I always thought about this.

But isn't it dumb to use it only to surpass genetic limit once you reach genetic limit?
Because then the moment you come off, those over genetic limit gains are gone. Like the gains were so short lived.
Unless you stay on forever, but then that's horrible for health and you'll likely die early cause constant use.
Every-time you're on it skews cholestrol and accelerates atherosclerosis.

It seems better to use them lightly to reach genetic limit (after you know everything about natural bodybuilding and have decent lifting experience).
Then you can just come off and maintain that body with 0 long term health consequences.
Its more rational safe sustainable use.

This post has been edited by Armesh: Oct 21 2021, 01:21 AM

Women cannot touch roids.
The androgenic side effects very obvious.
The saddest part is, all that muscle will instantly poof vanish once they come off, But the masculinization from androgens STAYS FOREVER!
Don't understand how someone can dispose their entire femininity FOREVER for some temporary ever fleeting "gains".

This a good video. Very low dose Oxandrolone is the only safe thing women can use. But clitoris still can be permanently enlarged with long term use.




This post has been edited by Armesh: Oct 23 2021, 03:39 PM

Did they train as hard/diet as when they were on? Were they extremely well educated/know how to make progress well before ever touching roids?
Even lifetime natural bodybuilders when they have kids/stressful job they can't train/diet as well will start losing most of their muscle.

What permanent damage they had (explain in detail)?
As I know only "permanent" damage you can have from roids is atherosclerosis or HTPA downregulation, which ussualy only happens in those long time abusers.
Moreover if they "had permanant side effect/damage", it obviously shows to me they are uneducated idiots. I doubt such a person can train/diet perfectly and make good gains naturally.
Kindda impossible to have permanent damage if you have some brains, only do TestE, manage blood pressure/estrogen, and PCT off properly.
But yeah, Malaysians are brainless for most part, everything also listen to their "friends/abang" in the gym.

This post has been edited by Armesh: Jan 24 2022, 03:08 AM

Roids are bought from some random people who sell them. All Under Ground Labs. Can find on shopee, facebook, gym...
Its common sense.

More you use, more results & side effects. Up to maybe ~1500-2000mg/week.