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 What genre is DotA in?, RTS or RPG?

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nickisthemost
post Sep 3 2007, 11:51 AM

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no lar Warcraft III is definitely a combination of RPG and RTS but for Dota it's only RTS because there is no character story of development, cheers happy.gif btw the Warcraft I and II is RTS cause they haven't implement the "Hero", heck i play Dota from starting of V5 map to V6 nobody ever touch the topic lol

PS: i found so many noob here tongue.gif
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post Sep 4 2007, 06:19 PM

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QUOTE(H@H@ @ Sep 3 2007, 12:13 PM)
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you miss my point there a RPG need to be in with story and also with character development means that how the character evolved, so if the game have heroes doesn't mean it's a RPG cause there is no story behind this character instead there are just some simple description of the hero origin when u select them.

If you play older version of V5 you can't choose the oponent hero, but in later version you can choose both side of heroes which mean this game is just based on strategies not storyline game, how can a sentinel hero destroy thier sentinel tree lol, it's just a game by player for the player, cheers happy.gif
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post Sep 5 2007, 01:15 PM

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I dunno who bring this RPG sh*t in this DOTA game anyway, stupid fags !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Do u guy even played RPG and known the origin of RPG, yes there are many RPG even DMC or God of War is also consider RPG, but the game is heavily based on an action so it's called an action game and the Warcraft III is based on RTS so it's basically it's a RTS.
Bah !!!!!!!! it's doesn't matter Dota it's RTS for me and don't quote me anymore fags happy.gif
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post Sep 5 2007, 07:03 PM

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QUOTE(befitozi @ Sep 5 2007, 06:34 PM)
Yes warcraft III is based on rts but dota is not.
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RTS = strategy

i think Dota had that more than any genre, end of story bye happy.gif
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post Sep 6 2007, 12:34 PM

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QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Sep 5 2007, 08:14 PM)
DotA has more strategy than any genre?Thats bullshit.Since when you need strategy,DotA depends more on timing of an action than strategy.

I'll agree with you if you say DotA needs more team work than any other genre.
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issin't timing part of the strategy, so do teamwork lol, don't repeat yourself, cheers happy.gif

QUOTE(H@H@ @ Sep 6 2007, 10:25 AM)
DMC and God of War are RPGs?

1997 called. They want their genre definitions back. Those were the times where pretty much EVERYTHING was considered an RPG simply because you took on a role. This was why the mass media labelled Quake and Command & Conquer as both RPGs.

DMC and GoW are 3rd person Action Platformers. They have some minor RPG elements, but the kicker is that the combat is more reliant on personal skill rather than stats. This is very unlike DotA (Which some often confuse). True enough that you need skill to be good in DotA, but if you're level 5 and the enemy's level 20, its very unlikely you'll beat them, unlike in DMC or GoW. So, your definition is sort of correct.

But... you bring this up:
Warcraft 3 is an RTS therefore DotA is one by default.

So, mods are automatically assumed to be in the same genre as their source game... Pretty narrow thinking now dontcha think?
Alien Swarm is a mod for UT2004 (An FPS) , but it bears more in resemblance to Geometry Wars than that.
Unwheel is a mod for UT2004 but it plays more like Need for Speed rather than a shooter.
Counter-strike is a mod for Half-Life (A pseudo futuristic shooter) but they are technically in different sub-genres. HL is more fast paced action oriented while CS is more tactical squad based.
If it doesn't matter, why are you here?

And this is the Internet baby... If you don't have the balls to defend what you're posting, just shut up and don't post squat.

You post something stupid here, you better damn well be sure I'm going to reply to it (Instead of leaving it there unattended and thus boost your ego thinking you've won or something).
Strategy... I'll bite:
Civilization 4 - Its all strategy but definitely not an RTS (Not real-time)

Dynasty Warriors 5 - The strategy is in making sure you manage the battle properly so your defense lines don't get broken.

Devil May Cry - The strategy is in deciding when strike a boss or dodge attacks. Yeap, last I checked, that counts as a "strategy"

Pro Evolution Soccer 6 - Picking the formations, players and tactics all counts as team strategy.

Now, can you buggers stop using literal definitions of an RTS to argue that DotA is one? There's more to an RTS than just the existence of "strategy" in the game, because plainly put, ALL games will require some "strategy" on your part so this point is moot.

At least TeokPeow argued that it had some aspects of an RTS in it... You're just basing it on the fact that the source game is an RTS and that it contains "strategy".
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relax i'm not trying to put crap in the arguement or have balls or not, is just that i'm lack of english vocabulary propabaly the knowledge of genre defination which had changed or evolved since there are so many type of game combining genre, that's why i cant give good debate.

I've been playing rpg since 1997 till now, then changing to Warcraft 3 and Dota, and i don't really see much similarity in both of the game, but i do agree that there are some element of rpg and action in it but not enough to changed it into these genre.

just some off-topic question

since when did u play rpg ?

since whne did u play Dota (hell, my fren play it since V4 happy.gif) ?
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post Sep 7 2007, 03:43 PM

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QUOTE(H@H@ @ Sep 7 2007, 11:42 AM)
Repeat what? My point was strategy can be found in just about every game. Quote me the place where I said teamwork isn't part of strategy.
i'm talkin to other's not you dry.gif

QUOTE(H@H@ @ Sep 7 2007, 11:42 AM)
Ok, please tell the reasons why you think Warcraft 3 and Dota deserve to be in the same genre. We're not mind readers.
Warcraft and Dota is different, i already stated that dry.gif

QUOTE(H@H@ @ Sep 7 2007, 11:42 AM)
Nice... Trying to discredit my views by making me look like I have no experience?
don't assumed things too much kid, i'm trying to put myself in your position

QUOTE(H@H@ @ Sep 7 2007, 11:42 AM)
I'll bite:
I can't remember exactly when I played my first RPG (like it matters). I will however, tell you what I've played:
Final Fantasy 6 -8
Fire Emblem
Fallout 1 & 2
Neverwinter Nights 1 & 2
Knights of the Old Republic 1 & 2
Might & Magic 6 (Hated it, but heh)
Elder Scrolls 3 & 4
Deus Ex
Planescape: Torment
Diablo
Revenant
Silver
Icewind Dale
Sudeki
Fable
Vampire The Masquerade: Bloodlines
Temple of Elemental Evil
Lionheart (Utter rubbish)
Silent Storm (sorta an RPG)
Warhammer 40K: Chaos Gate
Dungeon Siege 1 & 2
Guild Wars
That's all I can remember off the top of my head.

So, really it doesn't matter how long you've been playing a genre... Its the quantity. Reason? You could've been playing nothing but stupid RPGs since 1997 and that wouldn't make your knowledge of the genre any better. Same reason why the selection of games you've played in the genre should be broad enough so that you can tell what's good and what isn't.

As for DotA... I was playing it when it was originally called "DotA" only (For Reign of Chaos). The core concept and gameplay remains the same so it doesn't really matter when I started now does it? Again does it matter?
/character assassination failed

Happy?
i can see that most of the RPG you play are english based not Jap except FF lol, now that i know why u think Dota have big element of RPG, cause i've play most of Jap rpg rather than english based except few such as Diablo and Baldur's Gate

as for the conclusion i respect your opinion as Dota was part of rpg, cause that was your opinion and i'm not going to argue about it.

but seriously arguing with u is like fighting over a candy whether it is sweet or not, which is lame

QUOTE(H@H@ @ Sep 7 2007, 11:42 AM)
So, really it doesn't matter how long you've been playing a genre... Its the quantity. Reason? You could've been playing nothing but stupid RPGs since 1997 and that wouldn't make your knowledge of the genre any better. Same reason why the selection of games you've played in the genre should be broad enough so that you can tell what's good and what isn't.
And...... finnally this bolded part has shown how immature and childish you are, i've been playing type of genre since you where sucking your moms n.... omg we were born in the same year cheers happy.gif

PS: do you buy original game for all the games that u had mention lol ?, if you do wow ! u must be really rich biggrin.gif

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