but thats the thing.

microsoft says it's not them. phison says it's not them either.

then u got every tom d**k and harry any sort of crash issue, then they blame on this windows update supposedly affecting ssd.



take this youtuber for example (click baity not a fan haha). He has an issue, but it fixes itself when he swaps the ssd for a different ssd. Everything else remains the same.

When he swaps ssd, he uses a ssd clone to copy over the data, thats how the contents are the same. only difference is the ssd swap.


BUT EVEN THEN, i did not see him attempt to delete the windows update, and try using the bad ssd and seeing if it still has issues or not. Because after all, isn't the culprit supposedly that bad windows update? Has anyone done the test where they could get it working fine AFTER removing the supposedly bad update? wouldnt that then be proof the update is at fault? thats my question.

My own issue, i couldnt boot up my pc. reset didnt help. But what worked was doing a FULL reformat for the boot ssd drive. system was stable again. I didn't install back the windows update in question, and didn't experience any boot up issues i had before.

But thats not to say the issue couldn't be something else entirely, like maybe malware or some sort of corruption i don't know.



all i'm saying is either

1. it is microsoft windows fault for a bad update (it wouldnt be the first time), but they dont take accountability

2. it's phisons fault. they lied same like windows, nobody wants to take blame

3. everybody blaming the windows update for their issue (WHEN IT MAY BE UNRELATED and caused by other things. lets be honest). And maybe, just maybe microsoft and phison were both right that its nothing to do with the update or the ssd controller.



i'm sitting on the fence for now and waiting longer. just because they say it's not them, doesnt seem credible to me. as for randos on reddit saying its that, did they do proper testing to know for sure? lots of these people are newbs and dont know basic troubleshoot, so how on earth would they know?



for my ownself i removed the update and set update to pending few weeks while i wait and see. no rush


fyi this is my ssd a crucial p5 2tb
https://www.techpowerup.com/ssd-specs/cruci...-plus-2-tb.d108

no it doesn't use a phison controller. instead has a Micron DM02A1 controller.

still i rather be safer than sorry, seeing as i had a recent boot up and constant crashing issue which i narrowed down to something related to ssd (not necessarily the windows ssd rumor. could be something else i donno. but for me the reformat fixed the issue)


*update

the windows updates in question are

KB5063878 or KB5062660 (preview).



This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Sep 1 2025, 11:32 AM

that is what i am also saying. mass hysteria. but at the same time i dont just simply believe what either microsoft and phizon are saying either (companies lie, wouldnt be the first).

This is why i would rather wait for trusted sources doing actual tests and coming to some sort of conclusion. I trust gamers nexus. I dont think they posted any videos testing this yet, just only circulate the news. So no real conclusion them yet. Maybe that is an upcoming video.

The one that i found is Jay. He usually just cycles what other sources say without testing himself, so i wouldnt rely on him either (usually his material is just click baity).



this also reminds me of the news about 9800X3D having issues, particularly with asrock motherboards. Has a similar vibe to the windows situation as nobody knows whats causing it, whos at fault (everyones pointing the blame at others), and people just quick to say its that when it might be something else. sounds familiar?


my own situation with my recent ssd issue, i can clearly say i dont know if its related to the windows update or not. all i know is that a reformat solved my issue, so clearly it wasnt a hardware issue, that seemed clear.

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Sep 1 2025, 11:38 AM

update

Engineering Firmware Identified As Root Cause For Windows 11 SSD Failures
The discovery was shared by a group on Facebook, with Phison reportedly confirming the findings in its labs.

https://www.lowyat.net/2025/365263/engineer...1-ssd-failures/


so no, people werent imagining an imaginary issue (for this specific issue. doesnt mean everything can be blamed on this as other things possibly happen). something did cause these bsods for ssds.




so what it came down to, update the ssd firmware.

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Sep 9 2025, 06:10 AM

if i am not mistaken, in Jay's video the root cause was the newer motherboard firmware was causing his issue. as when he used an older firmware the problem went away.

so maybe for his case at least it's not related to windows update causing ssd issue?

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Sep 11 2025, 04:55 PM