Hi TS,
I'm very much in the same situation as you, I tested the ketam Civic and even at 39 years old with good bones and posture I can feel the difficulty. I am a big fan of Civic since EG in 90's.

To me I won't make decision until I sit in FE and my back and thighs tell me to fork off hahaha, or the new price too high until its out of range. Even then, I may buy it and suffer the depreciation when selling it in 5 years time....

Among the other cars you have, my personal take is that without ADAS, its not worthwhile. Think of the 1 time you can avoid a big crash, and the 10's of times you can avoid the fender benders. How much is that worth?

Can I suggest Corolla cross? It is firmly in my thoughts right now.

Yeah, but the XV and CX-5 does not have ADAS and by the time they launch with it, you also won't know how far the price gone up and how long the wait times too...

Indeed Cross looks so early 2000's as well as having a lethargic 1.8 engine, but in my own opinion, can last me easily grow old with me for the next 10 years (the non hybrid).

bro, u sure can get year end promo for *NEW* XV even if you bought it NOW (year end)? By all probability the car will register next year anyway unless ready stock?

I personally hesitate with the mediocre boot space. Its really kind small for my family needs. Not sure how much you will need eventually.

its exactly the same as buying expensive life insurance. In case of ADAS, pay 1 time, protect forever - I think its a great package.

Of course not all ADAS is the same, do you know which one does not work so well? I know that earlier generation Peroduas with vision camera system always highlight that it is not perfect especially when visibility is low. Radar + latest camera should be better no?

Even latest tesla's are moving away from radar and going for camera. And we still don't really have Lidar system yet.

I think if just 3 probably will be ok. But small kids and balik kampung in my personal experience is stroller + milk and this and that lol. Only you will know I guess. With my Gen 1 myvi it was a disaster for me at 200l and 1 baby, to the point I gave up travelling with it when I had 2 lol.

Now for the more important issue of lacking ADAS, I will not spend over 100k for a car without it.

I’d personally rather buy a HRV and save the coin. Or an xpander or something…

You also got a point there… but in the general scheme of safety I think if TS wanna give up ADAS then the consideration for active and passive safety features would be a lot different by then. Possibly any modern subaru would be a clear winner in the non ADAS category, the question is, is it worth it to spend north of 120k ? My own answer is clear no, not when a Ativa can do it for 70k and carry 4 adults too. Or a myvi can do the similar job for 60k.

4 adults is never really a difficulty, it’s often the kids that need the most provisions. Adults on the other hand can go outstation for days with just a backpack if necessary.

congrats, this is the new one or the old one?

Can I know what is the price you paid for in the end? Did you get the year end discount?

can i ask 1 thing, how much more is the eye sight version according to your sales?

I am wondering, the GT is price tagged at RM137,788 which I think you received 5k SST, 2k Company discount and around 1k Salesman commission.

Does it mean, eye-sight model starting at Rm139,788 can be had for RM133,788 according to your discounts..? Its still in my purchase consideration hahaha.

- Paul Tan on 5/4/2021

Zigg wheels

edit - I think they nett nett without all discounts, will be 8 to 9k more as you said above...i'm tempted to call them to ask haha.

This post has been edited by lee82gx: Dec 30 2021, 11:00 AM

You made me lol’ed on New Year’s Day!
XV can do B road but not really off road la. Either way, your maths for 2 used cars is impressively out of the box. If the option for used cars is on the table it is a randomly open variable question with infinite outcomes.

Surely you know eventually both or any used car you quote above will reach end of economically serviceable life much sooner than a new car, what will TS do then?