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azriel
post Jan 6 2022, 12:06 PM

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Indonesian new indigenous MALE UCAV Elang Hitam (Black Eagle).



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post Jan 6 2022, 12:16 PM

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KF-21 Boramae Unit 1 Prototype undergoing ground vibration test. Credit to DAPA.

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Mai189
post Jan 6 2022, 12:24 PM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Jan 6 2022, 11:59 AM)
A lot of people go ga ga over pics and concepts. It is another thing altogether 2 operationalise the concepts. One should follow the loyal wingman development by Boeing-Australia and see how difficult it has been. Developing the UAV chassis is one thing but to develop the brains, AI and connective systems is another thing al2gether.

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azriel
post Jan 6 2022, 12:39 PM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Jan 6 2022, 12:39 PM)
berapa puluh kg agaknya explosives ada dalam SUV tu?
big ass explosion woooo
Mai189
post Jan 6 2022, 12:50 PM

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QUOTE(Mai189 @ Jan 6 2022, 12:24 PM)
A lot of people go ga ga over pics and concepts. It is another thing altogether 2 operationalise the concepts. One should follow the loyal wingman development by Boeing-Australia and see how difficult it has been. Developing the UAV chassis is one thing but to develop the brains, AI and connective systems is another thing al2gether.
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Just fyi 2 put things in perspective. South Korea was only able to build the Kf 21 after Lockheed and General Electric provided some tech and guidance=assistance. Meanwhie Elbit and Elta of Israel provided terrain following/avoidance sensors and radar.

South Korea is just not there yet in terms of building aerial vehicles at that level. Maybe they could do it by themselves in future. But not now.

But it also why Msia should not touch this jet and go for 5th gen jets from the US or Europe.
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post Jan 6 2022, 12:52 PM

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QUOTE(TechSuper @ Jan 6 2022, 12:41 PM)
berapa puluh kg agaknya explosives ada dalam SUV tu?
big ass explosion woooo
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Just imagined if that SVBIED reached its target. Fortunately the Javelin top attack finally destroyed it.
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post Jan 6 2022, 02:33 PM

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Cheonryong: South Korea’s New Air Launched Cruise Missile

By ORION_INT in EDITORIAL, MISSILES, SOUTH KOREA  
December 2, 2021

September was a month packed full of missile tests for the Koreas, one test flew under the radar for many Korea watchers. This was the drop test of the stealthy South Korean Cheonryong (천룡/Celestial Dragon) Air launched cruise missile (ALCM) for the in-development KF-21 fighter.

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This Cheonryong cruise missile developed by the ADD and LIG Nex1 is believed to have been based off of the KEPD-350 Taurus as was reported in 2018. South Korea bought the Taurus missiles for use with their F-15 Slam Eagles when the sale of JASSM missiles was refused. The missiles with their 500km range currently serve a crucial role in South Korea’s air launched strike capability towards North Korea and possibly serve a role in their plan to attack the DPRK’s underground facilities. South Korea is believed to have 170 missiles with 90 more on order.

Air launched cruise missiles are huge assets to any airforce. For the ROKAF they bring Redundancy and might aid ground based assets like ballistic missiles or GLCMs like the Hyunmoo-3.

The drop test for the missile took place from a ROKAF F-4 Phantom fighter with the missile gliding and hitting its target zone. The Phantom with its ability to carry a large payload and its high speed is an ideal platform to test/carry and air launched cruise missiles. It is currently also used by the Turkish Air Force to carry their Sage Tubitak ALCM.

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Cheonryong ALCM Dimensions estimate

Comparing the missile to a fuel drop tank carried by the F-4 phantom shows the missile’s length to be 4.64m. The missile is smaller in comparison to the Taurus which is 5.1m long. One possible reason for its smaller size might be to make it easier to mount on the KAI KF-21 Boramae.

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The Cheonryong shares some similarities with the Taurus but has considerable differences. This missile is “beveled” on its edges compared to the taurus which is smoother. The Omission of an IR sensor is also notable. The ALCM’s wing configuration seems to be different from the Taurus with its wings being sleeker and longer. Many of these features might be to make it more aerodynamically efficient while also reducing its RCS signature. Although the missile’s range is not yet known it is likely equal or higher to the taurus.

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Cheongryong will likely be a significant part of the ROKAFs strike capability in the coming future and is something worth keeping an eye on.


https://www.overtdefense.com/2021/12/02/che...cruise-missile/

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Taiwans F16Vs - nice pics. The F16Vs (new or upgraded) is the latest version of the F16. SGs F16s are upgraded to this standard 2 albeit i believe with a few changes using israeli systems.

Basically turns the F16 to an advanced 4.5gen fighter:

https://www.lockheedmartin.com/en-us/news/f...generation.html

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post Jan 6 2022, 07:40 PM

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Peace loving Singkies has the lowest double-digit defence budget for 2021 financial year.

Actually, Sgs figure is slightly more than nuclear Pakistan at about USD $11.56 billion.

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-det...-for-2021_15567

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post Jan 6 2022, 08:45 PM

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QUOTE(Mai189 @ Jan 6 2022, 12:50 PM)
Just fyi 2 put things in perspective. South Korea was only able to build the Kf 21 after Lockheed and General Electric provided some tech and guidance=assistance. Meanwhie Elbit and Elta of Israel provided terrain following/avoidance sensors and radar.

South Korea is just not there yet in terms of building aerial vehicles at that level. Maybe they could do it by themselves in future. But not now.

But it also why Msia should not touch this jet and go for 5th gen jets from the US or Europe.
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I cited radar. The koreans are getting it from israel:

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-det...h-israeli-firms

It remains to be seen if the US will release top end AESA radars e.g. the Sabr radar on the F16V for the KF 21. Why should they? If you want a US radar buy a US plane.

Looks like Israel will know a lot abt the kf 21s electronics. Other sensors are also provided for by Israel.
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post Jan 6 2022, 10:37 PM

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Video of a ROKAF F-4 Phantom test launching the South Korean new Cheonryong Air Launched Cruise Missile (ALCM) developed for the KF-21 Boramae.



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post Jan 6 2022, 10:51 PM

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QUOTE(Mai189 @ Jan 6 2022, 08:45 PM)
I cited radar. The koreans are getting it from israel:

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-det...h-israeli-firms

It remains to be seen if the US will release top end AESA radars e.g. the Sabr radar on the F16V for the KF 21. Why should they? If you want a US radar buy a US plane.

Looks like Israel will know a lot abt the kf 21s electronics. Other sensors are also provided for by Israel.
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And heres Israels Elbit:

https://militaryleak.com/2020/02/07/elbit-s...an-fighter/?amp

Hahaha. Israel radar and many many israeli sub systems.

Now you know why the KF 21 plays second fiddle to the F35.

But seriously, if you are serious about getting a new 4.5 gen aircraft, the f16v, F15Sg/QA/EX or SHs or even Typhoons are better. You get better radar, electronics, weapon support, etc.

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post Jan 7 2022, 07:35 AM

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Beside the Cheonryong ALCM the South Korean is also developing a new Supersonic Anti-Ship Missile for the KF-21 Boramae.

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New Supersonic Anti-Ship Missile For South Korea’s KF-X Breaks Cover

The first artist impression of a new supersonic anti-ship missile for South Korea's KF-X fighter has been released.

Xavier Vavasseur  15 Feb 2021

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Locally known as “400mm-class Air-to-Ship Guided Missile-II” (400mm급 공대함유도탄-II), this missile features a ducted ramjet propulsion with range of 500km. It is expected to undergo live fire testing in 2026 and enter service with the Republic of Korea Air Force (ROKAF) next generation fighter, the KF-X, in the late 2020s or early 2030s.

Contacted by Naval News, a Korean defense industry source confirmed that this missile is being developed by local missile systems manufacturer LIG Nex1 with the ADD (Agency for Defense Development, 국방과학연구소).


Read more: https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2021/0...x-breaks-cover/

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post Jan 7 2022, 10:48 AM

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^ As if more established jet makers do not have such missiles.

And the jet will be blown out of the skies b4 it can even come close enough to launch a weapon with inferior radar and sensors..

More and more..i feel this is just a bad proposition and choke full of national ego. Nothing more.







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post Jan 7 2022, 11:00 AM

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Here r 2 other similar developments elsewhere:

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India AMCA

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Turkish stealth jet

The KF 21 is in this group - second tier of light to medium fighters; 1st tier being 4.5th, 5th or 6th gen jets from US and Europe.

There is no way the KF 21can be better than the ones from US or Europe given its systems, radar and sensors. Even the construction methods and materials can be different which impacts RCS, aero-dynamics, etc.

Save up. Post 2035, RMAF can buy F35s. Look beyond pretty promotional pictures with aspirational capabilities, weapons, etc.

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post Jan 7 2022, 05:25 PM

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QUOTE(Mai189 @ Jan 4 2022, 07:18 PM)
Is there even a 100% client state now that the cold war is over?

Asean is fragmented. The indos somehow think they a natural leader. The Msians think they are 2 - depends on who is in charge. Esp TDM. But Msias a mess. The thais are divided. The vietnamese think their time has come and wants 2 lead a crusade against China. The Burmese think their time has come until the latest coup. Sgs thinks everyone else is corrupt and somewhat down the evolutionary ladder.

But one things for sure. There wont be a united Asean and practically all major global powers (indo isnt one) wants 2 be here. It isnt a bad thing. And yes, Malaysia wants it that way.
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If you talking about the Chinese issues

Cambodia & Laos are basically Chinese client state. The Thai like Burmese just wanted to be left alone.

PH,MY & Vietnam think Chinese is a treats and thus seeking extra regional power. Vietnamese however want to do it all by themselves, PH is a scared not when the memory of them didn't get the support from the murican when they face the Chinese is still fresh in their mind.

ID don't have a problem with the Chinese but they are joining in since they think of themselves as ASEAN natural leader and are afraid of being left out in the cold.

Yes MY love that extra regional power are here but at the same time aren't that committed like SG & AUS to ensure they remain here. They don't want to be forced to join in the anglo Saxon fight. Think they are safe as Vietnam & PH act as a buffer and are convince that ID & Aussie would back them up in face of Chinese aggression.

SG is in the same shoe as SK & Germany. Deep inside US pocket bit at the SE Doesn't really have a problem with the Chinese & are making good money out of them but are being drag through the mud by the anglo Saxon. Hard to say what's their eventual commitment is.

The anglo Saxon & neehornjin are itching for a fight. But the Chinese aren't that interested in a fight. They seem to be suffering from tiny dick syndrome, they just wanna dick around to make themselves felt good about themselves.
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QUOTE(Mai189 @ Jan 7 2022, 11:00 AM)
Here r 2 other similar developments elsewhere:

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India AMCA

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Turkish stealth jet

The KF 21 is in this group - second tier of light to medium fighters; 1st tier being 4.5th, 5th or 6th gen jets from US and  Europe.

There is no way the KF 21can be better than the ones from US or Europe given its systems, radar and sensors. Even the construction methods and materials can be different which impacts RCS, aero-dynamics, etc.

Save up. Post 2035, RMAF can buy F35s. Look beyond pretty promotional pictures with aspirational capabilities, weapons, etc.
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Depends on which LCA i guess.

M346FA is more attack aircraft then a fighter & thus a good fit to be paired with F35.

If RMAF get FA-50, the F35 seem very redundant. Both mostly do the same thing.
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KF-21 Boramae. Credit to Korean Military Blog.

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