Are you a science person or religious person?

Example:
Earth is created by chemistry, physics, biology...
Earth is created by God...

Scientifically religious

Earth is created by a super being using science.

Elaborate further plz...

I know ur highly intelligent.

A certain scientific railgun

Chicken 1st or egg 1st?

Earth created by Dinosaur buddies.

scientific when it comes to physical surrounding medic etc
religious when it come to feeling, psychology, stressed out etc

My brain allergic to delusional fairy stories.

This post has been edited by iGamer: Sep 30 2021, 08:55 PM

I use own brain logic

Atheist think there is no God but somehow the subatomic particles magically exists and form our physical world where all the constants are fine tune for balance and creation. Even the 3 billions base pairs of human genome magically come to specific order through 14 billion years of evolution to create human. Which the probability of this happening by chance is almost zero.

Commonsense

Oooh, I get to use a big word. You are an oxymoron.

science. political science. specialize in R&R.

This post has been edited by brkli: Sep 30 2021, 09:00 PM

any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic

The universe has existed for 13.8 billion years. Humans have existed for about 200k years. But we are supposed to believe this universe was created as a test for us.

Lol. I bet he is.

He is.

Humans have existed since the time of creation.

It is better to accept that we don't know.

Yes, he blow my mind out with 2 words. A very intelligent fellow

Darth Vader is actually Anakin Skywalker.

But who sets the law in chemisty, physic, biology...? Where does this intelligence comes from

I belip u based on his avatar he is super intel

Here we go again.

World can’t exist without fairy? Then how fairy exist?

Of course, fairy also destroyed the dinosaurs so we can evolve 65 millions later.

Not forgetting the fact that there are more than 10 different species of humans and we are the product of homo sapien + Neanderthal inbreeding. But we are supposed to believe that god created only us and we are special for some reason.

i believe in dmt god eventhough i havent see one.

It doesn't need a world to exist.

Share some mate, I wanna see the machine god

Ts, just one report no need open thread
I get reported by pfizer over 50 times

hi boss,

wanna catch the crook la

Pious

Then why do u guys insist the world need fairy to exist, so much double standards in reasoning.

Stop being self contradictory.

Try to understand the nature of that fairy. It's not material & temporary like this world.

Yup, magic.

I like using sorcerers or magic users in most action RPG.

You see, failure to understand the subject matter. End up toking kok about something beyond wat you're willing to delve into.

Anyway wat can be said of someone willing to believe in a more incredulous fairy tale of Darwin's fables.

religious science apa machiam ?

I'm waiting for my keyboard to self answer this... the probability is near zero...

Well that needs intelligent input.

where is intelligent design ? is more to science right ... not the stupid evolution theory

Ayam is a very holy kind of person, and very clean, aka suci murni. Ayam wont do illegal thing one. So guess ayam is a religious person.

holy person who practice science as sensible explanation to things happened around the world

Religiously scientific.

Just enjoy the night bro. We’ve been thru the same shit way too many times already

Buy whichever u like

Why no one ask foetus or adults first

Well u asked & I answered. Then u kenot accept it wat can I do?

Rooster mana?!

we are just simulation perform by some retard...

science .... im more confident with hard proof and something tangible

religion more to please the parents

We will never agree on this topic.

i'm business people,.. don't care religion or science,.. as long can earn money,..

u are wrong

the observable universe is 46.508 billion light years, not even counting the range beyond

statistically it is very probable that anything could coincidentally happen

second, the modern human wasn't created in a day (unlike claimed by certain religions), it was through uncountable evolutionary changes which again, given that large amount of time is statistically probable, not to mention selective pressure that speeds up the process.

there could be a creator that seeds the universe, but it ain't gonna be either gods human worshipped

so atheist it is

oh bless XENU!!!!

ye repent now before the wrath of the intergalatic conquerer xenu

sinners shalt face judgement cometh judgement day by force watching infinite movie marathon starring tom cruise

Ayam believe in the Void

PAS kata jangan

in Buddhist sense it's the nothingness,...

in Daoist sense it's the Wu Chi (opposite of Tai Chi)

You think we are the only sentient beings in the universe? I bet the aliens have their own religions and messengers being sent to them if they are being tested as well. Some of them might be billions of years ahead of us in terms of existence and techs. Some might have gone extinct.

You cannot converge science and religion. Anyone say he can is a scammer.

Where is your evidences? Show us statistically it is possible by actual calculations considering the rate of mutation during cells division. Where did you get Big Bang occur 46.5 billion years ago? As far as the size of observable universe, the expansion isnt about speed. It is speed per unit distance. Get your facts right first.

you're deluded

stop trying hard on projecting your thoughts into others

Hehehe..scammer detected

Luckily I dont have to choose...

You obviously didn't watch Stargate SG-1

Why not both

It's not always about arguments.

oh u poor daft man

there is already one concrete evidence of it happening - us

there are 6 billion earth like planets in our galaxy alone, multiply by the amount of galaxies in the universe (safe to say its close to infinite considering the expansion of the observable universe)

even there is a one in a million chance of us happening, any probability x infinite = infinite

so there's your statistics genius

If you still count the rate of mutations required from beginning of time for life to evolve from simple lump of amino acid into complex instruction of 3 billion pairs of dna code for humans, will there be enough time for it to develop as complex as we see it today? Can you do the math? Genius...

This post has been edited by KarchKiraly: Oct 2 2021, 08:05 PM

hahaha
heart, brain, body all behaves differently

I'm a simple guy.

If you get into accident and unable to move in the middle of the road.

You expect God miraculously lift you to the side or a good samaritan to help you?

So far I yet to see anyone get miraculously air lifted to the side la during accidents.

er

we are the living proof that it is possible

also, even though there are 3 b pairs, most of it is redundant

both of the examples can be true. it doesnt need to be an either or situation.
its unlikely we will ever know if its really all random or designed.

Dont give up so easily. You are the genius. Ok let's we assume the mitosis rate is 8 min per cycle (180 times per day), which is quite fast (house fly). And let's say 99% of our base pairs of dna are the same between human (really less than 1% is the one that make us different from the next person).

The probability of spontaneous arrangement of 3 billion dna codes to form who we are (in a period of 14 billion years since big bang) most likely will be:

% = [14 x 10⁹ x 365 x 180] / [4^(0.99 x (3 x 10⁹))]

Very slim odd is it? It could still happened if somehow the processes happened in another universe with time dilation effect due to different physical constants and somehow the dna codes arrived in our universe during collision between the universes or through a wormhole somewhere.

If you look outside, the physical constants of our universe is so fine tuned with perfect balance between the rate of expansion and energy densities. Even if this balance is slightly off, the sub atomic particles will not come together and create matter and physical world as we perceive today. Or perhaps there could be trillions of universes with different physical constants and we just happened to exist in one that is perfect for carbon based life as we know. Ever wonder the possibility of all this coming together into existence from nothing? If you see a complex object like a car or mobile phone or a skyscraper, will you say that those things come together spontaneously without any inventor?

This post has been edited by KarchKiraly: Oct 2 2021, 09:03 PM

lol, does not work this way, although i do applaud your attempt to make yourself look smart

the human genome was not constructed 'spontaneously'

we started as single cell organism, then we 'evolve' by merging with other single cell organisms (prove: mitochrondia has its own specific dna.)

over time, the genetic material is incorporated, but not all code is used, some are discarded or made redundant (see: vestigiality)

if u think about it, it is not as complex and impossible as you think considering the 'seed' itself is not complex

another analogy, you are looking at the forest fire, but the spark that started it could be a simple lit cigarette for example.

No. You are smarter than me, so I kinda wonder why you didnt try to calculate the odd and use your own assumptions and imagination.

I didnt say we are constructed spontaneously. My calculation reflect how much time required to complete the correct sequence of 99% of the genetic code that made us who we are. If you inverse the results, thats how many times over the current life of this universe. So, make your own assumptions and do the calculations.

If you want to start with simple organism on earth, then you have much less than 14 billions years... You probably have like between 3 to 4 billions years depending on when you believe the conditions on the planet is perfect for first primordial biological soup starting to exist.

I am just a simple man. You are the genius.

This post has been edited by KarchKiraly: Oct 2 2021, 09:26 PM

i'll ignore the snide remarks, if you wanna debate like a man, grow up.

the reason why i didn't calculate the odds because it is much more complex than just the odds of recombination like you did

and i have no idea why you are so fixated with the odds when its not even important

you can have x odds of an event happening, are you certain in the vast universe, the same event would not happen again on some other earth like planets?

its funny, your point being that everything that happen is not by chance, but yet you are calculating a chance, see your contradictory logic?

either way feel free to believe in what you wanna believe.

I am just illustrating doesnt matter how you arranged it, the chance is slim to none. Is that so hard to understand? For such complex creations, there must be a creator and up to you to believe it or not. Or to try calculate the odds or not. After all, you are the one who state statistically it is probable, yet dont want to even attempt to calculate the probability.

This post has been edited by KarchKiraly: Oct 2 2021, 09:59 PM

They don't want to believe in God.

Religious / science person depends when can get hnghhh or $$$ oni.

This post has been edited by Izzanobody: Oct 2 2021, 10:01 PM

no it is you who don't understand lol

lets make it really simple

lets say you were to flip a fair coin to get heads 3 billion times in a row so its (0.5)^3 billion

chances of it happening is reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally small

but you have infinite flips, definitely at some point the event will happen, so it is not impossible

it did not happen in (infinite - 1) planets in the universe, but it happened on earth

2jumaat: I tatau i virgin

Why not show your calculations? State your assumptions as well to calculate how many planets within habitable zones for the whole universe. You can start by assuming a trillion number of galaxies and within each galaxy there are billions of stars. Break it down from there on % of stars that could have planets within habitable zones.

This post has been edited by KarchKiraly: Oct 2 2021, 10:06 PM

can you stop with the calculations?

i already told you and illustrated with a simple enough example that the odds isn't important, but yet still insist on it

can anyone else explain to him?

i am tired of repeating the same shit

You are repeating shits as thats all that is coming from your brain if you dont use it.

Let me include current estimation of 2 trillion galaxies, each galaxy contains on average 100 billion per galaxies and based on the observation in Milky Way galaxy, perhaps as many as 20% of these stars could have planets within habitable zones.

So the original equation from:

% = [14 x 10⁹ x 365 x 180] / [4^(0.99 x (3 x 10⁹))]

Will expand to:

% = [2 x 10¹¹ x 100,000,000,000 x 20%] x [14 x 10⁹ x 365 x 180] / [4^(0.99 x (3 x 10⁹))]

Still very small chance, close to zero.

This post has been edited by KarchKiraly: Oct 2 2021, 10:20 PM

science and all knowledge also from god

in the beginning and the end all is religious

lol it's like chicken and egg la

if science came from God, doesn't that also meant the science created God and vise versa?

unless there are solid evidences, else let's keep it simple for now for the peace of mind

Ayam hamsap people

how can you be sure its 2 trillion galaxies?

if you can answer that with certainty then i'll accept your point and book a flight for you to get your nobel prize.

Yes, father can create son & son oso can create father.

Didnt I just write "current estimation"? Even this thing you want to argue without any base. At least I am using current estimation based on what we know about observable universe.

Havent seen anything coming from your side of argument. Still same old shit from atheist mind with no substance.

This post has been edited by KarchKiraly: Oct 2 2021, 10:32 PM

rofl, that's cause you are just too stupid to understand something really simple but yet still wanna talk about probability and statistics

i'll humor you, and elaborate because el stupido brain of yours can't comprehend

your estimation only covers 20 trillion galaxies, if the universe is expanding on an infinite fashion, don't the odds get larger?

This post has been edited by pipedream: Oct 2 2021, 10:40 PM

Humor me please... Where did I say 20 trillion galaxies? Dont pull out random numbers from your backside and please stick to current knowledge that we have about the observable universe. If you are so smart, show your understanding and your own calculations. Cant come up with anything, right? I dont doubt you still have something between your ears but still there is nothing shown to prove it.

This post has been edited by KarchKiraly: Oct 2 2021, 10:51 PM

Either we all evolve from Apes or from outer space Alien.