021, 05:52 PM

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Nov 24 2021, 05:38 PM)
It's everything. Including delivering the long term support procedures. Basically starting from getting requirements from BA... everything onwards is the SA's role from start to end until the termination of the IT solution.

Which includes from proposal to procure hardware/cloud Infrastructure and frameworks...  to system architecture/module design and even hiring / finding outsource dev, performing code review various QA stuff to lastly also hiring helpdesk haha.... deswai alot of meeting and have to listen to alot of sales pitch yawn.gif  and worse is stalking on vendor's progress.

afaik.. the pay ranges from 7k sgd all the way to 20+k sgd.
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I see. so your company mainly outsource the project ?No internal dev team to run the show?
wow . your role like company director. every single layer need your presence . Company offer your share issit haha.
I thought the starting salary for SA should be around 10K at least.

I have a friend in a medical company Sharepoint developer role getting 9k le.
Met few architect from a SI company from sg 5 year back.That time they already getting around 7k le.
teckyuan
post Nov 24 2021, 06:12 PM

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QUOTE(hZa23 @ Nov 24 2021, 06:07 PM)
Never too late bro, I jump to IT from engineering too.Started with 0.Now ok already can make decent living..
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what is so hard with IT?
I think any SPM holder with a decent understanding in Math can do well in IT.
Degree is slightly better ticket to land the job only. I have seen someone without a degree working in IT.
TBH , having a degree in IT is an overkill .Those thing you learn from school , 99 % not applicable to your job one.

Suggest TS to fast fast change your pillow company to IT company.
cause SPM holder also can do the job.
Plus It is the trending now .Sure can make ton of profit than selling bantal .

This post has been edited by teckyuan: Nov 24 2021, 06:22 PM
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post Nov 24 2021, 06:31 PM

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QUOTE(yungkit14 @ Nov 24 2021, 06:14 PM)
DEGREE in IT overkill but in cooperate level especially project type need  degree
IT doesnt mean programming only
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managerial level in IT mostly got no IT background. lel...
your hardly see some manager helping you to write SQL script .
i was lucky i met one .haha.
teckyuan
post Nov 24 2021, 06:32 PM

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QUOTE(hZa23 @ Nov 24 2021, 06:28 PM)
You just need the will to learn and right logics…
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one of the thing i hate to see in developer is they dont even bother to study the tools they use before they start the thing.
end up creating technical debt.
fk those developer.
teckyuan
post Nov 24 2021, 06:34 PM

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QUOTE(ikankering @ Nov 24 2021, 06:31 PM)
interesting...
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time to divest your portfolio. keke
now u can make 2mil in one month le.
if TS is bumi , can go bid gov project. Gov project margin lagi tinggi yoh.
you're welcome!

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post Nov 24 2021, 09:22 PM

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QUOTE(friedricetheman @ Nov 24 2021, 05:30 PM)
RM6k a month from driving busses already cukup makan. Why need so much money?
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my life hasn't reached the height like you to say "why need so much money?"

I only can say "The more the merrier." for now.
I believe many in their 30s still are struggling with debts, commitment and expectation. I am no exception.
i only realized life is hard when i step into the society. bangwall.gif

Poor's problem. doh.gif

but i do hope one day i can confidently say "why need so much money" biggrin.gif

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post Nov 24 2021, 09:41 PM

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Nov 24 2021, 06:08 PM)
No lor... working in Conglomerate corp so have many different businesses under the main umbrella.. im under asia pacific region HQ... so there's many diff systems and it's never ending. Of course got few other SA as well. BA alone got 20+ people so you can imagine haha (SA of course fewer)

Yes no internal dev.. actually only around 10 mainly to judge the outsource, do consulting and occasionally doing adhoc support and troubleshooting before escalating to vendor to fix... in short super senior developers haha.

Depending on project size and quantity lor... handling small and few project then small pay, big projects and many then high pay... especially mission critical ones. Note it's SGD ya.... sharepoint can get 9k SGD meh?
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yes. all the figure in SGD. I think Sharepoint is a very niche product and lot of big company and gov agency using it .TBH , it is very rare to find a Sharepoint developer these days.
I find your company structure little bit weird. why you need to design and ask outsource to vendor to build it instead of asking vendor to purpose design and deliver.
Working with offshore team is a test of patience especially those from india. biggrin.gif

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post Nov 24 2021, 10:59 PM

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Nov 24 2021, 10:22 PM)
Sharepoint salary on average i think 5k? Your friend probably very lucky then. Cuz it's not that technical... alot of yindia capable already available as we outsourced our sharepoint project one off for very cheap and now maintained by a system admin.

Well it's not a small company sweat.gif it's pretty big.
we have many business entities in the region and separate requirements so cant expect 1 vendor to do all. the current outsourced dev all combined headcount is a 1000+...

That's why we have inhouse BA, SA, and very senior software engineers to act as the control tower for all the systems in the region especially when all of the systems have to interface with accounting and analytics in the end. The scale is too big already.

So yeah treat it as the system is our in house product and we have the full ownership, the vendor is basically a just a manpower provider.

Also alot of trade secret in the workflow such as on the assembly line management methods and supply chain management... so when we get diff vendors to develop diff modules and then only piece the whole system together then the "secret" wont be leaked to outside laugh.gif
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he is a sharepoint developer and also a SP admin. i think this is why he gets this figure.
wow .1000+ headcount is very huge team.You company might as well setup their own dev team le.
The biggest team i ever worked on is like 100++ on functional team.
I've been working in the development track for almost 5 year .Recently got assigned to do internal assessment on Service request. Spending more time writing assessment than code .Start to feel littlie bit sienz.
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post Nov 24 2021, 11:16 PM

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Nov 24 2021, 11:04 PM)
Probably just lucky and probably cant get the same figure when quit... cuz got a contact in equinix who is a senior SP also 7K nia. 

Bruh.. dev team in SG is 3k min a month per head. Outsourced dev team is 1/3 of that manpower cost. Then when no active big project and only need like 300 dev... then the remaining 700+ how? Cant just simply fire them lol.

Also the company is not a tech company, no purpose of keeping so many dev inhouse. Just a few super experienced software engineer is enough to lead the outsource dev.
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haha.true also la.hope your company pay you well for managing such a huge team and helping company cut cost.

 

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