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post Jan 15 2022, 12:13 AM

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My Inspiron 5558 died today after 6 years of service. Coincidently, my previous Dell Studio 15 also lasted 6 years. What are the general sentiments for Dell laptop nowadays? Naturally, I am looking at Inspiron again, but it appears that those with a dedicated graphic card now starts from RM3150. Those cheaper uses UHD Graphics, not even Iris Xe.

What do you think of these Lenovo IdeaPad offering:

https://www.lenovo.com/my/en/laptops/ideapa...3-/p/82HL00EJMJ
https://www.lenovo.com/my/en/laptops/ideapa...L6/p/82H80116MJ
https://www.lenovo.com/my/en/laptops/ideapa...L6/p/82H801VNMJ

The third one has Integrated Intel® Iris® Xe Graphics, which I suppose if slightly better than UHD Graphics.


I am alsp looking at other options. Some basic requirements:

Intel processor, preferably 11th gen i3 or i5
256 SSD min
15 inch display, full HD
Usage: Microsoft office, Google Meet and Zoom, video and songs, internet, no gaming, 15 hours per day
Budget: less than RM2800, can stretch to RM3000 for a good deal.

Any recommendation?

Thank you



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post Jan 15 2022, 12:40 AM

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QUOTE(MyProLife @ Jan 15 2022, 12:19 AM)
The three ideapad models above will NOT last long

Consider at least ideapad 5 or thinkbook normal (non-s)/E series or stretch budget for s models instead if want last long or stretch for thinkpad higher end series (L or T)

AMD is same perf, yet budget friendly, so you don't have to limit just intel only

DM zm fong for discounts
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Unfortunately those are beyond my budget.

Would the service life of the IdeaPad 3 be the same or worse than Dell Inspiron 3000?
https://www.dell.com/en-my/shop/laptops-and...op/hni3511401my

Reason being I have zero knowledge on AMD. Already familiar with Intel naming, i3 i5 i7 sweat.gif
I am actually worried with the integrated graphic. My HP ProBook 440 G7 is already giving problem after 2 years of minimal usage.

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post Jan 15 2022, 12:47 AM

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QUOTE(MyProLife @ Jan 15 2022, 12:43 AM)
With discount code will be more palatable for your limited budget. Have to ask zm fong though.

Or try yourself DOORBUSTER when add in cart.
Ideapad 3xx series or Inspiron 3xxx series problem is hinge easily broken due to material plastic cut cost, so will be mostly same. If you don't mind request warrenty during 1-2year or even replace with new after warranty then go for it , your choice
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Thank you. That would be a concern. I need this laptop to last me another 5 years or more.
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QUOTE(ZM Fong @ Dec 16 2021, 10:51 AM)
mind waiting 1-3 months?
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Hi, what's coming in 1-3 months?
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post Jan 15 2022, 03:15 PM

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QUOTE(msacras @ Jan 15 2022, 05:21 AM)
4th gen (mobile) onwards (which is since 2 years ago), AMD can match if not perform better than Intel on mobile CPU already. Their segmentation is similar, Ryzen 3, 5, 7, 9 etc.

AMD generally have more powerful integrated graphic than Intel (except for specialized solution) and always beat Intel in terms of pricing (like you can get Ryzen 5 vs Intel i3 at a cheaper price and etc).

Though one thing to note with iGPU is that I'll recommend to buffer 2-4GB of your RAM just for iGPU and upsize the whole system RAM of your PC. So try to go above 12 (sub-optimal) or 16GB of RAM.

BTW, despite the cheap and plastic built of Ideapad 1 and 3 series since it's inception, my mileage with it is actually OK thus far. The 180 degree hinges made it quite resistant to wears, mine is now over 2 years in service and still in tip-top condition (though I'll consider myself as someone who're more delicate with his stuffs).

I wouldn't turn down for the option if I happen to find a Ideapad 3 cheap and worthy enough for it's price. If it's sub RM2k, you just need it to last 2-3 years and made another better downgrade down the line.

But the main turn-off of all these budget laptops is often the display, extremely terrible+eyesore display. That's why Thinkpad/Thinkbook often came top of recommendation list as you can configure for a better and more fitting display with them, sadly currently they're over your budget (they used to be configurable within 3k range).
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Thanks for the input. I will include AMD in my survey. I was thinking of just 8GB RAM sweat.gif Hoping that the next laptop can last at least 5 yrs.

QUOTE(MyProLife @ Jan 15 2022, 12:49 PM)
This is lead time to shipping AFTER you make order of Existing model like now from lenovo, nothing to do with upcoming model
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Lenovo takes that long time to ship and deliver the order? Not direct from Malaysia?
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QUOTE(msacras @ Jan 15 2022, 07:08 PM)
Like I mentioned above, if you chosen a model without dedicated GPU which has its own VRAM, better upsize your system RAM further from 8GB.

It’s their play safe lead time, may actually be faster but you never try never know.

Nope, buying with Lenovo Malaysia, they either ship from China or SG. If you want some properly customised model, then most often it needs to come from China and with a long lead time.
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I read your reply at another thread on ThinkBook and went to look at it. Is that what you mean, 8 GB + 8GB. Generally which is better, 8G+8G RAM with integrated graphic, or 8G RAM with a dedicated low end graphic card like MX350?

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ThinkBook 15 Gen 3
Processor: AMD Ryzen™ 5 5500U Processor (6 Cores / 12 Threads, 2.10 GHz, up to 4.00 GHz with Max Boost, 3 MB Cache L2 / 8 MB Cache L3)
Operating System: Windows 10 Pro 64
Display Type: 15.6" FHD (1920x1080) IPS 300nits Anti-glare, 45% NTSC
Memory: 8 GB Soldered DDR4 3200MHz + 8 GB SO-DIMM DDR4 3200MHz
Hard Drive: 512 GB M.2 2242 SSD
Warranty: 1 Year Depot
AC Adapter: 65W USB-C
Graphics: Integrated AMD Radeon™ Graphics
Second Hard Drive: None
Battery: 4 Cell, 60Wh
Camera: 720p HD Camera with PrivacyShutter
Fingerprint Reader: Fingerprint Reader
Keyboard: Backlit, English
Pointing Device: ClickPad
Security Chip: Firmware TPM 2.0
Wireless: 11AC (2x2) & Bluetooth® 5.0

This is about RM3.2k after voucher, without additional warranty. About RM400 over budget. It comes with Ryzen 5500U. Any comment?

Looking at Dell for similar price range, which would you go for?
https://www.dell.com/en-my/shop/laptops-and...i35114465bntcmy
https://www.dell.com/en-my/shop/laptops-and.../hni55104101cmy

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Anyone has an online voucher for Dell store?

Any idea when Intel 12th gen processor will appear in Malaysian laptops? I don't want to look like an idiot if the current price go down right due to the 12th gen, right after I ordered sweat.gif

Thank you all

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QUOTE(msacras @ Jan 15 2022, 09:01 PM)
Those low end GPU typically not gonna be used for any gaming or graphic acceleration usages either, so most of the time they’re just worth as much as iGPU, so long as they’re powerful enough to drive your video usages (of which modern iGPU definitely should).

8+8 should still have the advantage over solely 8, for its dual channel and iGPU won’t take more than 2-4GB RAM. Dual channel RAM means a more responsive system performance too.

Not much commend on the Thinkpad, just feels that their price are so much inflated and inflexible vs what’s available last year or even few years back. But well, we all know that chips market sucks now and it’s still lucky to not have 100% price increase like graphic cards did.

Computing wise, 5500u definitely more than enough for your expected needs.
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Wait, sorry.. that spec is for ThinkBook 15 Gen 3, mistyped
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QUOTE(msacras @ Jan 15 2022, 09:18 PM)
Human Nature, btw the Dell looks OK specs/price wise, BUT I'm not clear on the display quality of it (which I expect it to be typical - average/mediocre) and I'm not a particularly at ease with the over-hinge design.

Such design lock the viewing angle and put unnecessary stress onto the hinges for no reason. Why the heck woul you want a fragile part like hinge to take the load of the laptop or any additional presses?

The red arrows are the reaction force exerted towards the lappy at support.

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Yeah, this is my concern too. The hinge looks like my old Dell Studio. Granted it lasts for 6 years but the hinge started to crack nearing its end life.

I have to admit, the ThinkBook 8G+8G RAM is enticing. I read about the display concern too. Just wondering how poor the brightness level is. My old inspiron is just 15.6 inch LED Backlit Display with Truelife and HD resolution (1366 x 768).

Will sleep on it for a couple of days before deciding. Thanks alot for all your input.

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QUOTE(msacras @ Jan 15 2022, 09:34 PM)
In a way I agree with that, the Thinkbook aren't overpriced at that either. Just that the default display is on the average side and not what I will go with if I'm getting a RM3k+ lappy.

Don't have the panel for this model, but it's Intel iteration used this display, which is OK in brightness and contrast but expectedly mediocre at color reproduction and accuracy.
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-ThinkB...p.533402.0.html

This is the specs I will go with myself if I'm getting a RM3k+ laptop. But too bad it isn't available already. Key strength is with the 100% SRGB display (upgrade for a little cost) and the Thunderbolt4 port (this is extremely rare in budget sub RM5k lappy, good for external graphic card or even futureproof against USB4).
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That was the post i saw which prompted me to peek at ThinkBook.
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post Jan 16 2022, 03:09 PM

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QUOTE(Titan_Gunners @ Jan 12 2022, 09:15 AM)
Just bought Lenovo Thinkpad E15 Gen3 on their official website, ard rm3.4k
Official LT is 10 weeks. But i order early Dec 21, received by 1st week of Jan 22.  biggrin.gif

AMD Ryzen 5
16GB ram
512GB SSD
15.6inch Screen
2 yrs warranty
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Hi how is the experience so far? I suppose this is the customizable unit? The panel is the standard IPS or you upgraded it too? Any comment about it?

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QUOTE(MyProLife @ Jan 16 2022, 03:22 PM)
Now lenovo website most think or even ideapad models has removed the customization option, you can now choose from preconfig options only subject to stock availability

Are you urgent or can wait for a while for possible better deals (but not very likely)?
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Yeah, I am waiting for a better deal. Maybe another 1 week before placing an order. The DEALDAY coupon is no longer applicable today, but I think one will resurface again soon. Who knows, maybe have GONGXI deal laugh.gif

From Lenovo website, IdeaPad Slim 5i ships within 5 weeks, so that's out.

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Some questions on ThinkPad E15 Gen 3

- Which is better, AMD Ryzen™ 5 PRO 5650U Processor or AMD Ryzen™ 5 5500U Processor? I would think that Pro is better but ironically non-Pro is +RM50.

- The fingerprint scanner, can it be used to boot up the laptop?

- Comparing between these 2 displays, which is better or are they the same thing? Dell didnt specify much.

ThinkPad E15 Gen 3: 15.6" FHD (1920x1080) IPS Anti-Glare 300nits Narrow Bezel 100% sRGB Non-Touch 60Hz
Inspiron 15 3000: 15.6-inch FHD (1920 x 1080) Anti-glare LED Backlight Non-Touch Narrow Border WVA Display

Thanks

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Thanks.

I have a niggling issue with the Lenovo keyboard. I have another old Lenovo laptop and I recall how annoying it was with the different placement of its left ctrl key. I used ctrl+c and ctrl+v alot sweat.gif And I found out the ThinkPad has the same layout.
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QUOTE(msacras @ Jan 17 2022, 01:31 PM)
I thought Thinkpads should have according settings in Bios is change them back? Don’t have a Thinkpad with me to check though.
One of the charm of Thinkpads is their keyboards, much more solid typing feel than other typical ultrabooks.
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This gonna be useful, thanks. So they are aware about this.
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Went to several pc stores to look see, mainly to look at the Lenovo screen IPS screen. No one has ThinkPad, so I just use the IdeaPad for evaluating since they are using same panel. As expected, the brightness level is poor, have to increase it to 90%. The sRGB screen customized from Lenovo online has 8-10 weeks shipment. I doubt I can wait that long.

Inspiron 15 3000 is easy removal from the list. Dislike that the whole laptop body moves when the upper screen is lowered down.

A few of the shops were recommending their HP, Asus and Acer. These 3 brands seems to be widely carried by physical store. Asus OLED kinda caught my eye. Any comment on this OLED screen?

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QUOTE(msacras @ Jan 15 2022, 09:01 PM)
Those low end GPU typically not gonna be used for any gaming or graphic acceleration usages either, so most of the time they’re just worth as much as iGPU, so long as they’re powerful enough to drive your video usages (of which modern iGPU definitely should).

8+8 should still have the advantage over solely 8, for its dual channel and iGPU won’t take more than 2-4GB RAM. Dual channel RAM means a more responsive system performance too.

Not much commend on the Thinkpad, just feels that their price are so much inflated and inflexible vs what’s available last year or even few years back. But well, we all know that chips market sucks now and it’s still lucky to not have 100% price increase like graphic cards did.

Computing wise, 5500u definitely more than enough for your expected needs.

Nowadays they no longer drop price for last gen products. Though it will still feel real sucky to know your newly bought purchases got a newer and better version right after you got it.
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Hi, sorry to bother you with another question on this. Would you still pick a single 16 GB DDR4 3200MHz over MX450 2GB DDR6?

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Finally placed an order, 1 week after my pc died. Got an IdeaPad 5i with Intel i5, 8GB RAM, MX450, 512 GB SSD and sRGB FHD for just a little over RM3000. Thanks everyone for your input, esp msacras. Now is the waiting game
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QUOTE(msacras @ Jan 21 2022, 07:50 PM)
sRGB on ideapad? That’s a rare one too.

Hopefully it’s good and congrats on your purchase.
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Yeah, base model comes with i3 processor. That's why I missed this earlier because I filtered out i3 and Ryzen 3.
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QUOTE(msacras @ Jan 21 2022, 08:55 PM)
BTW, mind share your final configured specs?

I noticed that Lenovo only bundle MX450 with i7. Also don't forget to grab the MS office home and student.
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As below.
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The MX450 is also a customized from the base.
I selected Microsoft Office Trial because couldn't use the coupon with the MS office home and student. Accidently discovered this. Already have O365 so fine for me.

Also, I think you get extra model with customizable option using edu account. For example, can customize ThinkPad E15 Gen 3.

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