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post Oct 27 2021, 12:26 AM

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QUOTE(ZM Fong @ Oct 26 2021, 11:47 PM)
both also not worth TBH
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Gaming 3 is actually still worth it at it's RM3.2k-ish pricing.

Nowadays, you can't even get any gaming-ish laptop under RM3.5k.

Also, I'm much touched to see AX200 and 512GB SSD as base specs. sweat.gif

The main issue I think will be the eyesore IPS with low colour and brightness, so it's best to use with external monitor.

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QUOTE(bing0212 @ Oct 27 2021, 01:13 AM)
So 3.2k or below is worth? For gaming 3
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Well, if you in need of semi-gaming specs laptop now and unwilling to go above RM4k, that's pretty much the only choice you have for now.

As for whether it's worth... Last year Early this year, we have closely similar specs (4th gen Ryzen though) Gaming 3 for under RM2.3k, but well if everybody can predict the future, then everybody already a millionaire by now... sweat.gif
QUOTE(dagnarus @ Jan 30 2021, 11:40 AM)
If you edit according to this

System Specs: ( Edit )
Processor : AMD Ryzen 5 4600H Processor (3.00GHz, Max Boost up to 4.00GHz, 6 Cores, 8MB Cache)
Operating System : Windows 10 Home Single Language 64
Operating System Language : Windows 10 Home Single Language 64 English/Simplified Chinese
Microsoft Productivity Software : Microsoft Office Home and Student 2019 Malaysia
Memory : 8GB DDR4 3200MHz SoDIMM
Second Hard Drive : 256GB Solid State Drive, M.2 2242, PCIe-NVMe, TLC
Extra Storage Holder : HDD/SSD UIY Kit
Display : 15.6" FHD (1920x1080), IPS, Anti-glare, 250nits, 60Hz, Narrow Bezel
Graphic Card : NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 4GB GDDR6 128bit
Camera : 720p HD 4mm Camera with Array Microphone
Color : Onyx Black
Keyboard : Keyboard Blue Backlit Black English
Wireless : Wireless 2x2 AC, Bluetooth Version 5.0 or above, Low Cost
Surface Treatment : IMR
Palmrest : PC/ABS
Battery : 3 Cell Li-Polymer Internal Battery, 45Wh
Power Cord : 135W AC Adapter (3pin)-UK
Language Pack : Publication-English/Simplified Chinese
Warranty : 1 Year Carry-in

You get total:RM2,376.75.

THE CHEAPEST RYZEN 5 WITH 1650

https://www.lenovo.com/my/en/p/82EYCTO1WWEN...essageFlag=true

If you swap all for the top specs i.e Ryzen 7, 512gb ssd, better screen, 16gb ram, it should be around 3k which I personally feel a better bargain

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QUOTE(msacras @ Feb 4 2021, 07:42 PM)
But at almost whole 1k different in pricing. Kasichanlah.jpg

Lenovo is again on lelong mode when they sells this budget gaming laptop and offering “FRONTLINER” discount. The performance/price it offered is unseen or unmatched for a long time. Be it the lowest variant or highest variant, both are “dirt” cheap for what it’s offering. (Though I don’t really suggest upgrading the 1650 to Ti, it cost RM190 more just for the slightest performance increase, less than 5% IIRC).

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I also very tempted in the performance/specs this Gaming Ideapad can offer if I don’t have a working laptop with me (I’ve actually upgraded/side graded 3 laptops in the past 5 years, 2 of them sub RM1.5k cheap pricing but still no reasons to do any upgrade or purchase any time soon...)

Lenovo actually have a spinoff model called Ideapad Creator and it came equipped with a decent display. If I can source this panel for cheap and upgrade the Ideapad Gaming, I might just pull the trigger again. haha
https://laptopmedia.com/review/lenovo-ideap...-on-the-budget/

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QUOTE(am_i_rulez @ Dec 24 2021, 10:22 AM)
what code?

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DOORBUSTER one of the better code out there for now. But not much different from the default BUYNOW
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QUOTE(blaze91 @ Dec 24 2021, 09:01 AM)
Hi sifus please help me

current laptop looks like going to kaput. thinking of changing to a newer one

1. Budget : RM5k  (can +-rm500 from the amount)
2. Usage  : multipurpose. Not purely on heavy gaming but moderate .
3. Requirements (display size, battery life, weight etc) : display 15.6 and above, weight doesn't matter, waiting time does not matter too

Did a bit of searching and found Acer Nitro series closer to the price but some are with Ryzen and I dont have much input about ryzen either so was looking for i7 11th gen. Please guide me confused.gif
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Ryzen (5th gen) > i7 11th gen

Your budget can almost buy an RTX3070 Acer nitro, the cheapest RTX3070 lappy around (lowest I saw is RM5.8k). But I'm not entirely sure if it's worth going for it as Acer nitro is based on a budget model and not entirely designed for high end card like RTX3070 in mind (but at least they kept the power limit low, so less concern regarding overheating).

Your budget is more realistic with RTX3060 lappy. Yes, it's noticeably weaker than RTX3070 but at least you can get some laptop with better build quality and cooling within your budget than overstretch it just to get a cheapest RTX3070.
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post Dec 24 2021, 10:41 PM

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QUOTE(blaze91 @ Dec 24 2021, 10:06 PM)
Thanks for the suggestion. Mind to share link for acer? Is the cooling system in acer good given that nitro like you said is budget model. I have compiled a list of models within <= 6k. Can you suggest on it ?
And also more question on Ryzen. Until now I didn't consider AMD processors because thought they are crap and will be troublesome in longer run. Based on your comments up there. Is it getting Ryzen 5th gen is good? What are the processor models? I dont have much knowledge in AMD processors

Adding the list here, others please feel free to suggest on below

Dell
G15 Gaming Laptop
"11th Generation Intel® Core™ i7-11800H (24MB Cache, up to 4.6 GHz, 8 cores)
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"NVIDIA® GeForce RTX™ 3050 Ti 4GB GDDR6
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"16GB, 2x8GB, DDR4, 3200MHz
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"512GB M.2 PCIe NVMe Solid State Drive
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15.6 inch FHD (1920 x 1080) 120Hz 250 nits WVA Anti- Glare LED Backlit Narrow Border Display
Rm5,349.00

Acer Nitro 5
AN515-57-76RF
Intel® CoreTM i7-11800H 8-core processor (24 MB Smart Cache, 2.4 GHz with Turbo Boost up to 4.6 GHz, DDR4)
NVIDIA® GeForce® RTX™3050 4GB GDDR6 (75W)
8GB 3200Mhz DDR4 RAM
512GB PCIe NVMe SSD
15.6" display with IPS (In-Plane Switching) technology, Full HD 1920 x 1080, high-brightness (300 nits) Acer ComfyViewTM LED-backlit TFT LCD
Rm4799

ILLEGEAR
ONYX V (TGL)
Intel i7-11800(8C/16t)
RTX3050Ti 4GB
16GB DDR4 RAM 3200MHZ
1TB Samsung PM991 M.2 PCIe NVMe Solid State Drive
15.6" 120Hz FHD
RM5,407

ILLEGEAR
Rogue TGL
Intel i7-11800(8C/16t)
RTX3050 4GB
16GB DDR4 RAM 3200MHZ
1TB Samsung PM991 M.2 PCIe NVMe Solid State Drive
17.3" 144Hz FHD
RM5,258
ILLEGEAR
Rogue TGL
Intel i7-11800(8C/16t)
RTX3050Ti 4GB
16GB DDR4 RAM 3200MHZ
1TB Samsung PM991 M.2 PCIe NVMe Solid State Drive
17.3" 144Hz FHD
RM5,588

GIGABYTE
Gigabyte G7
11th Gen Intel® Core™ i7-11800H (2.3GHz~4.6GHz)
NVIDIA® GeForce RTX™ 3050 Ti Laptop GPU 4GB GDDR6
16GB 3200MHZ (8GB+8GB)
Gen4 512GB(5K) SSD
17.3" Thin Bezel FHD 1920x1080 IPS-level Anti-glare Display LCD (144Hz, 72% NTSC)
RM4,899

GIGABYTE
Gigabyte G7
11th Gen Intel® Core™ i7-11800H (2.3GHz~4.6GHz)
NVIDIA® GeForce RTX™ 3050 Ti Laptop GPU 4GB GDDR6
24GB RAM
512GB SSD
17.3" Thin Bezel FHD 1920x1080 IPS-level Anti-glare Display LCD (144Hz, 72% NTSC)
RM5,199
GIGABYTE
Gigabyte G7
11th Gen Intel® Core™ i7-11800H (2.3GHz~4.6GHz)
NVIDIA® GeForce RTX™ 3050 Ti Laptop GPU 4GB GDDR6
16GB RAM
512GB SSD + 1TB HDD
17.3" Thin Bezel FHD 1920x1080 IPS-level Anti-glare Display LCD (144Hz, 72% NTSC)
RM5,149
GIGABYTE
Gigabyte G7
11th Gen Intel® Core™ i7-11800H (2.3GHz~4.6GHz)
NVIDIA® GeForce RTX™ 3050 Ti Laptop GPU 4GB GDDR6
24GB RAM
512GB SSD + 1TB HDD
17.3" Thin Bezel FHD 1920x1080 IPS-level Anti-glare Display LCD (144Hz, 72% NTSC)
RM5,548
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The things bout AMD been lackluster and worse than Intel had been wrong ever since AMD launched their 4000-mobile series last year. Their 5000-mobile Ryzen easily beat Intel's offering, often with cheaper price somemore. This may change once Intel got their upcoming 12th gen mobile CPU sorted out, but before that AMD is the smarter choice.
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-Legion...r.559368.0.html
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Like I suggested above, it's mostly about the GPU and cooling. I ain't saying Acer Nitro is too bad for a budget laptop, just that it may not be optimal if you're to pair it with high end stuff like RTX3070. At RTX3060 level it's certainly still OK.

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QUOTE(blaze91 @ Dec 24 2021, 10:54 PM)
I see thanks for explanation.  I did a quick comparison between those being offered in ryzen 5000 series as below:

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel...42191vsm1442974

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel...42191vsm1522632

Can check and let me know why the comparison did not mention any advantage.  And also can suggest the models of latptop within that ryzen series you mentioned? The legion site is like so complicated and confusing icon_question.gif
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Those are user marks. In these modern days, paper specs especially clockrate don't tell you the full stories, performance is dynamic according to the power and cooling available. Follow reviews to have better ideas on what's happening.

Technically i7 is no slough either, but it's still the less wise option for it's costlier and less energy efficient. Basically AMD = more energy efficient = less heat = can run cooler = better sustained performance. Those 2 Ryzen7 equipped Legion5 can easily sustain the performance at 2.1k marks, higher than the i7.
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Tiger-Lake-H-...s.548021.0.html
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Legion 5 is an acceptable all rounder but it's price no longer as no-brainerly cheap as previous gens/years offering (basically previous years, Legion5 is the to go with gold standard for appropriate budget laptop due to good performance+decent build+great price).

p/s: The only charm of going with Intel is if you're someone who happen to need/use Thunderbolt connection. One of the main potential of Thunderbolt is to allow the use of external-GPU, which is more towards those high-end ultrabook without equally powerful GPU instead of gaming laptop we're talking bout here. And ya, Thunderbolt compatible laptop typically came with extra price premium and certainly over the 5k-ish budget we're discussing bout today.

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QUOTE(yshiuan @ Dec 31 2021, 09:08 AM)
Anything bad between this models, Honor magicbook pro and Lenovo ideapad 5 pro 82l7005hmj?

Or have any other model to recommend?
Budget around 3.5k. mainly for office work. Need 16gb ram and at least 512gb storage
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QUOTE(msacras @ Dec 28 2021, 03:10 AM)
https://www.lenovo.com/my/en/laptops/thinkb...20VECTO1WWENMY0
Thinkbook 15 G2 and configure as I did. But I do feel the high premium and steep price for going i5 and add to 2 years warranty (which should be the bare minimum for any laptops out there). But I totally won't suggest i3 version despite your overall lite usage, i5 is just so much more complete package and likely to age much better than the dual cores i3.

Another issue is the dubbed waiting time is 8-10 weeks....

But a niche plus point of it is there is Thunderbolt4 support (which is typically very rare for sub-RM5k laptop), which should make it even a tad more future-proof than those without.
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-ThinkB...p.533402.0.html

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QUOTE(Yourmotherisgreen @ Jan 2 2022, 11:01 AM)
Flexible budget, but must have good reason. If you need number then, maybe 7k but at least 7 years durability. I got 2 shop right now for both laptops I mentioned above. Lowyat n kepong.
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7 years may be hard to push for, as gaming laptops generate enormous amount of heat and the chassis may not age well with that.

Another thing is newer tech is (generally) always better than old tech; expect cheap midrange laptop 3-4 years down the line to be more powerful than your mid-high RM7k laptop today, while only costing 1/2 of that.

IMO, both Nitro and Legion have their own worth. The former focus on been the cheapest in it's class, while the latter add some refinement (display, built etc, power/thermal limit etc) to a similar package to make them more worthy of their high price tags.

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QUOTE(UroborosOrphis @ Jan 2 2022, 10:44 PM)
wait time <than 2 months

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Likely this, but current price is quite bad consider the base model went for just 3.1k last month.
https://www.lenovo.com/my/en/laptops/legion...D/p/WMD00000479
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QUOTE(sang_kenari @ Jan 3 2022, 09:14 PM)
Hello sifu,

Need a new laptop as my current one quite outdated and sometimes blue screen.

Budget: Not more than RM5,000
Usage: Web browsing, Microsoft Office and some analytical tools like SPSS, Python, Mendeley etc.

Not using for gaming but expected to at least have processor of i5 and ram of 8GB.

So far looking at Dell Latitude 5420 but open for suggestions.

Many thanks in advance

Edit: open to long waiting time (6-10 weeks)
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This model and tune the CPU to i7 (not necessary but since your tasks are mostly CPU demanding, may worth in long run).
QUOTE(msacras @ Dec 28 2021, 03:10 AM)
https://www.lenovo.com/my/en/laptops/thinkb...20VECTO1WWENMY0
Thinkbook 15 G2 and configure as I did. But I do feel the high premium and steep price for going i5 and add to 2 years warranty (which should be the bare minimum for any laptops out there). But I totally won't suggest i3 version despite your overall lite usage, i5 is just so much more complete package and likely to age much better than the dual cores i3.

Another issue is the dubbed waiting time is 8-10 weeks....

But a niche plus point of it is there is Thunderbolt4 support (which is typically very rare for sub-RM5k laptop), which should make it even a tad more future-proof than those without.
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-ThinkB...p.533402.0.html

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QUOTE(Human Nature @ Jan 15 2022, 02:01 AM)
Hi, what's coming in 1-3 months?
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Possibly some 6th gen Ryzen mobile or 12th gen Intel may be ready by then.
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QUOTE(Human Nature @ Jan 15 2022, 12:40 AM)
Unfortunately those are beyond my budget.

Would the service life of the IdeaPad 3 be the same or worse than Dell Inspiron 3000?
https://www.dell.com/en-my/shop/laptops-and...op/hni3511401my

Reason being I have zero knowledge on AMD. Already familiar with Intel naming, i3 i5 i7  sweat.gif
I am actually worried with the integrated graphic. My HP ProBook 440 G7 is already giving problem after 2 years of minimal usage.
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4th gen (mobile) onwards (which is since 2 years ago), AMD can match if not perform better than Intel on mobile CPU already. Their segmentation is similar, Ryzen 3, 5, 7, 9 etc.

AMD generally have more powerful integrated graphic than Intel (except for specialized solution) and always beat Intel in terms of pricing (like you can get Ryzen 5 vs Intel i3 at a cheaper price and etc).

Though one thing to note with iGPU is that I'll recommend to buffer 2-4GB of your RAM just for iGPU and upsize the whole system RAM of your PC. So try to go above 12 (sub-optimal) or 16GB of RAM.

BTW, despite the cheap and plastic built of Ideapad 1 and 3 series since it's inception, my mileage with it is actually OK thus far. The 180 degree hinges made it quite resistant to wears, mine is now over 2 years in service and still in tip-top condition (though I'll consider myself as someone who're more delicate with his stuffs).

I wouldn't turn down for the option if I happen to find a Ideapad 3 cheap and worthy enough for it's price. If it's sub RM2k, you just need it to last 2-3 years and made another better downgrade down the line.

But the main turn-off of all these budget laptops is often the display, extremely terrible+eyesore display. That's why Thinkpad/Thinkbook often came top of recommendation list as you can configure for a better and more fitting display with them, sadly currently they're over your budget (they used to be configurable within 3k range).

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QUOTE(Human Nature @ Jan 15 2022, 03:15 PM)
Thanks for the input. I will include AMD in my survey. I was thinking of just 8GB RAM  sweat.gif Hoping that the next laptop can last at least 5 yrs.
Lenovo takes that long time to ship and deliver the order? Not direct from Malaysia?
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Like I mentioned above, if you chosen a model without dedicated GPU which has its own VRAM, better upsize your system RAM further from 8GB.

It’s their play safe lead time, may actually be faster but you never try never know.

Nope, buying with Lenovo Malaysia, they either ship from China or SG. If you want some properly customised model, then most often it needs to come from China and with a long lead time.
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QUOTE(Human Nature @ Jan 15 2022, 08:51 PM)
I read your reply at another thread on Thinkpad and went to look at it. Is that what you mean, 8 GB + 8GB. Generally which is better, 8G+8G RAM with integrated graphic, or 8G RAM with a dedicated low end graphic card like MX350?
This is about RM3.2k after voucher, without additional warranty. About RM400 over budget. It comes with Ryzen 5500U. Any comment?

Looking at Dell for similar price range, which would you go for?
https://www.dell.com/en-my/shop/laptops-and...i35114465bntcmy
https://www.dell.com/en-my/shop/laptops-and.../hni55104101cmy

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Anyone has an online voucher for Dell store?

Any idea when Intel 12th gen processor will appear in Malaysian laptops? I don't want to look like an idiot if the current price go down right due to the 12th gen, right after I ordered  sweat.gif

Thank you all
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Those low end GPU typically not gonna be used for any gaming or graphic acceleration usages either, so most of the time they’re just worth as much as iGPU, so long as they’re powerful enough to drive your video usages (of which modern iGPU definitely should).

8+8 should still have the advantage over solely 8, for its dual channel and iGPU won’t take more than 2-4GB RAM. Dual channel RAM means a more responsive system performance too.

Not much commend on the Thinkpad, just feels that their price are so much inflated and inflexible vs what’s available last year or even few years back. But well, we all know that chips market sucks now and it’s still lucky to not have 100% price increase like graphic cards did.

Computing wise, 5500u definitely more than enough for your expected needs.

Nowadays they no longer drop price for last gen products. Though it will still feel real sucky to know your newly bought purchases got a newer and better version right after you got it.

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QUOTE(Human Nature @ Jan 15 2022, 09:02 PM)
Wait, sorry.. that spec is for ThinkBook 15 Gen 3, mistyped
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Thinkbook is ok-ish too, built wise should be slightly better than typical ideapad 1 or 3, and having Thinkpad level of customisations (though I checked yesterday customisations seem to be out of stock, I won’t recommend non-customised Thinkbook though as the default display is crappy for its price).
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Human Nature, btw the Dell looks OK specs/price wise, BUT I'm not clear on the display quality of it (which I expect it to be typical - average/mediocre) and I'm not a particularly at ease with the over-hinge design.

Such design lock the viewing angle and put unnecessary stress onto the hinges for no reason. Why the heck woul you want a fragile part like hinge to take the load of the laptop or any additional presses?

The red arrows are the reaction force exerted towards the lappy at support.

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QUOTE(Human Nature @ Jan 15 2022, 09:28 PM)
Yeah, this is my concern too. The hinge looks like my old Dell Studio. Granted it lasts for 6 years but the hinge started to crack nearing its end life.

I have to admit, the ThinkBook 8G+8G RAM is enticing. I read about the display concern too. Just wondering how poor the brightness level is. My old inspiron is just 15.6 inch LED Backlit Display with Truelife and HD resolution (1366 x 768).

Will sleep on it for a couple of days before deciding. Thanks alot for all your input.
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In a way I agree with that, the Thinkbook aren't overpriced at that either. Just that the default display is on the average side and not what I will go with if I'm getting a RM3k+ lappy.

Don't have the panel for this model, but it's Intel iteration used this display, which is OK in brightness and contrast but expectedly mediocre at color reproduction and accuracy.
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-ThinkB...p.533402.0.html

This is the specs I will go with myself if I'm getting a RM3k+ laptop. But too bad it isn't available already. Key strength is with the 100% SRGB display (upgrade for a little cost) and the Thunderbolt4 port (this is extremely rare in budget sub RM5k lappy, good for external graphic card or even futureproof against USB4).
QUOTE(msacras @ Dec 28 2021, 03:10 AM)
https://www.lenovo.com/my/en/laptops/thinkb...20VECTO1WWENMY0
Thinkbook 15 G2 and configure as I did. But I do feel the high premium and steep price for going i5 and add to 2 years warranty (which should be the bare minimum for any laptops out there). But I totally won't suggest i3 version despite your overall lite usage, i5 is just so much more complete package and likely to age much better than the dual cores i3.

Another issue is the dubbed waiting time is 8-10 weeks....

But a niche plus point of it is there is Thunderbolt4 support (which is typically very rare for sub-RM5k laptop), which should make it even a tad more future-proof than those without.
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-ThinkB...p.533402.0.html

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QUOTE(Human Nature @ Jan 16 2022, 11:28 PM)
Some questions on ThinkPad E15 Gen 3

- Which is better,  AMD Ryzen™ 5 PRO 5650U Processor or AMD Ryzen™ 5 5500U Processor? I would think that Pro is better but ironically non-Pro is +RM50.

- The fingerprint scanner, can it be used to boot up the laptop?

- Comparing between these 2 displays, which is better or are they the same thing? Dell didnt specify much.

ThinkPad E15 Gen 3: 15.6" FHD (1920x1080) IPS Anti-Glare 300nits Narrow Bezel 100% sRGB Non-Touch 60Hz
Inspiron 15 3000: 15.6-inch FHD (1920 x 1080) Anti-glare LED Backlight Non-Touch Narrow Border WVA Display

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5650U should be better for the higher clockrate and bigger cache. Though under typical use won't expect much differences between the two. PRO features are mostly some niche corporate uses and rarely affect home consumers.
https://www.notebookcheck.net/R5-5500U-vs-R...4.247596.0.html

I don't expect Dell to give high brightness (>300 nits) or wide colour gamut display for that price range.

And worse it don't even have USB C port in 2021, let alone PD charging.

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QUOTE(Human Nature @ Jan 17 2022, 09:57 AM)
Thanks.

I have a niggling issue with the Lenovo keyboard. I have another old Lenovo laptop and I recall how annoying it was with the different placement of its left ctrl key. I used ctrl+c and ctrl+v alot  sweat.gif And I found out the ThinkPad has the same layout.
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I thought Thinkpads should have according settings in Bios is change them back? Don’t have a Thinkpad with me to check though.


One of the charm of Thinkpads is their keyboards, much more solid typing feel than other typical ultrabooks.

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QUOTE(basara93 @ Jan 17 2022, 12:50 PM)
Hi Sifus,

I need some recommendation for my sister's new laptop.

Budget: 3k to 5k
Purpose: Mainly for office work that uses accountant software, media consumption. NO Gaming needs.
Requirement: Thin and light, 15 inch screen and above, CPU i5/AMD equivalent, 16GB ram, Good battery and cooling, Need to have numpad.
                    Most importantly, good quality build and good after sales service when wanna warranty.
I'm not so familiar with the product at this range, not sure is there any Ultrabook that tick all the checkbox.
anyway, thanks in advance.  notworthy.gif
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That budget may just be able to get a proper Thinkpad (their T and P series).

Else Thinkbook used to be a good cheaper option too, but currently their customisable models are not available and it’s not worth it if it’s not configured properly.

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