My apologies for necro-ing this old thread, things picked up quite abit at the shop and hasnt been lurking around forums in awhile
QUOTE(Jason @ Apr 17 2023, 06:34 PM)
I really like the Duke 390v2 on paper.. the way it looks and the package.
But man, the stories you guys share on the Dominar UG is terrifying.
I remembered when the Duke 390 first launched there was hype. Then I assume when the reliability issues came reared its head the hype died down.
The v2 didn’t get much fanfare, even less so you can get its cousin the D400 for almost a third of the price.
Duke and dominar UG, while the share the same engine design (90%), rest assured they are pretty much different in many aspects. The largest similarities are in crankcase where almost everything can be pnp swapped in and out of each other, UG has the slipper clutch version of the d390. Block to head onwards, while some still share same design (rod/camshafts/crankshaft), are mostly different, even the piston (same 89mm), but has different ring specs, diff skirt design/length and majorly different oil rings and clearance/torque specs. Heck even the engine weighs different, we did not weight them exactly to the gram, but plopped enough dominar and ktm390s to notice that the ktm counterpart being slightly heavier. Our team members are all able to down a d4ug engine individually, but when it comes to ktm390, extra pair of hands helps.
I would probably say lemon units exist in all make and model of anything, but comparing ktm to in house bajaj bikes, ktm has way better QC and chances of getting a lemon unit is most likely significantly lesser than the dom. This also applies to spareparts, where ktm qc is noticably superior, and in some cases of complex issues with the d4 we had to deal with, sometimes, installing ktm parts fixes it (eg, timing chain).
Also, based strictly on our shop statistics alone, ktm engines wears and last over time much better than the dominar. Hence, the price difference albeit being rather similar in terms of specs, but do keep in mind riding feel is massively different, neither good or bad, matter of preference, usage and application.
QUOTE(jaycee1 @ Apr 18 2023, 09:37 AM)
Lol. Ride it back to back and you'd see why the Duke costs more than the dominar. They are not the same thing, especially the Dom v1. The UG gets a little closer but still way different.
The feel, ride, fueling , power delivery and handling of the duke is much more entertaining. Responses are much quicker and is more tossable owning to its much more aggressive geometry.
The duke is the athletic cousin to the couch potato dominar.
Taken in isolation, the dominar is a decent bike, handles quite well for what it is, cheap..but a Duke 390 (or z250, mt25...etc) it is not.
Indeed, they are pretty much on a different segment of market, the similarities ends at the engine. Albeit using same forks and brakes, they are tuned differently. Dominar aims for a touring-ish feel where the bike remains pretty steady at constant high speed, while ktm is a lively fun little thing that begs to be tossed around.
QUOTE(zarakiken @ Apr 25 2023, 05:47 PM)
one major thing our friend got wrong, is the engine, v1 is single cam, v2(ug) is twin cam and produces approx 5bhp more than the v1. That said, personally i still prefer riding the v1, it vibrate ALOT less, and makes half the noise v2 does. Torque down low rpm feels more pronounced and more engaging that the linear v2 power curve.
QUOTE(iambryan1234 @ May 11 2023, 02:28 AM)

Anyone wanna guess how long its gonna take for this overpriced piece of 250cc junk to become a flop? Stupid ass pricing literally topup a bit can get D400 ady
QUOTE(zarakiken @ May 13 2023, 01:39 PM)
It will flop badly... haha... but still got some ppl will buy... haha...
QUOTE(Patent @ May 13 2023, 06:52 PM)
i think it has a market for people that dont own B full license
or maybe this is just their tactic so D400 sells more

literal malaysian 250cc crisis. You get so many people that are "malas/lazy" upgrade license and get stuck behind <250cc, while in reality larger bikes are getting cheaper and 250cc are getting absurdly expensive. IMO, the d250 will inevitably flop eventually imo. Just for the records, since launch, i had less than 5 owners of the d250 that came for service. And just couple days ago i had a teh session with my modenas friends, official SC only had one breakdown case, and also very very miniscule amt of regular service. I wouldn't be surprised if the d250 suddenly gets discontinued, its not that difficult, they can just swap a d4 engine over, everything else is pnp.