Ok, so as not to hijack the other thread, here's replies to flush and sets84 question on my spell rotation. And yeah, damn malu when just above the tank. I forgot to mention that it's in 5-mans. Aduh!

And looking back at the raid fights, except for Gruul, I'm usually in #5-#6 spot on the Damage meter. Mags and Loot Reaver is in the coming weeks to learn and hopefully by then, I'd have changed some of the enchants and gear that I have.

VT - Vampiric Touch
VE - Vampiric Embrace
SWP - Shadow Word : Pain
SWD - Shadow Word : Death
MF - Mind Flay
MB - Mind Blast

Spell rotation : Opening starts with this sequence -

VT - SWP - VE - MB - SWD - MF - MF - time to refresh VT.

After that, it's a refresh of the VT, SWP, VE, in that sequence based on the duration of the spell.

Whenever MB or SWD is up, it gets casted until I'm hovering near the threat list or with mobs that drop aggro. Else, it's only MF-MF-MF and refreshing dots VT, SWP. VE mostly up all the time but if it drops, I'm not so bothered else pull too much aggro.

I'm using NaturEnemyCastbar to check on DoTs.

check out nihilum's illidan fight
they are showing from a shadow priest's pov

Better understanding on the theories and game mechanics are in this thread at Elitist Jerks forum

http://elitistjerks.com/f31/t12855-working...crafting_2_1_a/

Shadow Priest DPS Spreadsheeet - Comes with recommended spell rotation on the Excel spreadsheet.

http://elitistjerks.com/f31/t10122-shadow_...ps_spreadsheet/

Thanks for the link. The problem with the 1st page is that it's a summary. Not sure how accurate so most of the time, I'm hanging out at http://www.shadowpriest.com . And still another problem is that because I've not reached the level of gear that those Shadow Priests are posting that it's hard to see what I'm getting at my lower gear.

As for the spreadsheet, yeah, I know abotu it. The updated link is here : http://www.shadowpriest.com/viewtopic.php?...der=asc&start=0 . And yeah, have used it. Very geram coz last night, still couldn't get the 800 DPS that the spreadsheet projected, even with the spell rotations that's in the excel sheet and trinkets. So grrr...

This post has been edited by myremi: Sep 5 2007, 02:45 PM

Just bear in mind that, those spreadsheet are projected DPS results. Nothing is fully tested on real time, DPS output at times could be affected by environment. If it's just a straight out DPS fight of tank and spank, maybe the projected DPS could be done or match to the numbers.

I certainly have the gears for my Balance spec, which I'm so eager to try out on Void Reaver again as pure Balance spec. I was a hybrid at the time when I was given the license to DPS. For druids is basically stacking +Hit > +Spell Dmg > Crit.

If can actually test out you're dps on the trash mobs between boss fight. You might be able to compare the dps between them.

Oh, if in 5-man instances that are non-heroic, it's ok if ure not the top dps. In short fights, our dps won't look impressive because it takes time for our debuffs on mobs to scale (shadow weaving, misery) not to mention our DoTs can't reach its full dmg potential when the mobs dies within 5 seconds. Also, our burst dmg is sh!t compared to other classes.

U should be the top dps, if not the 2nd in heroics tho, esp during boss fights in heroics. We hardly have to CC. All we do is pewpew!

As for your spell rotation, the only change I would make is to remove VE from your rotation. Leave the healing to the healers, and concentrate on your pewpew. U save up to 1.5 sec not using VE. Also, when u say u are monitoring ur DoTs using NECB, are u re-casting VT when there is 2 - 1.5 secs left on the bar or right after it's ended?

For boss fights, you can start your spell rotation with a rank 1 SWP for the misery debuff and 1 point into the shadow weaving debuff. Ur next spell immediately does 7% more dmg, at a cost of 25 mana.

Also, u might want to get Quartz, or learn to time casting ur spells 0.25 secs sooner, since when playing with our lag, our spells are over sooner than we think.

Do not VE so early in a fight, it cause major agro. Let the tank built up more threat then VE. That way you can do more dmg. You shouldn't be needing the healing from VE that badly early on.

urgh. 700 mb. tonite's download. cheers for the tip.

pr0digy : Yep. I know that. The only place I would use DPS numbers for comparison is Dr.Boom test. Even if the differences is about 10-50 DPS, I'd still be happy. Although relooking the numbers, it could be that what I'm getting is actually accurate. Time to hunt for more enchants and gear. Ah well.

flush : Yep. The gear is the irritating bit. But I'm relax about gearing up which probably fueled my frustration of not doing enough DPS! LOL! The only thing left now are certain enchants, Darkmoon:Crusade, Bracers and Gloves from Kara. Mind you, I'm only looking at gearing up for SSC, TK. Hopefully with the guild's raid progression, it'll be easier to gear up for better DPS.

SWP Rank 1 : Nice trick! Thanks!

NECB and casting VT during the last 1.5-2 secs : Yep, I do. The only time that I don't is either when there is lag spikes or when the VT gets resisted. With my current gear, it gets resisted about 1% of all the VTs that I do cast.

Quartz : Done. Along with stopcasting macros.

flush + dishwasher : And true on the VE bit. I should lay it off. But then again, overhealing shouldn't be generating aggro unless it's AOE damage that is being taken by the party. So, hmmm... but again, it depends on who is the tank. I'll hold it off and see what happens during tonight's raid.

When in doubt, http://elitistjerks.com/forums.php is ur best bet. =p

hey flush, how many mana pots did u bring to 25-mans? getting a bad feeling that i'm probably going to bring more than my usual 20 for wipe nights.

Around 20 is the norm for maybe a 3 hour duration. But I usually end up using about 14 and even less.

Us undeads use less mana pots cos we dish out more dmg than other shadow priest races with our Inner Focus + Devouring Plague (except for trolls in certain situations ie. berserking during curator), thus returning more mana with VT on.

The best time to consume ur mana pot is when ure past the 3k mana mark, so that u will have a fast 2 min cd on pots, or wait till ure past 4k and use shadowfiend. With a 5 min cd, if you use it early on a long encounter, the shadowfiend will be up again during the last quarter of the fight.

Knowing when to use ur shadowfiend can save u a few mana pots. Like just b4 Gruul does his shatter. Happened to me lots of time.

Back to the question, yeah if its one of those wipe nights, expect to use more than 20. I console myself by telling myself I wear cloth. :`(

Another thing, u should be able to gauge how well or how badly the raid is going. If its going to be a wipe, then save urself on the mana pot and use shadowfiend instead. Those long ass runs back to the instance and having to rebuff will guarantee that ur shadowfiend cd will be free by then.

Hope this brings u a little bit of comfort in ur wipefest tonite.