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 Contractor request 50% deposit?, Surely it is risky

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kuchaikway
post Feb 22 2021, 08:30 PM

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QUOTE(kelvin_ck1 @ Feb 22 2021, 07:28 PM)
I was shocked  doh.gif  to notice that now it is a norm for a renovation contractor to get 50% deposit/preliminary sum for them to accept and start on their renovation project. As long I am in construction industry handling even billions ringgit value for a project, the norm for the preliminary sum is always less than 10%. Thereafter, the payment shall be based on the progress work of the project.

I am not sure why a lot of the consumers are accepting 50% deposit as this really expose them to the risk of contractor running away without even starting the project. Bear in mind the contractor does not only collect the money from you but a lot more people out there like you who are giving in to their request for 50% deposit.

This disadvantage arrangement reminds me of the mega failed pipeline project in Malaysia whereby 80% payment had been made but only 13% pipeline is completed. Therefore guys, please be prudent and don’t give in to the 50% deposit/preliminary sum to the renovation contractor.

Sometimes, the contractor will give excuse that these 50% sum would be needed to buy materials and etc. You should be worried with this kind of contractor because their cashflow is not in a good position and would be at risk to run away. This risk should not be carried upon consumers.

Therefore, if everyone does not give in to the 50% deposit then we can filter out unscrupulous renovation contractors and thus leaving the good renovation contractors which will finish the work and being paid on their project progress. Heck, even banks pay developers based on Housing Development Act progress payment which do not have the nonsense 50% deposit.

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Where did you get this idea that it is a norm to pay 50% for many renovation projects? May be it is a norm for gullible and stupid people but for sure it is not a norm fr myself and most people that I know. 10-20% deposit may be acceptable for mobilization and opportunity cost should the owner changes his mind of engaging the contractor. Buying renovation materials/equipment should never be the excuse to collect money upfront. These the owner can pay based on when these are delivered if the contractor insists.

The payment should tie to the deliverables. This is true in every business and industry.
kuchaikway
post Feb 23 2021, 08:48 PM

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QUOTE(ehwee @ Feb 23 2021, 12:04 PM)
It's depend on the total quotation sum actually, if the total Sim is less than 20k,the a 59%down-payment is still acceptable, more important thing is there is a official black and white contract with all the T&C and payment terms writen down between client and contractor.

For normal renovation works that is mostly more than 30k, a 20-30% down-payment is considered normal and market standard.
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You can't be serious? I really want to know how many of your projects below 20k that you have legal contracts with your customers?? If you have a contract then you can even pay 100% down without any problem. We are talking about the reality of most if not all renovations (especially those that are below 20k) are performed without legal contracts.

To have a legal enforceable contract requires time and effort to review the terms and conditions. Many renovation contractors are not making big enough margin to talk about liquidated damages, performance bonds, etc. You need lawyer(s) to review and finalize the contract. Of course one can argue to have a simple standard contract but whose's standard contract to be used? Moreover, each renovation project is different and there is not likely a single standard contract can be used.


kuchaikway
post Feb 24 2021, 06:41 AM

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QUOTE(ehwee @ Feb 23 2021, 11:04 PM)
To clarify, what I meant contract was proper black and write written agreement between owner and the contractor, not the legal enforceable contract. .

Of course small project like just asking contractor to do a 8k kitchen cabinet won't do legal enforceable contract like you said.

Yet at least there is a written quotation copy with the contractor signature and company letter head.

I know many owners just accept a hand writing quotation and make the down-payment base on verbal trust, if this is the case a 50% down-payment will be a risk for end user.
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I think you are a little naive. Most runaway cons are using really professional letter head, proper business cards and "official" quotations and "signatures". All these doesn't mean anything. Even if these are real and if there are disputes a quotation is not a detailed scope of work and you can't argue legally in court. I can quote you that I will build a wall or a cabinet of size x and y respectively. But in quotation there is no detailed specs and description of the wall or cabinet.

Instead of this, one will be better off doing reference checks or using contractor that are recommended by friends/family/neighbours. Nothing beats a proper research and I also amaze at most people asking renovation contractor contact here are so lazy to ask around to get a contractor that his legit. Like these are the people that also give 50% downpayment for the work.

 

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