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 Automatic transmission auto-downshift, when coasting downhill

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dares
post Oct 23 2021, 10:32 AM

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Some autoboxes have it, some don't. Those that don't, you need to manually shift to 3/S/L gear to engage it.

Waja engages it automatically on downhills, Persona 4AT doesn't, Vios doesn't. All Proton CVT does it.

For most part it is a safety feature, like when you go down from genting the road signs tell you to engage low gear - it's the same thing.

QUOTE(zuozi @ Oct 22 2021, 11:33 PM)
Okay so is part of the design but the waja effects too obviously really bad fuel consumption, then my driving style always normal hard to reach 100km/h and at normal 80km/h road not doing any close distance not much brake apply, sometimes downhill no vehicle ahead of me I try throttle maintain the speed or throttle off auto downshift begin dang , except if I throttle more during downhill but is not safe at all

End up sell it 8 year old only 60k km been drive XD
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Rolling down hill with high RPM doesn't consume more fuel than idling. High RPM caused by engine braking is not the same as high RPM caused by throttle.

You Waja fuel consumption is caused by simply because it is Campro.

I used to own a Mitsu Waja and it does the same thing, downshifting when going downhill.

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post Oct 25 2021, 11:09 AM

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QUOTE(ktek @ Oct 25 2021, 10:45 AM)
yup just theory.
and turning key off will stop faster rite. why not equal when both are same condition cut off
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Not just theory. If you have OBD scanner, you get get fuel flow rate from the ECU. When engine braking downhill with no throttle, the fuel flow rate is 0.

QUOTE(ktek @ Oct 25 2021, 10:45 AM)
becos i drove one and it do improve fc.

official channel mention usa version got coasting function ya

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Yes BMW coasting mode will disconnect the transmission from the engine.

But by doing so, it will need to continue to inject fuel to keep the engine running compared to engine braking which requires 0 fuel.

On the flip side, engine braking will slow down the car and you will need more fuel to re-accelerate back to speed, which the BMW coasting mode doesn't thus saving fuel.

It's a give and take, and either one would work depending on the condition.

But knowing Europe's strict emissions regulation, this coasting function is probably designed to meet those requirements instead of being a genuine effort to save fuel. Like those silly cylinder deactivation tech.

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post Oct 25 2021, 03:25 PM

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QUOTE(constant_weight @ Oct 25 2021, 01:24 PM)
I personally think you maybe confused people a bit lah.

Your car would coast during relatively flat or minor down slope.

Definitely not downhill, maybe anything more that 2-3% gradient it would switch to engine braking instead.

Everyone must be thinking about Genting downhill.😅
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I think for flat roads or slight downhill gradient, the coasting function would be more efficient.

But for steeper downhill, engine braking would be more efficient because we are using gravity (which is free) to move the car forward while using no fuel.

QUOTE(constant_weight @ Oct 25 2021, 01:33 PM)
There is another smarter (At I least think it is smarter) implementation of coasting that doesn't disconnect transmission from engine.

What it does is simply keep the throttle body wide open and don't inject fuel. This case, the engine rpm still high but car would glide pretty long distance, although not as far as transmission disconnection.

Essentially when we do engine braking we are using air to brake. With throttle body fully closed, the pistons are pulling vacuum. Wide open throttle will remove the restriction.

One thing for sure is again if the driver trying to act smart by shifting to neutral him/herself. The engine burn extra fuel for both coasting and engine braking cases literally render the technology useless.
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Maybe it is not done because even with WOT the TB and valves are still restrictive and the pistons will still be pulling some amount of vaccum? Definitely not as much as closed throttle, but I'm guessing enough to cause deceleration.

 

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