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alexz23
post Oct 12 2021, 01:14 PM

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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Oct 12 2021, 01:08 PM)


So what u want is 2 type of drone, 1 is technologically superior, another just commercial off the shelf cheap drone which we wrote the AI for surveilant purposes.

So please list out your

1) 1 that is technologically superior than TB2

2) just commercial off the shelf cheap drone that has the range and endurance of the TB2 (300km datalink range and 25 hours endurance)

3) Total cost of both. Can both of them be cheaper than 70 million dollars for 13 TB2?
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post Oct 12 2021, 01:21 PM

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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Oct 12 2021, 01:08 PM)


No one going to do the good old day of buying plenty of small ship then put themselves in harm way to detonate mines rather than get a big ship full of drones.


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is a corvette carrying drones fits your definition a big ship full of drones?

my plans for small ships is to carry USVs and UUVs that has MDC (mine disposal charges)

multiple small ships can operate at multiple points of the minefield at once. those ships not going to enter the minefield, just the USV and UUV.

1 OSV as mothership

2-4 alexLMS to carry USV and UUV to multiple points of the minefield. Also to reload the MDC of the UUVs. So UUVs don't need to swim far to go back to a mothership.

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post Oct 12 2021, 01:26 PM

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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Oct 12 2021, 01:08 PM)

We also not flying in contested airspace thus TB2 which cost more than a helo is not exactly the best buy either
https://internationalaviationhq.com/2020/09...st-helicopters/

What does a list of the cheapest helicopter in the world has to do with TB2?

Can any of those helicopters be in the air to do surveillance for 25 hours?

Are helicopter flying costs as cheap as the TB2, which just have a 100hp engine?


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post Oct 12 2021, 01:45 PM

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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Oct 12 2021, 01:36 PM)
Isn't that what you always wanted?

A sovereign self design self invent weapon systems
If you want that then Just go throw the money at aerodyne

https://vulcanpost.com/763444/aerodyne-mala...providers-2021/

Go ask them wherever it's possible to wrote an AI to limit the amount of human operators and run automatically and only allert if something suspicious happened on something cheap like the fullmar.
TB2 are not technological superior at all.
It's just a normal drone operated remotely by human not an AI drone.
You ain't going to do a swarmed attack with it nor it's resistance towards jammers. Good enough to hunt down technological inferior insurgent or Armenian. You ain't going to fight Russian backed group with it nor ain't going to be a loyal wingman. Doesn't really help us find PATI nor help us fight Chinese.  What do you propose we bought it for?
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Aerodyne is a drone service provider company.

I am asking about the Hardware. If TB2 not technologically superior, then tell me what is, with similar or cheaper cost.

Tell me why TB2 cannot help us find PATI nor help us fight Chinese. Then tell me what UAV that can do both that meets your requirements?





QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Oct 12 2021, 01:36 PM)

What do you propose we bought it for?


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What TB2 can be used for?
- long range surveillance of illegal immigrants.
- long range surveillance of IUU fishing
- long range surveillance of foreign naval forces
- over water and over land SAR support
- over the horizon targeting support for TLDM ships
- laser target designation for TUDM fighter jets
- armed overwatch of ground and naval forces of ESSCOM area
- monitoring the patterns of life over a surveillance area.
- GMTI (ground movement target indication)
- plus many others.

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post Oct 12 2021, 01:49 PM

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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Oct 12 2021, 01:36 PM)


Isn't that what you always wanted?

I wanted TB2 from the beginning (can go seach all my posting here) and now you put things in my mouth and say i wanted something else?

Just consider i am not agreeing to anything that you say, even if you don't have a better plan than what you disagreed with me.

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post Oct 12 2021, 01:59 PM

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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Oct 12 2021, 01:36 PM)
A sovereign self design self invent weapon systems

Have I? What did I self invent?

even my alexLMS

- dutch designed ship. The performance of the ship, the speed, the endurance is what i am interested in. Have low costs. Have a big deck space when compared to the size. Can run with the gowinds if needed to, and have long range similar to OPVs. Current LMS 68 and even Kedah Class does not have the speed to run with the gowinds.
- british sourced towed array sonar for ASW (kraitarray). The ship to be used as wingman to the gowinds with Thales active CAPTAS2 sonars.
- off the shelf 30mm gun (british, turkish or even chinese)
- off the shelf missiles on modular ISO platform.
- off the shelf modular mine contermesure system from europe. alexLMS just the platform to carry them.


For CN-235 MPA ASW upgrade

- lightweight MAD sensor from canada. MAD tailboom already designed for turkey.
- miniature sonobuoys and podded launcher from UK
- sonar signal processor from italy that is already integrated with the sonobuoys.
- stub wing from PTDI Indonesia that has already been fully developed for Jordan.


all are about getting the best off the shelf designs for our needs and our budget.

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post Oct 12 2021, 10:43 PM

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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Oct 12 2021, 05:35 PM)
Great plans if you what you have a Lego set and every equipment run windows & connect with USB C with plug & play. Then run McFee antivirus software to keep the Chinese out
Take note that

1)putting the Ceaser gun on a new truck double the price up.

2) f35 overall software cost $10 bil & block 4 upgraded software cost $1.3 billion.

3) Saab global eyes with is basically moving errie eyes equipment + off the shelf MPA equipment into a new jet body cost $1 billion each to UAE, 300 to 400% more then a wedgetail for RAF.

You can only plug & play if someone else had pay the intergration cost like ESSM + gowind, AESA + hornet, 737 + aew antenna, atr72 + mpa equipment.

What you can't do is add $100 mil for aew radar + existing A320 = $100 mil A320 AEWC. What you can do is add $100 mil to existing 737 + $50 mil upgrade cost or get an existing A330 & pay $50 mil to get A330 MRTT. If it's that simple RAF would not buy wedgetail nor German would buy the Poseidon since they are shareholders of airbuses ain't they? If they do they can expect to pay $1 billion each like the UAE did with global eyes.

Similarly, can't just add  $2 mil AESA radar + $30 mil FA/50 = $32 mil AESA capable FA/50.  If it's that simple Ph won't be looking at F16 & Gripen C rather than pay for software upgraded on the FA/50 won't they? Saab is offering Gripen c to pH at $60 mil a pop btw.
https://www.pna.gov.ph/articles/1153692

As for the LCA, RMAF has a budget of about $1.7 billion to buy 36 LCA. Thus the budget for a BVR capable LCA is around $50 mil a pop. 
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nst.com.my...cquire-lca-jets

It's mean the software upgrade cost for FA-50 amount to $720 mil to $1 billions. (Off course LM did promise to upgrade the F35 software for $712 mil though it's now cost more than $1.3 billion)

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/549490-f...million-overrun

not to mention the risk of delayed like the 6 years delay for our new varient of little bird.

So again. Your  gravely miscalculated on the complexity & cost also the risk of delayed of weapon intergration and thus come with a misleading conclusion that ATM general is not bright.
How is paying $1.7 billion ($700 mil is R&D for software development) for upgraded  FA50,  to achieve the whole BVR capable LCA who also a LIFt that can do interceptors  program better then  Just get a normal LIFT then $300 mil to retrofitted 2 existing 737 into a wedgetail then spend the rest upgrading Kuwaiti hornet or instead of wedgetail buy some amraam for NASAMs & $100 mil for ground radar.

Just wait for someone else desperate enough to pay the intergration cost of AESA into a lift like turkeministan paid for the M346FA. Or just get M346FA and forget about it ever being an interceptors. It's pretty much risk free solutions.
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Seriously the amount of misinformation this person spews out is toxic. This is coming from someone who has no technical inclinations and understanding, but commenting on technical details.


QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Oct 12 2021, 05:35 PM)

1)putting the Ceaser gun on a new truck double the price up.
No it does not.

Original 6x6 variant for Morocco 239 million euro for 30 units
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defense_new..._howitzers.html

New 8x8 variant for czech 333.3 million euro for 52 units
https://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-...4334m-deal.html



QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Oct 12 2021, 05:35 PM)

2) f35 overall software cost $10 bil & block 4 upgraded software cost $1.3 billion.
F-35 is a platform of 3 different aircraft with different software control parameters (1. conventional takeoff, 2. vertical takeoff and landing, 3. carrier version with bigger wings). When all you see is the cost but not the amount of work done. Block 4 is a compilation of 54 improvements, not just 1 like adding a BVR missile software to the FA-50. 1.3 billion dollars to change 54 very complex software parameters of 3 different aircraft variants is cheap.

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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Oct 12 2021, 05:35 PM)

3) Saab global eyes with is basically moving errie eyes equipment + off the shelf MPA equipment into a new jet body cost $1 billion each to UAE, 300 to 400% more then a wedgetail for RAF.

You can only plug & play if someone else had pay the intergration cost like ESSM + gowind, AESA + hornet, 737 + aew antenna, atr72 + mpa equipment.

What you can't do is add $100 mil for aew radar + existing A320 = $100 mil A320 AEWC. What you can do is add $100 mil to existing 737 + $50 mil upgrade cost or get an existing A330 & pay $50 mil to get A330 MRTT. If it's that simple RAF would not buy wedgetail nor German would buy the Poseidon since they are shareholders of airbuses ain't they? If they do they can expect to pay $1 billion each like the UAE did with global eyes.
Nobody is suggesting A320 AWACs.

UAE Globaleye does not cost 1 billion dollars each. Where did that number came from???

Someone else has done integrating the Erieye Radar with Bombardier Global 6000 aircraft. That is UAE.

A single UAE Globaleye without support costs, is priced at 234 million dollars
https://www.arabianaerospace.aero/idex-saab...eye-to-uae.html

Pakistan ordered 3 extra Erieye 2000 for 152 million dollars. So a single Erieye mounted on Saab 2000 aircraft is about 51 million dollars.
https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/air-warf...-aewc-aircraft/

A Bombardier Global 6000 with just Erieye radar system (not the complex globaleye system) can cost less than 100 million each.
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I would not comment on the rest of what he writes. They are not based on any facts!
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post Oct 12 2021, 10:58 PM

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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Oct 12 2021, 05:35 PM)
Similarly, can't just add  $2 mil AESA radar + $30 mil FA/50 = $32 mil AESA capable FA/50.  If it's that simple Ph won't be looking at F16 & Gripen C rather than pay for software upgraded on the FA/50 won't they? Saab is offering Gripen c to pH at $60 mil a pop btw.
https://www.pna.gov.ph/articles/1153692

Because you don't understand how tenders work.

http://maxdefense.blogspot.com/p/multi-rol...cquisition.html

The Philippines MRF tender does not include FA-50, as it is considered as a light fighter. Aircraft shortlisted in the MRF is the Gripen C/D and F-16V.

There are calls in the Philippines for the airforce to drop the MRF tender and buy a 2nd batch of FA-50 instead.

https://p-upload.facebook.com/MaxDefense/po...642413295929321

KAI has offered Philippines 12 FA-50 Block 20 with BVRAAM capability at half the price of Saab Gripen C/D offer.





Also BVR does not need AESA radar to work. FA-50 Block 20 is BVRAAM capable with the existing radar.

TUDM SU-30MKM is BVRAAM capable and has a PESA (passive electronically scanned array) radar.

TUDM F/A-18D is also BVRAAM capable and has a mechanically scanned array radar.

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post Oct 13 2021, 10:55 AM

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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Oct 13 2021, 08:07 AM)
Let me repeat.

*Chech republic do pay twice the price of Denmark for the Ceaser.
*UAE do pay twice for global eyes then RAF pays for wedgetail

Like i said, real equipment aren't Lego set that you can just plug & play.

Your post on how global eyes cost half by the third order proof that. You only comes to a conclusion that you can plug & play because you never bother that they did infact pays more for global eyes compared to wedgetail on the initial order.

It's pretty much proof the first idiot who commission an intergration pays for the cost of intergration & people afterwards just pays for the equipment.

If ATM by your claim don't have money how is it commissioning new weapons & pays for intergration help them do that? If anything they shouldn't go around commissioning new things.

If ambik Lego block & cantum are cheaper then just buying complete thing. Why do you think army around the world doesn't do it already? You really think you the only.smart.alex that had figured those out?😂

Imiginasi is great and all but do base it on reality if you want to compared to real world stuff. As it is you are bitter at reality because you compared it to fantasy that weapon are Lego blocks.
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Denmark and Czech republic uses the same tatra 8x8 chassis. Your statement of changing chassis is wrong. Czech buy also includes a lot of extra equipments. Denmark price is just for the howitzer only.

UAE cost for globaleye. This includes extensive support costs. First 2, including development costs are 1.27 billion dollars. A third aircraft 234 million dollars. Fourth and fifth aircraft, plus further support contracts 1.08 billion dollars.
A total cost of 2.584 billion dollars including maintenance support.
https://www.arabianaerospace.aero/idex-saab...eye-to-uae.html

UK cost for 5 Wedgetail, 3 of the aircraft would be used airliners. Total 1.98 billion dollars. Each Wedgetail 396 million dollars. Cost of aircraft only.
https://www.airforce-technology.com/news/uk...-aewc-aircraft/
If consider support costs, 2.16 billion pounds, or 2.94 billion dollars.
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/uk-cutting-...edgetail-order/

So your statement UAE pay twice for globaleyes than RAF pays for Wedgetail is totally false
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post Oct 13 2021, 11:36 AM

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whatever lah.

no use talking to those that has no idea what they are talking about, when i actually do technical and engineering work day in and out.

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so i am having enough of these idiocy.
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post Oct 21 2021, 12:01 PM

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TUDM LCA/FLIT

https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/six-...af-lca-contract

https://defencesecurityasia.com/syarikat-bi...-flit-lca-tudm/

https://tanahairdefence.blogspot.com/2021/1...gs-october.html

https://www.malakattribunenews.com/2021/10/...ca-baharu-tudm/
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post Nov 8 2021, 02:18 PM

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silly Defence Security Asia.

That interview is old news, even if just published.

Using old RFI news for its new gripen article. Now tender already closed with just 7 companies answering the tender, and gripen is not among those that answered the tender.
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post Dec 29 2021, 02:10 PM

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QUOTE(TechSuper @ Dec 29 2021, 10:02 AM)
Tun Muhamad Amin kita bila nak start re-hull ni? buat kt mana?
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Rehull already started. Being done at Grade One Marine Shipyard Sdn Bhd.


By the way, the 2 current korean frigates in service with Philippines Navy. Contract signed 2016, keel laying 2018, both ships operational with the Philippines navy by 2021.

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post Jan 14 2022, 04:18 PM

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congratulations to the Philippines on becoming the first export user of BRAHMOS

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post Feb 10 2022, 04:46 PM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Feb 10 2022, 03:58 PM)
great for indonesia to get

42 Rafales and 2 Scorpenes.

but what does this mean?

Indonesia will need to pay at least USD7 billion for those 42 Rafales if we look at the cost of previous deals.

The scorpenes probably will cost USD1 billion.

we do know for 2022, from the total indonesian defence budget of USD9.3 billion, USD 3 billion would be for new equipments. If each service gets USD1 billion, those Rafales will swallow up all the airforce buying budget up till 2028 or whereabouts.

Right now Indonesia is at the end of the queue for rafales. When can indonesia get all 42 Rafales? 2028?

How many years will Indonesia need to use the Rafales? more than 30 years? Can Rafales still be relevant in 2040-2050?

Will the buy of Rafales affect indonesian payment for I-FX R&D?

Can TNI-AU afford to regularly fly 42 expensive Rafales?

So is F-15EX is now out of the picture?

With its new capital Nusantara in Borneo, surely at least 1 squadron of Rafale will be in Borneo. How will TUDM react to this deployment? Need new fighter squadrons in Kuching?



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post Feb 10 2022, 05:17 PM

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QUOTE(shootout @ Feb 10 2022, 04:58 PM)
They already set up a plan $125 Billion for defence modernization....$7 Billion is still nothing i guess.
They are not a bunch of kid.....they will considered before they execute.
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That $125 billion plan is from 2020 up to 2044, a 25 year period.

http://theconversation.com/what-is-indones...ed-to-do-163080

That is what they plan, but can the nation take the burden of that much debt?


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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Feb 10 2022, 05:05 PM)
sigh... we can only look in envy to our neighbors....
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no need to.

I would not agree if TUDM gets rafale now instead of badly needed LCA/FLIT. Other nations are buying stealth fighters, that is what TUDM needs to buy next after LCA/FLIT. Not something like the Rafale that is going to be obsolete in a few years time, just like our current Hornets.

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QUOTE(azriel @ Feb 16 2022, 08:34 AM)
Looks like KAI had speed upped the KF-21 Boramae program. Mass production to begin in 2024.
Read more: https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/air-warf...ia-pacific-and/
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Indonesia has also invested in funding the aircraft but, having placed an order for 42 Dassault Rafales on 10 February and receiving approval from the US State Department to buy 36 Boeing F-15 Eagles (designated F-15ID) on the same day, its commitment to the KF-21 — and an expected order of 50 aircraft — looks increasingly uncertain.



If Indonesia does not want the KF-21, it would be good if Malaysia buy them instead. I would trust the koreans to have the KF-21 come out as per planned.

I would rather fight in a KF-21 in 2035, rather than in a Rafale.

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