if everything also included, the price would be unaffordable

just like how normal car won't be included due to cost
but you'll see it in the GTI or R3 or special edition of the same car

the reason u see it in those car and not the "normal" edition is not the cost. is because it makes the car uncomfortable. same like lowered ride, low profile tyre and etc..

if it is really good all round, the highest spec car surely will include, just like things like VSC, auto cruise and etc...

also those car price a higher sometimes not because install separate bar or what. is because it is not really mass production like the other (produce in lesser unit) due to the special settings and side installation (lowered ride, larger rim, low profile tyre, reinforce chassis) and this increase the cost..


inb4, if you reall want a stable cornering and/or sports oriented car while still remain "some" comfort, get one with double wishbone or multi link rear suspension. not torsion beam slap with an anti roll bar...

This post has been edited by brkli: Sep 21 2021, 05:00 PM

No you dont need it for normal everyday driving.

All those strut bars etc do help to a certain extent. But, the real issue is with the spot welding, this is what cause your chassis to flex.

Imho, arb and front strut is enough.

Regarding suspension... No, you do not need multilink nor double wishbone. Torsion beam works very well, esp. With a watts-link. One of the best eg. Is the chevrolet cruze.

Buat chasis rosak je....

Highway sini 110km/j, normal road 70-80km/j, suburb road 60km/j , Bridge 70-80km/j, before toll 90km/j , after toll 90km/j

Berape laju boleh pi? Need ultra racing?

For me I will go with bilstein b8 and superpro polyethylene control arm bush

kereta kalau roll tu mcm mana? what does ARB actually do? force push the tyre down for consistent contact to ground?

If ur car is b segment or price lower than 90k okla

Dsegment or conti...i dun think so got ppl install

u sure about that

u have to know how stingy car manufacturer are
they're so stingy, they're willing to remove 1 or 4 roof handle just because it cost them extra few RM(u can also say it's not needed )
but it's the same concept
knowing how expensive those bar are, they're not gonna put it in unless necessary to maximize profit

and having a bar on doesn't make it "unconfortable"...it just made it flex a lot less
comparing a car with lots of body roll vs a car with less body roll..which one is more uncomfortable?

This post has been edited by MR_alien: Sep 21 2021, 05:16 PM

Proton saga ada free anti roll bar

After full set of UR, the car became a tank LOL

Did that to my previous CRV but took off back.... too stiff sakit buntut

Lol, human error, over confidence

obviously you do not really know the whole thing on "adding a bar" to a torsion beam suspension. the so call body roll is when u do cornering, when the left and right suspension are unequal, the anti roll bar help to balance by adding a "stiffer" link between those 2.. but if u not cornering, and drive on straight malaysia uneven road, then it would be harder for the suspension to move freely due to a stiff bar connecting the left and right (same thing with you change to harder suspension or spring) and then u are the one to absorb it and hence the uncomfortable..

if you can reduce body roll during cornering and at the same time improve comfort(especially driving on uneven roads) by having stiff suspension or making the suspension "stiffer" with a torsion beam, I think u can go an patent it, surely can go rich..

This post has been edited by brkli: Sep 21 2021, 05:29 PM

I would say combination of all, lousy driver, sampan car and sampah bar

That one i think is front struct bar

more like human stupidity. they think they are smarter than the automotive engineer who design the car for normal commute use, not track/racing use..

you know early generation myvi? those came from factory without anti roll bar.. faham2 la right

i think some people dont know that alot of car came with factory anti roll bar. aftermarket roll bar are thicker ja.

This post has been edited by ihavenoidea: Sep 21 2021, 05:36 PM

got stage 1 cukup already