This problem seems not to be isolated. Hisense Thailand lists the A6500G as having Local Dimming. But the Thai manual does say the A6500G has Dolby Vision based on the Dolby logos at the end of the manual.
Do you have any experience in using the aforementioned a6500G Hisense model? I've not been able to find much info. It will be mostly used for Astro and I am wondering how well it will upscale SD content.
I don't have any experience with the A6500G.
It's 2022. LCD TVs have been around for over 20 years. TVs from the last 10 years would not screw up upscaling standard definition content. Whatever deficiencies you see in the image is the result of them being in standard definition. The lack of detail and color is still going to be there, just made bigger with the bigger screen. If you want to have an idea of what that looks like, just watch any music videos from the 90s that are not remastered to 1080p or 4K.
For example, Freedom 90 by George Michael. Shot on 35mm by David Fincher.
This version is mastered in standard definition at 480p. Betacam was the best they could do at the time to get it to cable and broadcast TV.
This version is mastered from the original 35mm neg to 4K. I'm sure they scanned it at higher than 4K and then printed the final video back to 35mm for archival purposes.
So don't worry too much about standard definition content on 4K TVs.
You said it in another thread that you want a TV to give to your mother-in-law. Most probably she won't notice much differences. Only you would be maybe notice it. If she actually can differentiate between OLED, QLED, local dimming and micro dimming, then you shouldn't be looking to buy her the A6500G.
So to be fair, i know diff TV's use diff chips which upscale the content different / better. So just want to get the right model that upscales well or best.
With the A6500G, you're not going to get the best because it's an entry level model. This is true if you buy from Hisense or Samsung. The better the processing, the higher the model in their range and the higher the price.
Upscaling is not just about the chip. It's all the related software that goes into processing the image. Different manufacturers have different ways of making it work.
RTings.com has published an article about upscaling tests they have conducted. You can see how each TV performs and how the higher their performance is, the higher level their product number and the bigger the price.The A6500G is not there obviously because RTings is in Canada. The closest in spec terms is the A6G.
Saw this review on YouTube which was quite positive (although may be sponsored)
Maybe not sponsored but "heavily influenced". Noticed the "about Hisense" section on that video. Sponsored videos can't be monetized by the YouTuber. Maybe some money changed hands. Maybe not. Reading the comments section, I don't think Adam Lobo realized that the U7G North America is different from the rest of the world
LCDTVThailand review video had a similar section. But his review is far more extensive with a bit more scientific data put in.
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Any real-life reviews of the MY/SEA version of 65U7G?
From this thread.
QUOTE(faizdtk @ Sep 29 2021, 10:00 AM)
Got my u7g yesterday. Don't know how to review but from my inexperienced eyes, this tv really great. Its way better than my 5 years old full hd tv (also hisense). Can't comment much on the image quality compare to other 4k tv since this is my 1st 4k tv. Vidaa os is ok and pretty smooth. I don't like that I can't remove preinstall apps. Too much useless apps for me. If someone know how yo remove the apps, please comment. For gaming, this tv also support vrr and dolby vision for gaming. I'm using xbox series s.
This guy sold his 55 U7G because he wanted a 65" TV. Didn't disclose what 65" TV he bought in replacement.
QUOTE(ikhwandayne @ Sep 10 2021, 12:50 AM)
I think it is bangs for your hard earned bucks. Dolby Vision-Atmos, HDR10, Full Array, Local Dimming at this price is a bargain. The only thing that is wrong for me is the size as I'm looking for the 65" or higher.
This guy bought the U800QF, which is the higher up model before the U7G. The U800QF is too similar to the U8G (Thai model) to not be considered a shameless name change by Hisense. I included his review here because of the similarities in specs to the U8G Thailand model.
QUOTE(ntc3freak @ Sep 8 2021, 02:28 PM)
Hello. TV was delivered yday evening and I have set it up on my TV console (Ikea Besta with Ikea Uppleva mount). Some first impressions :
1) 65-inch is incredibly big! Viewing distance is about 2.5 meters. Will take some time to get used to, but it's nice to be this immersed into the content. Context, I was coming from a basic LG 43-inch Full HD TV from 2016. This is a massive step up in size and everything else.
2) IT LOOKS AWESOME! I mean, I might not have the sharpest eyes to detect blooming, ghosting, motion blurs and all that. I'm also not the kind of person to throw up a bunch of test videos on this TV to find its flaws. I plugged it in, and straight away started to enjoy my usual content on Netflix, Plex, and Youtube. It's an incredibly enjoyable experience IMO.
3) HDR content really pops! The screen gets really bright to the point that gun muzzle flashes (sp?) and things like lightning get shockingly bright. Never having had a HDR TV before, I don't have anything to compare to. Regardless, I'm impressed by the dynamic range it is able to display in the shadows and highlights.
4) Full-array local dimming is great. I've been watching Night on Earth (Netflix) a lot, and the effect is just stunning, even with the subtitles on. Shots with the lit moon on one half of the screen and complete darkness on the other blows my mind away. Even when subtitles are on, I have not noticed issues with blooming around the text, at least not to my untrained eyes. The black levels really impress me, and I'm not sure it gets much better than this other than going full OLED.
5) Motion is a bit iffy with some settings. With smooth motion disabled, motion is quite juddery and stuttery. I also notice it sometimes struggling a bit with dark areas. I have played around with it, and so far am settling with the 'Film' setting, and it seems to have fixed those issues. 'Smooth' is a bit too buttery and Soap Opera for me, and I don't like it (maybe later for football or F1), but definitely not movies and shows. I will continue to experiment with this, but so far I am happy with 'Film'.
6) Speakers are okay, better than most TVs, but definitely more garbage than any average sound bar. Doesn't matter to me, I don't use the TV speakers at all other than the initial testing while the TV was set on the floor. Overall, I am really surprisingly impressed by this TV. It looked great in the store, but I feel it looks even better at home. Even watching 1080p content is really enjoyable (mind you, I am using the upscaling from my nVidia Shield Pro 2019, so it might just be the Shield's excellent upscaling). For the price I paid, I am really happy with it. No TV is perfect, and this one certainly is not either, but the price-to-performance ratio hits the sweet spot for me
Interestingly, Hisense just launched in Singapore. Their U7G promo video was released on YouTube two weeks ago. Price wise, their MSRP is the same as the discount price of Hisense Malaysia's official store on Shopee. Perhaps due to being late to market as compared to Thailand and Malaysia, Hisense SG is offering a 3-month Netflix subscription and an antenna.
Would I be able to play games on my PS5 that support 120fps with upscaling despite the lack of HDMI 2.1 and 120hz panel? I don't really understand the MEMC part with 120Hz smooth motion rate.
Nope. You can't play at 120Hz at 4K. This is a similar situation back in 2006 with PS3 displaying games at 720p and upconverted them to 10800p while the PC version displays it natively at 1080p. Except that most games on PCs can't do 120Hz in 4K and show high level of details and apply ray tracing anyway. If you intend to play competitively at 120Hz, get a 120Hz monitor.
MEMC stands for Motion Estimation, Motion Compensation. Most TV are shot in 24, 25 or 30 fps. Most films are shot in 24 fps. The U7G, and probably most other mid- and low-end TVs, have native 60Hz panels. MEMC creates frames in between the gaps of 24 fps into 60fps. They are not actual frames from the original content, just an estimation and compensation. The MEMC chip can create fake frames at 120Hz but the U7G panel can only display half of them.
You do not want to enable MEMC if you want to play well on the PS5 as it creates lag. Creating fake frames is not the fastest operation. Best set the U7G in Game Mode and ALLM, and play at 60Hz.
I see. Many thanks for your answer. I don't multiplayer games much, more of a singleplayer + couch coop with my wife. I just want to see if I able to play Doom on my PS5 with 120fps with the tv. So no MEMC for gaming, only for watching movie got it.
Couch coop TV requirement is to get the biggest TV within your budget. PS5 Doom in 120 fps would be nice but not with the U7G, at least the international version.
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Also, would you prefer Sony X90J over Hisense U7G? I'm contemplating these two. Although the Sony X90J has no VRR atm, at least it has HDMI 2.1 and better colour out of the box right? I'm worried about colour calibarting the U7G as I'm not really an expert in these things.
If you have the budget for a 65" X90J, then go for that.
Hisense 2021 lineup is not for the high-end 4K market. They left that to go with 8K TVs and I don't know if that strategy is working for them. The U7G is for the mid-end market, for people who want quantum dot, FALD panels but not pay through the nose for it.
Many professional reviewers have said that X90J have better color accuracy out of the box. For average users, they won't know the difference. Most TVs sold at retail, including the big brands, are set at the Dynamic mode as their retail mode. Most users who set their TVs at home seem to prefer the garish dynamic look.
The X90J has better color accuracy. It doesn't have the quantum dot filter, which means it doesn't have a wider color gamut, for forever. You can't retrofit the quantum dot filter to it. The U7G has WCG out of the box. You can get the U7G professionally calibrated but...
Most people don't know that calibrated TVs are meant to be watched in dim rooms, something not practiced in most living rooms. They also don't know that it's not a one-time thing. In professional settings, TVs and monitors for film/TV production work are meant to be re-calibrated every 3-6 months. If professional equipment needs recalibrating, consumer grade equipment needs them too.
So what does this all mean? If you label yourself as demanding color accuracy, you need to tinker with your TV. Get a colorimeter - they usually come with the proper software -, find out your TV's secret menu and calibrate according to the schedule. If you are just an average user, you can use the AVS HD 709 videos and a blue filter to calibrate your TV.
If you just care about brands and models, then a mid-end Chinese brand is definitely not for you.
Thanks a lot, man. I just pulled a trigger with 55" Samsung QN90A at a hefty discount. I heard that all of the models are using IPS in MY but I guess this is probably the best one I can get with my budget. Hope for no buyer's remorse.
Most often the buyer's remorse is "I should've gotten the bigger TV."
If you're going to game a lot, like 80% of the time, I suppose the X85 for the 120Hz panel. No game, PC or console, will have enough GPU power - as of 2022 - to give you high-res texture and ray-tracing that you would get when gaming at 1080p/1440p at 120Hz.
I think gaming maybe around 20%-30% of the time only. Most of the time will be drama/YouTube and movie once a week sometimes no.
Well since this is the Hisense thread... You may want to look into the U7G for its FALD feature and Quantum dot. Just make sure you have another Android device so that you can watch Disney+Hotstar, Apple TV and Amazon Prime. I don't know if the VIDAA store has them yet.
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Beside these model any comment on TCL C725?
You can ask in the TCL thread. But I think the C725 is like the X80 - no FALD and 60Hz panel. The C725 has Quantum dot for a wider color gamut.
Mr. Chanchai Bhandhufalck, Sales & Marketing Director of Hisense International (Thailand), said Hisense plans to introduce new products in 2022. This will include the launch of three ULED TV segments: the flagship ULED Mini-LED “U8H Series”; Premium ULED “U7H Series”; and Quantum Dot ULED U6H Series.
By the time the H series comes out sometime in August, we'll probably see a new Hisense 2022 thread. In the meanwhile, Malaysia-Thailand borders will open soon.
andrekua2 was right. Turning off MEMC fixed the issue Now no more ghosting/artifacts
Glad to hear it.
QUOTE(andrekua2 @ Feb 27 2022, 08:21 AM)
Yeah. It also took me a while to find out. I even swapped out my gpu thinking it was the problem because my old plasma tv didn't have this problem. I think it was black frame insertion which causes artifacts especially when you have hairs being blown by wind scene. Turning off memc would get some stutter but that's a lot better than getting artifacts.
Most cartoons and anime are made at 24/25 fps but with only just 12 frames of movement, if at all. The stacatto-like movements and color shift are probably too much to process for an average MEMC SoC. If you see smooth, animated movements in anime, then there are more frames of being animated in that scene.
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I'm short of PSU, otherwise I would love to replay the same scene on my X90J to see if more expensive tv has better memc control.
Flagship TVs probably has a better spec SoC to handle MEMC. The SoC is probably AUD2-3 more than the average. The bulk of the BOM is the panel itself.
Sorry, this may be out of topic. I have listed down between Sony X90J and Hisense U8G. But seems like U8G haven’t arrived yet to Msia, and U7G is kinda rare to look at in Lazada/Shopee. Which between the two TVs do you prefer more?
Just on specs, the X90J is the better TV. The cheapest I can find for a 65" is RM5,700.
Staff said it has 120hz. And the prize quite high RM4.3K almost same prize as Sony 65X85J RM4.6K. So is it U7G Malaysian set got 120hz?
It's what andrekua2 said. The international version is not the same as the US version, which is the preferred version due to the specs.
As far as price is concerned, you can get the 65" U7G for RM3,800 plus delivery from this seller on Shopee. If you want, you can pay for the additional extended warranty. Just make sure you choose the extended warranty option during checkout. So with the Tivo Stream 4K, you're spending about RM4,100+.
QUOTE(Ainnolj1 @ Apr 11 2022, 07:12 AM)
Tq Bro, so the staff dont know what r they sell
It's not just Harvey Norman's staff to blame. Hisense International is also at fault. They made the US version the best version while the rest of the world got the lesser version while keeping the naming convention the same.
The 2022 Hisense line-up would probably come out in September. Hopefully the U7H would be a 120Hz upgrade, based on what Hisense Thailand has announced. No idea if U8H would be coming in to Malaysia as that one is the top product for Hisense this year. It has QLED and mini-LED.
QUOTE(Puteih @ Apr 11 2022, 09:14 AM)
So the Tivo 4k is where I should install all my stuffs in if I want to? To be honest For the past couple of years we only use our TV for Netflix, Youtube and local channel TVs (through their websites respectively).
Well you want to use Android primarily because new apps appear there faster than the VIDAA ecosystem. Like when Disney+Hotstar launched in Malaysia but didn't launch yet on VIDAA. Android ecosystem also has Prime Video, Apple TV+, Movies Anywhere as well as Google Play.
The Tivo 4K is Dolby Vision certified and would display the DV streaming content correctly with the U7G.
This thread is over one year old already. Probably because of supply chain issues, as well as the China lockdown, things are not coming out as they are expected. Including TVs and TV parts made in China.
Anyway, here's a bit of news out of Hisense Australia.
Australia and South East Asia share product line-ups, most of the time. So the 2022 product range should be the same. Whether or not we will get the U8H this time around remains to be seen. U7H is guaranteed.
I think the earliest that Hisense will get products out will be September, like last year.
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