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post Jun 12 2021, 11:12 AM, updated 5y ago

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Hello everyone,

Just a gist of it, I am paying for the house loan, the utilities & groceries (milk & diaper for my baby) and my bring home pay is around 30k per month & the Mrs is bringing home around 5k a month.

We had a fight this month and she exploded saying she doesn't get any money from me & her colleagues husbands all "put money in their purses when they see its empty".

I am reluctant to give because majority of the money I make goes to my son's education via investments & I do not expect her to chip in at all for the maintainance of the family well being.

Am I the asshole?
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post Jun 12 2021, 11:22 AM

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QUOTE(db07mufan @ Jun 12 2021, 11:16 AM)
You're not an asshole but if you earn 30k I believe a little bit wont hurt. Benefit outweighs the risk.
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QUOTE(tamealphonse @ Jun 12 2021, 11:16 AM)
You make 30k which is quite a hefty amount, it's no harm opening another fund for you to put some money into so that your wife can enjoy a little.

NTA, but you do love your wife and you also want her to be happy right ? Bagi chance la
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Thanks for the reply. I asked her how much you think I should give you to be comfortable. She asked for 5k which I think is lunacy. The work I do is very skill intensive and I come home feeling very exhausted everyday so in my mind why do I have to do this when an office 9 to 5 worker doesn't do much gets double?

Sorry I'm just ranting now cuz I'm pretty upset.

How much do you think is reasonable?

This post has been edited by Avangelice: Jun 12 2021, 11:22 AM
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post Jun 12 2021, 11:29 AM

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QUOTE(mini orchard @ Jun 12 2021, 11:27 AM)
Maybe she cannot 'see' the investment part you are doing. The money with her is more secured.

Ask her why she need so much ? Can bincang what.
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She doesn't save & invest and every month I hear her tak cukup duit. She spends on shopping I reckon. Beats me I thought her money is gets, just dou job to keep a roof over our heads and be comfy. Mana tau she's been suppressing herself
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post Jun 12 2021, 11:31 AM

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QUOTE(e-lite @ Jun 12 2021, 11:27 AM)
You already had your answer in mind from the way you posted your topic. I personally feel that if you are not willing and do not trust your wife that you can give her your full RM30k per month every month, and then you gives you back whatever you think you deserve (she literally becomes the finance minister of the house), then I don't think both of you trust each other
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You are right I do not trust her. If I let her handle our money, when the storm comes we don't have any savings at all.
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post Jun 12 2021, 11:34 AM

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QUOTE(mini orchard @ Jun 12 2021, 11:32 AM)
Her upbringing issue, .....similar like my spouse. Luckily she dont demand but pretend nothing happen at counter ! So I avoid going shopping ... lol
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Same. All my work clothes are scrubs and just cheap uniqlo tees

When she spends she can spend 500 to 900 without thinking twice.

I wanna get an electric mop that cost 600 I think twice until didn't get it
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post Jun 12 2021, 11:37 AM

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QUOTE(Ayedd @ Jun 12 2021, 11:34 AM)
Based on what youre saying, I kinda get why you're reluctant and a part of me wants to say kudos for staying your ground and Mrs shouldnt be listening to her friends, these things will only ever make things worse.

But none of us here really know you or your wife to give a piece of fair advice. But being married to your wife, Im sure to some degree you understand your wife and the things that influence her. So give it time and then talk to her about it, hopefully one that doesn't end with an argument.

If that calm reasonable heart to heart talk does not bring a favorable conclusion then, by the obvious, you would have to decide if some money is worth more than your relationship/family.

Also, I could only assume you child is still a baby given the milk and diapers, so maybe you still go easy on saving up for his education. Being prudent for the future is great and all but sometimes "right now" is more important.
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Sound advice. I'll take heed. Thank you
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post Jun 12 2021, 11:50 AM

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QUOTE(Mr.Robert @ Jun 12 2021, 11:46 AM)
She washed ur underwear n clothes n give birth a son, okay 5k is reasonable can consider.
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She doesn't do my laundry or cook FYI. I do those things at home

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post Jun 12 2021, 11:56 AM

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QUOTE(Takudan @ Jun 12 2021, 11:51 AM)
What she just did was to compare you to some irrelevant strangers out there, and that is toxic, just like how you should not compare your kids to other kids who score better, and say why can't you do the same. This might be one of the reasons you're upset, and I think she should know what she said has hurt you. But again, this is a one sided story from you, so I hope you keep an open mind that you may have also said something that hurt her.
The amount of money is very relative to every person, every amount may mean differently. For example....
To me, I earn way less so 5k a month is A LOT, but 500 is acceptable. To her (my guess), you earning 30k is a whole lot, 5k should be easy money.
To you (my guess), 5k to "waste" is too much, because there isn't enough to spare after all the expenditures.

So I think what's missing is a breakdown of both of your expenditures.
You need to justify to her where all that money you have is going, and what's a comfortable amount you can give to her.
She needs to tell you why she wants that amount, for what, and how is she is currently spending her own money.
Both have to be transparent and open to each other's view. I understand why you say you don't expect her to contribute to the family expenditures at all, considering the fact that you make a whole lot more. But it sounds to me that at the same time, you sound a little condescending to your wife, that she is totally not spending at all for the family and her own 5k goes to branded bags. Sorry if my assumption of your thoughts came completely off, but if it has any hint of truth at all, then you ought to learn how she's spending, so that you can have a peace of mind that the amount you are about to give is an amount you're okay with going down the drain. But then again, I believe that financial planning is a must for everyone and I'm not talking about investment; I mean the awareness of your money inflow and outflow, so that you can make better decisions and plan for the rainy days.

All that said, allow me to shamelessly introduce to you my annual budget tracker spreadsheet laugh.gif check it out in my signature, if you'd like to try it out with your wife
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When I enquire about her money spending she says the make up I buy is so I look good for you. You don't want to be seen with a run down wife right? Clothes? Also same.

She says she wants a maid and I said no eventhough she doesn't do any house chores. I ask about her cc and it seems to be always maxed out. When we first got married I was shocked she was just paying her maxed out cc with monthly minimal payment & had to settle it by closing one of her ILP & close the cc.

Now she's back with the cc problems.
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post Jun 12 2021, 11:59 AM

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QUOTE(mini orchard @ Jun 12 2021, 11:53 AM)
Honestly speaking, your wife is vulnerable to other men who can splurge money.

I am not trying to frighten you but you need to do something and not brushed it aside.
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Not wee bit worried about that. My parents are divorcees. Not a stranger to using marriage as a black mail
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post Jun 12 2021, 12:09 PM

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[12/06, 11:56] : I'm open to discussion
[12/06, 11:56] : I'm opening up now
[12/06, 11:56] : And I don't mind discussing
[12/06, 11:57] : You shut me down now then you suppress it
[12/06, 11:57] : Next time we fight you bring it up again
[12/06, 11:57] is that fair to me?


[12/06, 11:59] Other ppl don't even need to hv this kinda discussion
[12/06, 11:59] The husband just give
[12/06, 12:00] Cos it just be a biz transaction
[12/06, 12:00] No different from a hooker and her client
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post Jun 12 2021, 12:26 PM

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[12/06, 12:25] Anyways I don't see a point of discussing
[12/06, 12:25] Cos that just seems rather sad and pathetic on my part
[12/06, 12:26] : How sad that I need to hv a discussion to see how much my husband is willing to give his money from his heart
[12/06, 12:26] I rather not have any money from u
[12/06, 12:26] And just depend on myself
[12/06, 12:26] I hv been doing that all this while

Sigh... Guys help? I'm so lost on what to do

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post Jun 12 2021, 12:33 PM

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QUOTE(LaiN87 @ Jun 12 2021, 12:28 PM)
Both of you are on the same team.
I'm not sure if you're trolling or not, if it's copy paste from another place, all of the message log should have the same format [12/06, xx:xx] : , however some have ":" and some don't. But lets give you the benefit of the doubt.

Financials goals, same life goals are important in a marriage.
I wonder how come this was not talked / surveyed before marriage.

I suggest you can give some money to cover daily meals / spendings that can be in a joint account.
If can teach her to do budgeting will be better.

In the end if fight and both unable to see eye to eye and later divorced? You have to pay alimony also same.
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QUOTE(Takudan @ Jun 12 2021, 12:30 PM)
LMAO wait this came from her?? Wow I'm surprised she's willing to equate herself to hooker to get free money from you.
Did I misunderstand something? Why does she want to degrade your relationship into a business transaction? If she mean by discussing it, turns it into a business, then I have to question how you guys have been carrying on with your marriage for so many years without a single financial discussion.......
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Because we married thinking the husband pays for everything which I accepted. This hit me like a lorry when she said I didn't give her allowance like other husbands.

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QUOTE(9m2w @ Jun 12 2021, 12:33 PM)
If you don't mind me asking which part of this convo is hers? This plus the cc part and justification for spending is indicative of something serious and deep rooted.
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[12/06, 11:59] Other ppl don't even need to hv this kinda discussion
[12/06, 11:59] The husband just give
[12/06, 12:00] Cos it just be a biz transaction
[12/06, 12:00] No different from a hooker and her client

Hers
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QUOTE(ketnave @ Jun 12 2021, 12:42 PM)
What is the notion of marriage to her ? Is it just partnership ?

These seems to be a bit odd, what's the context here ?

[12/06, 12:00]  Cos it just be a biz transaction
[12/06, 12:00] No different from a hooker and her client

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I opened up to discussion on how much she should think I should give her per month after she exploded during our argument about me not giving her any money.

Her thinking is that discussing about it is beneath her. I shouldn't be talking just give.

So my understanding is I give 500 is good? Since don't need to discuss right?
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QUOTE(9m2w @ Jun 12 2021, 12:44 PM)
Sigh

You got to have a heart to hear talk. What you make is beside the point, and from what you say you're more than pulling your weight in the family. I fear you give in its never gonna be enough. Elephant in the room is frankly her attitude . Shes not acting like an adult and a wife and mother

Good luck 🤞
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Trying to right now. She's not giving in discussing with me. Now she shut down texting me
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QUOTE(popopi @ Jun 12 2021, 12:48 PM)
From all the replied I see from you above...
I think you are not ready for a family.. better divorce...give the lady more freedom...
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And what happens to my son? He lives without a mom or dad? Or having to know that's not his biological mom or dad?
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QUOTE(kesvani @ Jun 12 2021, 12:58 PM)
KEK... You priotize your kids which will leave you when they reach 20 instead of your wife which will stay with you till death do apart.
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Have you seen how our education in Malaysia is failing and how much is it to send a kid or two to UK? As a parent we want the best for our kids so I'm putting all my best for him. To her putting him first and foremost means I'm a shitty husband
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QUOTE(GTA5 @ Jun 12 2021, 02:02 PM)
How's the sex life?

No, seriously.
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After giving birth to a child you'll have confidence issues with your body. So no. It's ziltch
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post Jun 12 2021, 02:17 PM

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QUOTE(GTA5 @ Jun 12 2021, 02:09 PM)
Hugs bro.

I don't know what advice to give you.

My own marriage also not doing so good, talked about divorce a few times.

Most importantly, take good care of yourself bro.
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Same. I poped the question to her last week. I told her others are suffering now no job and I'm working and able to withstand this Covid but seems macam not enough for her. I told her try finding a husband that don't expect you to do house wife chores but she say why compare yourself to bad husbands when there are better ones out there.
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QUOTE(hirano @ Jun 12 2021, 02:17 PM)
You're capable for it. I think 1-2k a month is a reasonable amount from what you are earning.

Your woman is your life partner. For LIFE. Not just your baby machine or maid.
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And what does It leave me? I cook everyday after coming from work. I do my laundry. I wash the plates. I hired a nanny for my son & is with me at my clinic everyday.

So how is it that she makes me feel like I'm not doing enough?

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