Off course people don't know
Russia & china refuse to bring their supposed to be stealth jet out😂🤣

Only murica are confidence enough to bring their stealth jet out & sell it around, let people review it, give people data for comparison. Why do you think that is?🤔 What you are doing is comparing reality (F35.since all the data are out there in public domain) vs a fantasy (what you believe J20 is capable off, without hard data to back it off)


Without any data, let make some educated guess on how stealth J20 is.
1)it got a canard. So it likely won't be stealth from the front,down or up.
2) poor engine, thus design is bit more aerodynamic then f35/F22 thus reflex radar more
3) no exhausted cover like f22, which mean huge IR signature from the back,
4) lack of engine power leads to straight intake which help in performance but would light up like a Christmas tree in IR signature from the front

So personally, i really doubt J20 is really that stealthy, if anything i think j20 like su57 are just propoganda tools & not real front line fighters. If anything it just another F22, a prototype aka product technological demonstrators. F22 afterall like j20 & su57 for it entire lifetimes until now as it nearing retirements seldom leave US soil.

The F22 sure is mighty, but the unreliability, high sustainment cost make it unproductive to be field in large number or to even be use in war. That's why it didn't. Same shit as J20 & Su57 i suppose. However Lesson from F22 is what make the F35. The 1st kinda workable work horse of a 5th gen fighter jet.


Let remember how hard it is to bring something from a product demonstrator to an actual product. to make the f35, They use the mighty murica Dollah + resources from 3 branch of their military & 28 other countries adding to engineering, manufacturing & technological strength stand together spend hundred of billion, 20 years development period & commitments to buy thousand of it & the continues upgrade overtime from 1 batch to another & results is F35 Which still has plenty of flawed.

You really think a single country manufacturing, technological might with order of just few hundred with only 20 got built as of now build in relatively short time can make anything better than a F35? I bet you 99% chances that's it won't.

Like i said, just because a kapcai is a moto doesn't mean it is in the same league as a ninja. And despite the disadvantage of a kapchai it can still win against a civic turbo polis car as long as kapchai exploit it advantage (of being small & high acceleration in low RPM) & civic tebu disadvantage and run away from polis using small back dirt lane. So no, if people cannot dogfight they won't. Only idiots rempit go challenge polis with civic tebu with their kapchai at Highway.

So the whole J20 going to meet F22 scenario is just a mere fantasy. The mainline Chinese fighter for the foreseeable decades are J10 & J16. US aren't going to field F22. China won't attack Taiwan as long as US are controlling the Malacca & Hormuz straits.

Don't get me wrong but the warfare are going on but in the economic sectors. China has a massive bubble in the real estate & a declining population very similar to Japan few decades ago. They need to expand internationally to keep the bubbles from blowing up & thus the road & blet & what US want to do is to stop Chinese expansionism which would pop the reals estate bubble back home in china, china has no other choice then to pull a Mahathir & eragon nationalsism doctrines & blame outsiders as usual to keep power And we know what kind of damage erdagon & mamakthir had cause.


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You are really underestimating the complexity of jet design there.

Canard are there to stabilize delta wing plane though fly by wire computer. Chinese are known to copy & pasta all kind of jet design from european, american & Russian without any ingenious design.so their jet design are varried.

Obviously the j20 is built on the J10 flight control system, which is base on Israeli trying to merge f16 with European fighter design.european back then are obsessed with speed and thus why they go with Delta wing. Delta wing are unstable that's why their next gen hey like Rafale, typhoon all has canard.

So the J20 need those canard. Not because canard are useful but because they can't eliminate it yet. Unless they can invent computer powerful enough to make the tiny adjustment to stabilize the flight with like the European want to do with tempest & FCAS.

If the American can do it they do away with rudders either on the F22 & F35B, but for now they can't, so it stay. Something the European as well wish to eliminate as well in their 6th gen design.

You are also excessively pondering to WS10. It's a prototype not a final product. US too has a more powerful engine design by GE. But they go for the underpowered PW for F22 & F350 due to it reliability (which is in itself is not that reliable anyway)


I know you want them Chinese to win so you keep going on creating scenario of western alliance going to dogfight the Chinese. Which as I said before as dumb as a rempit challenging polis civic tebo with their kapchai. They won't. For example, Russia doctrines is all about dogfighting & such their jet are design on a flying wing concept. Which is great in maneuverability. You know what the Swedish did? Yes they build what essential just a LCA with good radar to shoot down Sukhoi from a distance. & That is proven with Thai vs Chinese joint exercise where the Gripen just annihilated the Chinese in BVR. Why do you think the Russian are dropping the flying wing concept in their checkmate.

Off course if Russian & Chinese immitate the American, then they going to spend a whole lot of kaching & time trying to make the flight control software work.its basically a new territories for them without any ability to rely on the past experiences. That's why US transition to delta wing (which is already a known superior solution back in the 60s) take so long, with incremental step for the past 60 years, even the f22/F35 is a fusion of delta wing but with an elevator still attach. Their official NGAD & FA-XX diagram confirmed that the 6th gen is when they truly goes for a delta.

the European through it desire to market their 6th gen program had pretty much lay out what exactly 5th & 6th gen is all about. It's is a freaking mothership with sensor fusion, flying AWACs , shared situational awareness that meant to control a swarm of loyal wingman type drone & not to go out there to play solo top gun. I mean seriously, a jet without canard, rudders, with Delta wing ain't going to be any air superiority champion nor going to be able to go slow enough for maritime & land strike. It's likely going to be a discount B22 in concept which trade the bomb with drone.

Off course the whole 6th gen tag is misleading. Personally it's more of a 5.5 gen. As I don't see why the 6th gen tech can't be converted for usage in the f35. Even GE XA100 engine meant for NGAD are being tested with F35. F35 with it being cleared to carry nuclear bomb make for an attractive deterrence for smaller country. Sure they don't have nuclear power. But they can still use nuclear power by borrowing US nuclear power. And it's pretty balance in capabilities for cash strap country as F35 don't need the loyal wingman to operate in less contested environment to do maritime & land strike missions. The only thing is it can't do air superiority which again, i don't think any of the 6th gen can even do


Off course none of this really matter because the US still in control of suez, Hormuz & Malacca straits making any Chinese attempt at a war would be cut short due to supplies constraints. They also have domestic problem to tackle in the form of properties bubble burst, declining population and so on. So WW3 as it is for now are unlikely.

Because you keep on & on & on to create a stupid illogical scenario that american going to even entertain Chinese "kau anak jantan, jom dogfight lah"

And NO, Chinese are correct in going for J20 design. They have experience and expertise in delta wing flight control software tech from the J10, going here and there is akin to a dumb dog chasing her tails, won't get them anyway. Like i said J20 won't amount to anything beyond a propoganda tools & tech demonstrator. A cannardless delta wing is what the European is doing for the 6th gen fighter. So if the Chinese can't solve it themselves, just steal it i suppose, but then again, European are far more receptive to sell china stuff behind US back. So whatever stealth jet Chinese would have is the successor to J20. Not the J20 itself.



Do you know what make F22 moneuverable then Rafale despite being un aerodynamic shoe box design? Yes. The answer is a BIG FAT engine & high powered computer to calculate the fly by wire perfectly. Something that European with their multiple jet models, low sales volume can't afford to do.

This post has been edited by darth5zaft: Oct 18 2021, 12:48 PM

That's dumb.

Chinese are harrassing our oil field that generate 30 bil annually for the government coffers not to mention our sea lanes which is what make our RM 500 billion manufacturing industry exist in the first place.

Would have been better if they aren't a fascist dick. But reality is they are a fascist dick.

Lol
The enemies are afraid of good old uncle sam.

We are just here like everyone else around going to sapok sapok uncle Sam operation only.

Patutlah suruh jangan beli
wumao patriot, chinese nationalist rupanya.

Hahahahahahahaha


Tengah gosok Didi tunggu Malaysia jadi chinese provinsi ehh?

But I already mentioned an imminent threats.
No dig oil, no 30 bil annually in revenue, No 500 bil oil industry & 500 bil manufacturing industry.

But drilling operation had always resume

The Chinese just like to stand in the middle of the way

To stop them standing in the way lah

Much faster then send navy & foreign warship to move them away.

Them Chinese work in mysterious way

They the one who ask for it in the first place 🤭

My take is

A war is already in place but in a low key environment. The Chinese afterall are moving south & they wanted more &more reef under their control which they can reclaim it & put military installation on it to get themselves de facto sovereignty over the SCS to be use to threaten all neighbors into submission.

Philippines weakness in not having any fighter jet is the reason they lost all those reef in the first place. With gun pointed at them, they have no choice but to do what Chinese ask them to do.