I'm currently waiting on my results before going overseas for study, my folks said if my results are good enough and a get a scholarship, the money they saved will be passed to me as cash, they already set the cash aside and they aren't really the stingy kind so that gives me some money for something mucho macho expensive, so instead of doing what most smart malaysians do, like buy ASN2020 or put it an investment scheme, i've decided to buy a fracking new camera to replace my 350D with Kit lense.

The thing is that i'm torn between two models, with very different price ranges and features...so folks, help me choose a new cammy. The most obvious reason i'm sticking the 5D in is because of the FF sensor, which allows me to shoot in low light or darkness without a flash (which i hate), and the fact it's cheaper and comes with the nice L class kit lense. The EOS1D is attractive because to me it's a longer term investment, has weather sealing and alot of soft features, and a new dual DIGIC processor and a host of other pro features, but the matter of the fact is that i get no lense to start with, thus i'll have a really expensive professional body sitting there doing nothing while i cough up the dough. Assume this is going to be a camera that has to last me the next 5 years.

Here's my little list of pros and cons

EOS5D

For

- Full Frame Sensor
- 12.8 megapixels (assuming the same pixel density)
- Smaller body and more transportable
- 24-105L 4.0L Kit lense
- No FOV cropping

Againts

- ISO3200 the max
- Not as many AF points
- No live view
- 3 FPS only (although it doesn't matter much to me
- Cheaper

EOS1D Mark III

For

- Weather proofing
- DIGIC III dual processor and even lower noise
- Very tough body
- Live View
- Longer batt life
- Larger ISO range of up to 6400
- More AF points and better metering and evaluation
- More software features

Againts

- No lense, so buy body, save for lense, probably do narthing until i save money
- APS-H, so there's a 1.6x cropping and there's only 10 megapixelz
- Large and heavy, probably will die lugging the beast around.


So help me choose between the both and provide ye reasons!

APS-H is 1.3x crop factor iirc.
get a 50mm f1.8 would suffice wut.

id hafta go with the 5d because it seems u dont need the 1dMKIII.

nikon d3?? Hehehehe

It's FF n has fps of nearly 1D Mark III. ISO up to 25600. Many AF POINTS. Got live view some more. D3 is like combo of 5D n 1D Mark III

But downside, have to wait lor. Hehehehe

This post has been edited by jeffbong: Aug 27 2007, 03:38 PM

lol very contradict to TS options

Yalah, now he only have 350D with kit lense, still feasible jump ship. Heheheh.

If he has 30D with various lenses, then i would ask him to stay with the white side. Now Nikon come out new one combo of 5D n 1D Mark III, quite a good option i would say so. Heheheh

but he wont be able to get the D3 till next year at least. think malaysia and think of the amount of backorders there will be. production is only 8000 of month...definitely shortages if he doesnt order one now

Never liked Nikon glass due to smaller selection , anyways for an addition in price of the D3 i could get the new EOS-1Ds MK II which is the same.

Plus i'm all for standardizing my kit.

voting for EOS 1D MkIII + 50mm f1.8 (RM260+/-)

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Added on August 27, 2007, 5:44 pmvoting for EOS 1D MkIII + 50mm f1.8 (RM260+/-).

Heck, if you buy the 1D from the shop, you probably can even haggle for a free 50mm f1.8.

This post has been edited by julchin_09: Aug 27 2007, 05:44 PM

@empire 23

Of course the 1D Mark III sounds very appealing but you got to ask yourself is it really worth paying the extra bucks? From what i can assume, the 5D suits you better as you dont have to fork out extra.

would there be posibbility of 5D replacement???

5D is oledi out for a long time, and i think replacement is due.

some of my noobie talk here...

for 5D:
ISO3200 the max, actually is more than enuf, higher iso result in more noise
Not as many AF points, more AF points will easier to let the camera make a mistake when AFocusing
3FPS, if u r not goin to take a lot of car racing then it is ok

for MarkIII:
No lense, save money la.....
APS-H, no 1.6x is ok la, then 10mp enuf for normal usage unless u wanna do studio printing
Large and heavy, i personally like tat feel...

juz my noob talk here...

There's a third unmentioned option of getting two quality lenses (say a 16-35/2.8 + 70-200/2.8) and maybe room to spare for a flash.. I don't know how much these are in ringgit.

So, which one gives you a wider creative palette?

1) Your current 350D + 2 lenses + flash
2) 5D + 24-105/4
3) 1D-iii + nothing

the harsh reality is that if you are not sure if you need it, then you most probably don't need it..

I second wlcling says, If you have to ask on which to buy, you obviously don't need the Mark III.

Are you that serious of using such a big amount of money to buy a Mark III?

That costs close to 16K? Gosh....

Don't you feel guilty of spending that much of money from your parents?

And you're going overseas, which means they're gonna spend even more when you're abroad.

Hey bro, I seriously suggest you to get a 40D or well.... maybe the 5D. Save up the money and use it wisely.

You're dealing with a big sum of money. I could only dream of what you're getting.

Just my 2 cents.

oh oh oh
get the best camera in the world, mk3 and get the worst canon lens ever produced (18-55)

perfect

it's silly...
nothing personal. i will go for the 30d and with the extra bucks, get some really good L lenses... or go for the 5D and get the good L lenses.
what's a camera without lenses?

Bro,
Not sure whether U are taking photography course oversea, or even if you are an avid photographer, 5D is more than enough. Add Tamron 18-55mm 2.8 and a macro ens. It depends on yr area of interest. Spending 16k for mk3 is not worth it, you are not eyeing to join the National Geographic photo team , aren't you? Utilise 100% of yr available cammy ( even yr 350d) and you can shoot like pro. At times, we are too obsessed with gadgets. Check in the western photo mags, i have seen picts taken using old fm2 beat newer dslr... No matter what cammy u are using, timing is everything. Buy the best lens u can afford.
It's yr dosh, but spend it wisely. Dont have to spend a lot, as newer models will come in, and yr cam will always depreciate in value..I U want 2nd opinion, i will suggest to you the d30, grip and L lenses. And buy a 2nd cammy, like g9 so you can ask others to take yr pict when you are oversea...
All the best in yr study ......

stick with 350D, get 70-200 F2.8L IS USM. and a FLASH. and a bag, tripod, monopod. probably set you back only RM 8k. 4k left. get other lens, like a 17-40 and 10-22. not enough? add for 100mm macro lens lor.

still better than getting a 1D right? just the price of that body alone can get so many lens.

alternative body upgrade? 30D / 40D / 5D with a bunch of lens still works better IMO.

It's going to be the 5d if you really want to go FF. Better you spend on quality glass that could last you a lifetime. Looking at the stiff competition emerging from Nikon camp recently, and others likely to try catching up, i would say that in much less than 5 years, the 1dmkIII is likely to be obsolete anyway...

My 2 cents is no need to think about 1dmkIII.... even your avatar suggests you have chosen your poison so don't look back!!!

there's 1Ds Mk III already.

If I were you (TS), for the price of a brand new EOS 1D Mark III I will get TWO used EOS ID Mark II N. Wanna tayang hardware means tayang HABIS!

Whether EOS 5D or EOS 1D Mark III, I doubt you're able to match up to either of the models in terms of skill even if you bank in another 5 years becoz photography is not where you're heading. They're sending you overseas to study or take photos? Get a used camera and save up the cash for rainy days-lar bro., you'll need it. Maybe save up some money, do some part time during summer holidays and get yourself a Nissan 350Z when you're back, now THAT'S more like it!

IMO Save the money from getting a 5D or 1D3, get a 40D or used 1D2 and a whole slew of L lenses. Remember, the camera body is useless without the glass.
Plus it'd be pretty.. off.. if you bought a damn good camera but become limited by your lens range, no?

BTW a jump from a 350d kit right up to a 5D or 1D3 is a wee bit drastic, no?

I guess if TS has the money...

Let's see how wise he spends his money...

If he gets a great body but just stick with his kit lens. You know what type of photographer he is....

If you're getting a 5D or any of the 1D series.
U need some L lenses to bring out its full potential.
Something like a 17-40 F4, 24-105 F4 IS & 70-200 F4 IS (and these are only the F4 families, not even F2.8).

Maybe u should consider what other members mentioned, keep ur current body & get more lenses.

Anyhow, in terms of speed, handling & control, I'd say the Nikon D200 is better than 5D.

But the image quality of a 5D is unsurpass (ie. only 1Ds can do better at this stage).

Thats quite a good lineup of lenses and covers the mostly used f4 family of L lense. That would set TS Back prolly RM2.5K + RM4K + RM3.9K leaving a whole RM5-7K for a body + flash since he has the budget for a 1DMKiii. So many possibilities still. 30D/40D/5D.

The lenses will outlast the body, so just get what fits for the time being. If the 2 above options are the ONLY ones possible to vote, Im changing my vote from the 1D to the 5D. But If I had THAT Budget, I'd go for the 40D(If we only talking CANON here) and the 17-40/16-35 + 70-200 f2.8 IS + 50mm f1.8 + 580ex.

Aiyo.... 50mm F1.8 on a 5D? For what? Landscape or portrait?
Landscape or walkaround, u got the 17-40/16-35 already.
Portrait - definitely the 85 F1.2 L mah.....

Photography isn't just about getting the best camera and lens, going out and pressing the shutter, hoping that the pictures turn out nice. There's a lot more than just the camera. If you bring a mk3 out and act like a pro but shoot like a n00b, you're just making a joke out of yourself. Like going out in a sunny day as a photographer and say "wow, nice sunny day! great for pictures" with a good camera and lens, no flash, no reflector.

Good point, but i love shooting in low light without flash, any extra ISO or sensor size appeals well to me and that's why i'm making the switch.

Either way it's a good suggestion.

I'm sure my folks will survive

Like i said, if i wanted to spend it wisely i'd stick in ASW2020 to get a 10 percent divident and a 13.8 percent usual bonus, i'm sure there are times we like to splurge abit.

I can't get a car because i already drive my mom's one like a bat out of hell, RapidKL good enough lah
I can't get house because my old man is the kind that doesn't like his kids moving out early
I can't get a new PC because i just got one

Thus i get photogear. It's either that or i burn the money in front of poor people when i die .

Understandably it's a big sum of cash, but better than some who ask their folks to get them a car right?


I think you wkkay make a good point, the only thing i'm skeptical about is the ability of the existing EOS350D sensor to maximize the capabilities of these lenses, and that's the main reason. After many horrible triages out in the dark even with a tripod and apeture open wide (even with a few HQ borrowed lenses), i find the quality lacking.

I just wish my camera could see as well as i do in the dark, and heck i have astigmatism
No cars for me, the last time i was lent one all i did was drive 240 and above on every highway near my place. I know i can't control myself when it comes to motor vehicles, so i think the bus is better for my long term health. Anyways the 350Z is balls when it comes to handling, far too stiff, far too unfriendly, you'd get bored of it if you were forced to take it out to go giant on sundays to do shopping

Well, who knows, i'm studying EE, but i'm quite sure it isn't one of those things i wanna do for the rest of my pathetic life, might get more serious as time goes along, although if you ask me at the end of the day, my main motivation is to just get some nice i see into my view finder and keep it with me.

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Added on August 28, 2007, 3:24 amNo worries, except for abstract photography, i do consider myself quite competent with a camera. But there are hardware limitations i just can't get over, especially in low light.

This post has been edited by empire23: Aug 28 2007, 03:24 AM

Well, looks like you are determined to get the camera that you need. I guess this is more of a show off thread than actually asking for what you really need.

Well, some of us understand how hard is it to earn money. Lucky for you, you were born with a golden spoon.

Some of us may also be born with a golden spoon but yet they're are contented and they value the money their parents earn.

For lowlight problems, a great lens would do the trick. You just need a L lens with constant aperture.

Anyway, if you have the $$, by all means, spend it the way you like it.

Some of us could only envy you.

Mind to share some of the photos you have taken to see what you actually need?

This post has been edited by calvin_gsc: Aug 28 2007, 05:09 AM

400D + 28-300MM IS USM L better la....

5D5D5D5D5D5D5D5D5D5D5D5D5D5D5D5D5D5D5D5D5D5D5D5D5D5D5D5D5D5D5D5D5D5D5D5D5D5D5D5D5D5D5D5D5D5D5D5D5D

Why not 1Ds Mark III???
Full Frame ma...
Since like money not a big problem liao...
Sailang...

Let's no turn this into a thread where you bash my ability to spend, i've given up alot of luxuries people take for granted here, first of all i don't get pocket money, what i use daily is what i earn, i walk to use public transport when most get the luxury of cars, 2km back on foot daily from Ampang Point, so beat that sissy legs, and i'm sure you damn well do not know what it's like to work as b**** labour with indonesians on saturdays and sundays driving lorries and working as a loader, i also put off going overseas for 3 years too, you instead are younger than me and are already overseas in MTU. My folks are well to do, yes we have gazillions in the bank, and i understand the value of the almighty dollar thank you, but if they're ok with giving me the cash, i'm ok with taking it.

Geez if i wanted a lecture on morals, i would've gone somewhere else with less pretentious b****es who "think" they work harder than me when they're still in some cushy uni across the world

Anyways to shoot with a constant apeture is good, but that limits what i can latch on to as the min max range is short although i haven't seem wide open primes at 1.2 and so work before but i do doubt whether, but so far if the Tamrons operating at 1.4-1.6 at the ARP meet are any indication, i don't think it'll be enough, and that's even with a tripod, mightbe passable with 1.2 but seeing that it was a D2X being used (Chai's) and comparing the sensor sizes, the biggest killer was noise. But therein comes the problem, i've read a few mags and they say that the EOS1D Mk III with it's new DIGICII ASIC is a very capable performer when it comes to noise removal, extremely competent to boot, comparing pictures at high ISO, i can understand it, the strickler being whether it beats the FF 5D.

And there's the whole sealing bit because i'm usually quite rough with my EOS (most of the body is scratched and there's chipping for god sake)

Yeah here are some of my older pics because i don't update the thread much
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=337616
Reason you don't see the noise is that i've knocked down the resolution by a factor of 300 percent. Little girl waving fans is an example of limitations, i had to scale down so much and retouch the image so badly it smeared everything.



I can stretch, but not that far. If i had that much money, the choice would be clear cut.

Lemme go save up for my Hasselblad

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Added on August 28, 2007, 11:13 amDistortion manyak lor. Any i don't really shoot wildlife so i don't need tele that much.

This post has been edited by empire23: Aug 28 2007, 11:13 AM

In which area of photography do you want to concentrate on? For example, subject matter? Or would you prefer to be versatile.

In regards to finances, if you do go for the more expensive body but have no lens, do you see yourself buying a lens soon?

My vote, is that if you can get the more expensive body, get it because sooner or later, if you do get the 5D, that stupid nagging thought will be in your head..."Why didn't I choose the more expensive body".

But seriously, I think the best decision is always made by considering what your subject matter is and making full use of your cash to maximise your photography experience. If macro is what you like, then I would suggest that you get the cheaper body and use the extra $$$ saved to buy macro lenses, a sturdy tripod, etc..etc..

I love to shoot in low light, if you find some ******* roaming KL at 4am with a camera, it's probably me, i don't know why, but low light just buys it for me, i also wanted to get into starlight photography, but the last attempt ended in mucho macho noise from the sensor and absurd levels of aliasing.

If i were to buy the 1D, to be really honest with you i don't see myself getting anything decent for atleast 3 to 5 months as i try to customize my diet to maggi alone. Assuming i can shore up 1k a month, around 4 months is a good figure.

Actually the nagging thought you just described might be one of the reasons too, because in my view, the body be the basis of all your pics, swapping lenses is bad enough, but swapping a body is another story.

True, if i were into macro and such, this wouldn't be so hard. I'd just stick to what i have and get a competent flashgun from Metz, a nice filter and good glass. But in this case, i feel that the body in combination with glass is the limiting factor

Well, I am really sincerely sorry that I mentioned things that were sensitive to you.

It was just my 2 cents.

Anyway, all the best in getting a camera.

Hope you can share your experience with us.

Oh yeah, about your gallery? Can share some shots with us?

empire23, really hope you'll get either cam and pair it with a good L lens.


This post has been edited by calvin_gsc: Aug 28 2007, 02:21 PM

Of course it won't. But neither would some cheapie lenses maximize a 1D or 5D

I second that!

But...

it also depends... A good photographer can use any P&S cam and yet produce the best photographs ever.

I personally think photos are not based on just gears. But primarily it's the photog's intuition, perception and imagination. Experience plays a very very big role too.

seems to me, you had some history with empy huh? Other ppl's comments are about some other alternatives apart from the 5D and 1D. I do sense some "personal attack" on empy in your posts.

-happy shooting-

My bad nairud, that's why I apologized...

Wont repeat it.

5D with a f/1.2 L?

for those who voted option 2, what do you expect TS to shoot with? RM10 magnifying glass?

like what i said earlier, i would go for the 30D and some L lenses... instead of 5D with one lens.

true, some people dislike changing lenses and stuffs... i am one of these type of people. all my cameras have only 1 lens attached and nothing more. i find the time spent changing my lenses ar.. let's not talk about me.

empire23, i am sure you had read everything there is to know about these 2 cameras but do bare in mind that photography is not about gadgets and what ken rockwell had said.

i would advice you to go down to the shop and handle the cameras yourself... you might not like the feel of the mk 3 or something like that. before you say you cant find a shop that allows you to do so, do PM me as i know the marketing director of canon (M) behbay!

which ever camera you choose, i am sure they are good. 5D used to be my favourite until the mk 3 came out. like you, i am attracted by the super low noise quality of high iso exposure. but seeing that i dislike digital cameras and the only reason i use it is because of the freelances i had, i have to get myself a DSLR.

for my personal photographs, it's all on large format films. people say that i am an idiot, using films in a digital era... but who cares. same goes to you, if you feel that you really like the mk 3, go for it... but i will personally go to your house to slap you if you use a crappy 18-55 lens on this camera...

It's cool

I just get carried away when people call me a spoiled rich kid because i work hard for the things i want and no to mention i make alot of compromises in my daily comforts for bigger "lump sump" ones like this.




Nvm lah. Done is done.



I noticed the word "large format" before anything

I actually love the feel of the 30D, the size is just right, but to be honest, besides the higher exposure ratio, and more FPS, it still shares the same sensor as the 350D.

Yeah, no one will let me get mah grubby hands on a markIII, so i'm just conjecturing on how it feels, as in i agak agak.

Anyways, what your general impressions on the markIII? and the million dollar question is, can it beat the 5D when it comes to noise even though it has a smaller sensor?

u could always wait for the 40d and see its results if u like the feel of the 30d.

my impression?
5D noise control is good enough for me already.

i dont go till 3200 iso... max could be 1600 or something. even at 3200, the 5D is good...
though the mk3 is better... but does it worth the cash? double the price leh uncle...

i keep my iso around 100 to 400 normally... tripod is my everything. yeap! brought a tripod into the operation theatre taking photos of open heart surgery... no problem. but need to sterile it first lah

Car, bike, house, camera, toys, pet dog, pet cat, no difference ... not your money means not your money.
If you like good quality images, why dun you go for the latest Hasselbald H2D? I have round at it at Sunway few weeks back : Lightweight, 22MP of juice, stands out among the crowd ... who needs a EOS 1D Mark III anyway, even a poor man like me have a used EOS 1D! Go get the Hassy, beat the CRAP out of EOS 5D or ID Mark III N!!



USD 24,000 - Have word with your parents, if you're interested I can ask the exact price for you in Ringgit.

This post has been edited by ac98: Aug 28 2007, 09:18 PM

ermm... the new wan is H3 and its 30++ MP.
using a digital back is totally different from using a DSLR

Yeah but I am suggesting this to Empire23 so he can consult with his parents, who happens to be very generous with him so far. In this case, why use a DSLR? Stand out among the crowd by using a Hassy ... dun tell me he's gonna make his parents spend thousands and STILL stand among us kua ...

This post has been edited by ac98: Aug 29 2007, 05:19 PM

ac98, you're being a dick and you know it too.

i'll never ever go out take a picture at 4am with very expensive dSLR on my hand. even i go with my friend. Safety first and it's really important thing to think about too.
but i have voted.

I dunno ... if you're taking sides in this matter then I am sorry, I am neutral. You're being very open for an Admin by the way, are you fostering usage of vulgarity in this Forum?

No where is safe now ... people will rob you even if you're wearing a worn out T-shirt, shorts and a Rm200+ handphone

so... u kena rite?

Not yet, thank God.

Fine, I admit that I could've worded it more politely.

The fact remains that you're taking this topic out of context. It's clear that the thread starter has a budget, yet you recommended a mind-blowing USD$24k RRP camera. Also, you just had to add the snidish remark "dun tell me he's gonna make his parents spend thousands and STILL stand among us kua ...", didn't you? If you're going to dispense unhelpful advice such as this, why post at all?

Maybe to him it's not mind-blowing? I am still within topic when I made the effort of hot-linking a Hasselblad H2D and stating a price before discount in USD. I've seen the H2D in action during a invitation-only fashion at Q-Bar and I am just stating my experience. You're being too picky with words and just felt uneasy over my choice of phrases, that all. If you're loaded, surely you won't wanna stand within the common group, I won't either. Well I am sorry if I offended you or the topic starter but I hope you can understand my point. I am STILL recommending a good camera to him, pics and pricing included. If I am just plain "Hey, why dun you go buy yourself a Hasselblad" now that's throwing nonsense across. I chose a RM26,000 4MP Canon EOS 1D only 4 years later when it became only Rm4000+ as a showroom condition used unit ... I also got myself a good camera. It's up to the topic starter how much and when he wanna get his new toy, I am just recommending.

If he can read-up on the internet I am sure he knows the difference between the EOS 5D and EOS 1D Mark III by now, biggest difference would be WEIGHT after he takes care of the PRICE matter. Not many people can handle 1.2KG with one arm for long!

This post has been edited by ac98: Aug 30 2007, 10:31 PM

Your recommendation makes no sense, a 1D MK3 RM 13000 with no lense costs around the same as 5d with kit 12999, i believe you missed the point of contention by a mile, and the fact you don't get the idea of limits is absurd. Lemme go buy the goddamn hubble telescope ya? Hassies are nice but looking at the body damage my 350D has gotten, pain scratches, nicks galore and me dropping and slapping it on a regular basis (as i described in the start of the thread), i don't think it'll serve my needs, and i did state that i would like to stick to the canon system, EF generally

Hey why the heck are you anal about me spending my parents money? they don't even mind and i'm sure they're sane individuals, heck i appreciate them giving me so much moolah to play, and that's why i'm doing research for it. Like it or not you're posting out of context.

Anyways who doesn't like Zeiss optics? But i'd put my money on Schmidt and Bender anyday

Well atleast Ifer posted something useful.

if i were u empy, i'd lurk for used 5D going for 7.5k onwards. and get a decent lens (also 2nd hand).

i agree on the part that the 30d shares the same sensor with 350d, i myself just entered the 30d bandwagon after selling off my long-lasting 350d.

but i guess, better lens is what i'm focusing more on. and external lightings too.

but considering your options and targets, i'd go for the 5D, better sensor,FF,and an already good kitlens. but abit heavy though to lug around your neck.

my two cent is ! 5d ! & save some $ for prime lenses ! dslr body will update so can't always go get the latest , so better to spend on lenses ! i feel changing lenses on the field is part of the fun in using DSLR ! and going home cleaning the body/lenses & sensor also is fun for me !
5d is FF , 1d mark III is fast ! so ask youself you need FF dslr or a fast / crop dslr!

p/s :- my next purchase sigma 180mm marco !

This post has been edited by andrewng88: Sep 27 2007, 06:33 PM

Why no one wanna go for a used EOS 1DS?

Personally, I would say a 40D + lotsa L lenses.

To me, unless you are planning to be a photo journalist or something , there is no need to get a 5D or 1D (but that's just me, maybe .

I believe you would have more fun with a 40D and lotsa lens at your disposal, rather than a 5D with one lens or 1D with no lens.

The choice is yours and sorry for not voting for 5D or 1D .

Shooting around KL at 4 am? Low light photography?

Mat skodeng? In that case, I support your cause for virtue.

JAKIM would reward you well for better low-light photos.

My advise is, if you have $1500 for a camera. Spend $1000 on the lens and $500 for the body. Not $1500 for the whole kit. It's quality glass that defines the image quality, not mega pixels.

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Added on September 30, 2007, 9:10 pm[quote=danielyeap,Sep 28 2007, 03:09 PM]Personally, I would say a 40D + lotsa L lenses.

To me, unless you are planning to be a photo journalist or something , there is no need to get a 5D or 1D (but that's just me, maybe .

I believe you would have more fun with a 40D and lotsa lens at your disposal, rather than a 5D with one lens or 1D with no lens.

The choice is yours and sorry for not voting for 5D or 1D .

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I believe a photojournalist needs a 40D or a 1D series. It's completely pointless for a photojournalist to own a 1Ds series or 5D. They should go for the crop factor, not full frame.

Btw, if you own a 16-35mm f/2.8 L USM II, it will be completely useless to mount it on a 40D, because you just can't get the exact 16mm, and you can't shoot nuts when it comes to architecture and landscapes. That is why i sold my 350D and jump right to 5D because I need a full frame. I tried the EF-S 10-22mm on my 350D, the quality produce verses the 17-40mm f/4 is such a huge difference.

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Added on September 30, 2007, 10:48 pmUSD 24,000 - Have word with your parents, if you're interested I can ask the exact price for you in Ringgit.

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I think there is need to own a 22-39mp super camera if you do not work as a professional commercial photographer. Oh yes, you also need some extreme CPU to run those files.

This post has been edited by couleur: Sep 30 2007, 10:48 PM

EOS 5D because you get a lens and camera for the same price as 1D. In addition 1D Mark III AF issues still have NOT been addressed

Personally I wouldn't spend that much on a camera unless its to be used for income generation. As a lot of others here and elsewhere have already said, bodies go obsolete after a few years. People have taken fantastic photos with lower end bodies, its more about the skill of the photographer and his/her ability to put to good use what they have and work around the limitations of his/her equipment. 5D and 1D are very different cameras built for very different purposes; if you're happy with 3FPS from a 5D then IMO even a 400D would be sufficient for you. The only reason to go FF would be for the ability to use existing EF lenses, but seeing that you currently have none and have to start from scratch I'd say that it's a very high price to pay.

you want to sell yours? LOL

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Added on October 9, 2007, 2:40 pmI think this is a show off thread, look at the photo TS posted...
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=337616
I doubt he need anything more then a D40 class

This post has been edited by pwk1983: Oct 9 2007, 02:40 PM

what the heck, just buy the mkIII. why think so much. long term mah.

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Added on October 9, 2007, 7:32 pmdun forget 16-35 2.8L mkII and 70-200 2.8L IS USM. also 50 1.2L and you're all set to cover everything under heaven.

This post has been edited by gold3knight: Oct 9 2007, 07:32 PM

so i suppose he got the 5D since he has a lens to shoot with

This post has been edited by vincent_audio: Oct 10 2007, 12:07 AM

Closed.

You guys are making it out of hand. insults and the likes of it will not be tolerated