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Ramjade
post Feb 18 2021, 02:40 PM

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QUOTE(maxmahen87 @ Feb 18 2021, 01:02 PM)
Hi Guys,

I've been using interactive broker for the last 3 months trading US Stocks. I funded the account using my US Bank (I used to work in the US - so got some savings la) I also linked my Maybank for withdrawal (also my transferwise borderless acct, just incase)- yet to do any withdrawals though

However, I found a post on lowyat saying Maybank (or Bank Negara) block transactions from IB due to their affiliation with forex? Hence cant fund or withdraw money to a local bank? Link below
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4498867/all

I'm planning to trade stocks full-time as I generate a decent income from it every month, and Ive been investing/trading for last 5 years when I was working in the US (not a newbie la smile.gif )
Planning to register as self-employed for tax/banking purposes - already discuss with a tax lawyer friend - I have shared the conversation (tax for fulltime trader) in this forum for those interested in self-employment/fulltime trading
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/5102221

One question I couldn't answer my lawyer friend is that - is IB legal in Malaysia? Will BNM block the funds to be transferred back to our local banks?
I don't find any article/documents suggesting IB is illegal in Malaysia - and seems to the first recommended platform if want to trade US stocks from Malaysia.

Hope to get some feedback from Sifus here
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If it's illegal like what happen to TD and etoro, it will be blocked eventually.

Ignore the SC and BNM living in their own world.

Access to IB will also be blocked like what happen to TD. Use a trustable VPN to access IB if it's block.
As tadashi987 said,
Open a sg bank account and convert your money to SGD and direct deposit into IB SG bank account.

Do not use Malaysian banks to transfer money to sg. Just fintech. Lots of fintech offering money changer rates to send money to sg.

To bring back money to Malaysia use CIMB sg or TransferWise.

This post has been edited by Ramjade: Feb 18 2021, 02:40 PM
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post Feb 18 2021, 02:56 PM

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QUOTE(maxmahen87 @ Feb 18 2021, 02:40 PM)
Thanks for your feedback. I have a few more questions

my understanding of not recognized by SC means your funds in IB is not protected by SC/BNM in case anything bad happens (broker bankruptcy)  (Can someone validate this)

if its illegal
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1. why are we allowed to register IB in the first place (country and taxID Malaysia during registration) - if it's downright illegal, this wouldn't be possible right especially for an established and globally trusted broker - I guess I need to call IB and figure this out

It's illegal from Malaysia point but not illegal form IB. It's only illegal from IB side if US banned Malaysian from trading on US market. Otherwise IB couldn't care if it's illegal from Malaysia side because
1) they never have license from SC to operate in Malaysia anyway hence they are not bound by Malaysian law

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2. In the same lowyat post - the post owner said he can't do the transfer using Maybank but can using CIMB. Another person who replied said he used Maybank FCA to transfer funds. this is confusing

It's the bank who dont want any problem hence easier for them to just block you.

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3. So from your SG bank, you guys direct them back to your Malaysia bank for personal use?

Can. But not recommended to use banks cause very expensive. You get less money (higher exchange rates by banks)

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4. The broker is not illegal but just not recognized in Malaysia by SC (I've read a similar post regarding Etoro) - so what would be the risk here? Can your bank account be frozen? or only transaction blocks?
They just block your Transaction and block access to IB site

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I see people post, if the bank block from IBKR, just use Transferwise or Instarem (now it's possible to transfer MYR to USD directly using transferwise borderless acct - I have linked it but yet to do a transfer) - how is this method of transaction legal then? (as you also did with your SG bank), end of the day coming from the same source.
Go try using transferwise and let us know. Last time they block the transfer. Not to mentioned IB will ask you for proof of trnasferwise and the relationship between transferwise and you 6-7 months down the road (true story).
It's legal but is different
1) Malaysia banks -> Transferwise (perfectly legal)
2) Malaysian banks -> Overseas brokerage (? legal)

hope I don't sound rude, I'm just thinking out loud. many contradicting points smile.gif
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And Malaysian law state that if you don't have debt, you can invest unlimited of money overseas. If you have any debt, max you can transfer out of Malaysia is RM1m/year.

This post has been edited by Ramjade: Feb 18 2021, 11:50 PM
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post Feb 3 2023, 06:25 PM

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QUOTE(Astrazen @ Feb 3 2023, 04:54 PM)
grey area
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Not grey area. Just Malaysia SC is stupid and narrow minded.
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post Feb 3 2023, 06:28 PM

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QUOTE(CommodoreAmiga @ Feb 3 2023, 06:27 PM)
Actually not stupid...they just don't want you to take money out of the country easily.
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post Oct 9 2024, 10:02 AM

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QUOTE(Sunshape @ Oct 9 2024, 09:14 AM)
Is Interactive Broker still Legal in Malaysia?
Is there way to remit/withdraw to/from IBKR via bank wire (not bank wire WISE)?
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Malaysian govt will never recognise anything with Forex trading for political reasons and Forex is haram

You can transfer back to Malaysia but it is going to be costly as banks gonna take a cut of your money.

For me once money is overseas it won't come back for at least 30 years. It is a one way ticket.

Also if I am bringing the money back, it will be IBKR -> USD to SGD inside IBKR -> SGD into CIMB SG -> CIMB SG to CIMB Malaysia.
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post Oct 9 2024, 10:58 AM

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QUOTE(Medufsaid @ Oct 9 2024, 10:35 AM)
to add on to what Ramjade said, if you just want to withdraw USD from IBKR to use, can just withdraw USD to wise and use via  debit card. FOC

Withdraw to wise to convert back to MYR is not cheap
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Wise can only hold RM20k. Not worth it.
Ramjade
post Oct 9 2024, 12:05 PM

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QUOTE(Sunshape @ Oct 9 2024, 11:19 AM)
because I have USD funds in SG bank and overseas. So wish to utilise the USD rather than to convert from Wise MYR > Wise USD > IBKR
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QUOTE(Sunshape @ Oct 9 2024, 11:36 AM)
How about HSBC or UOB SG? Can send USD to MooMoo SG for free?

Yes, my oversea bank supports ACH. But I don't see the wire instruction for USD acc rather than deposit via Wise only as shown in IBKR deposit menu.

How to open MooMoo SG if I have MooMoo MY liao?
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You can always use any sg bank or Malaysian banks to receive the USD. But you will kena charge Forex markup. As the item is USD. You don't have a multi currency account. Hence whatever USD will be converted at bank rate to whatever currency is the account in be it SGD or RM. Then if you choose to send the SGD or RM to IBKR , you will kena charge again. Banks markup the Forex fees by around 2-3%.

The only way is
1.have multi currency account that accept USD be it the RHB or DBS version (in Singapore if somehow you can open DBS which is very unlikely). I know DBS doesn't charge you fee or charge you anything if you already have USD and you send it using DBS.

QUOTE(Sunshape @ Oct 9 2024, 11:50 AM)
only these two methods for deposit:

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The account opened is cash account. But I can't open margin account. Why? it kept saying my investment profile/risk is not suitable for margin/leverage blah blah
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You can. Change your trading permission.
Regarding moomoo forget about it. Unless you have need for it. Moomoo Malaysia is lousy. That is why I only have moomoo Singapore. Always convert money inside interactive broker where possible as they give you real time market rates without the markup unlike banks. Unless you don't mind giving banks free money.

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post Oct 9 2024, 12:27 PM

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QUOTE(Sunshape @ Oct 9 2024, 12:22 PM)
No. I have multicurrency account with HSBC and UOB SG. So I do not need to suffer conversion losses.

You mean change trading permission from CASH account to margin?

Are you using margin or CASH?  biggrin.gif
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Then use either one of the account to receive your USD and use either one of that account to send USD to interactive broker.
Then your problem is solved. No need to pening using wise.

I am on margin but I treat it like cash account. My balance is always positive hence never been charged any interest.

This post has been edited by Ramjade: Oct 9 2024, 12:28 PM
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post Oct 9 2024, 12:50 PM

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QUOTE(Medufsaid @ Oct 9 2024, 12:31 PM)
how much is the swift fees
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Zero.

QUOTE(Sunshape @ Oct 9 2024, 12:40 PM)
many thanks. I realised need to change the deposit currency first from MYR to USD. Then can see Wire or ACH.  smile.gif

Now need to settle another issue. The account has just approved yesterday but why the trading permission on stocks is still pending?

And able to change from cash account to margin?
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Maybe need to fund your account first. Yes can change.

QUOTE(Sunshape @ Oct 9 2024, 12:43 PM)
Forgot to ask.

If I use Bank ABC to deposit USD, can I later withdraw the USD to Bank XYZ?
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Can. As long as under your own name no issue.

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post Oct 9 2024, 01:07 PM

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QUOTE(Sunshape @ Oct 9 2024, 12:56 PM)
Zero SWIFT fee? If use HSBC SG to send USD, zero SWIFT fee ah?

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Nope. Zero is only for DBS. How much you kena charge, that you need to experiment yourself and see. Unlikely you will get zero with HSBC.

This post has been edited by Ramjade: Oct 9 2024, 01:07 PM
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post Oct 9 2024, 01:26 PM

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QUOTE(Sunshape @ Oct 9 2024, 01:11 PM)
I am learning and first time doing all of this.

Wanna learn from Bro Ramjade to buy one way ticket. LoL
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It's very easy. Have strong stomach and don't have itchy hands.
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post Oct 9 2024, 02:12 PM

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QUOTE(Sunshape @ Oct 9 2024, 01:29 PM)
so can skip MooMoo MY?
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Moomoo MY have no place at all. Useless broker. No access to their MMF.
Moomoo SG at least got MMF to park your money temporarily.
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post Oct 9 2024, 02:20 PM

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QUOTE(Medufsaid @ Oct 9 2024, 02:16 PM)
Ramjade Moomoo MY has USD mmf now if u aren't aware

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I am interested in the SGD MMF. Also their USD MMF return is below SG version.

Moomoo sg USD MMF is at 4.8795%p.a

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post Oct 9 2024, 11:28 PM

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QUOTE(Toku @ Oct 9 2024, 10:09 PM)
Zero for DBS are you referring to DBS remit? How did you fill up the FFC and account number for DBS remit since it is direct to personal account instead of corporate account.
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DBS remit for sending money to IBKR. IBKR give you all the banking details. Just fill up exactly like how IBKR give you the details.
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post Oct 10 2024, 01:45 PM

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QUOTE(MystiqueLife @ Oct 10 2024, 11:15 AM)
Hmmm, this will take awhile for funds to arrive.

IBKR wire SGD to CIMB got fees or not?

ACH transfer is free, where got charges??
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IBKR first withdrawal of the month is always free. Depending on the bank. Majority charge for incoming wire transfer.

QUOTE(Sunshape @ Oct 10 2024, 11:16 AM)
my own bank charged USD30 + 0.15% under OUR.
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That is why I use DBS remit which send USD for free.
I use cimb/ DBS and send SGD via FAST so it's free.

QUOTE(Sunshape @ Oct 10 2024, 11:18 AM)
I found IBKR is too complicated for me. May be I will try Moo Moo SG once the account is approved

My aim is to achieve one way air ticket.  tongue.gif
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It's not complicated. You got no patience and dont read the everything on the screen. When I started out there was no one to help me or anyone to ask. I figured out everything myself.

Use the web version. Don't use their program (TWS). Their program is known for not user friendly. They have IBKR desktop which is more user friendly.

QUOTE(TOS @ Oct 10 2024, 11:33 AM)
Are you short-term trader or long-term investor?
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He seems short term as no patience.
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post Oct 10 2024, 04:28 PM

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QUOTE(Sunshape @ Oct 10 2024, 02:38 PM)
I am more pro to MT4 forex and crypto trading. Will try out IBKR desktop later.

Although DBS remit USD for free, but the recipient will receive lesser after minus the intermediary bank fees right? When my bank charges me $30 for OUR, it means the recipient will receive the exact amount.
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All Singapore banks got income wire fees except for CIMB for SGD only if I am not mistaken. Unless you have priority banking then can waive the incoming fees.

QUOTE(Medufsaid @ Oct 10 2024, 02:58 PM)
no. dbs still free. knowing ramjade for so long, he won't make any transactions that'll lose him unnecessary fees (e.g., remit USD30 but receive lesser than USD30. this is strictly no-no for him)
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I don't bring money back hence I don't get charged any bank fees. But if I were to bring money back, I would find the cheapest way after minus fees.

If the cheapest way have to pay fees,so be it. Sometimes it is cheaper to pay fees Vs "free". Ironically.
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post Oct 11 2024, 11:27 PM

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QUOTE(Sunshape @ Oct 11 2024, 10:47 PM)
Received the return wire 1 hour ago. Reason: account number was not valid.

IBKR instructed with this format: Account number + IBKR ID

But.
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It is not that hard.
1. You need to notify IBKR that you are sending money from ABC bank.
2. They will give you the details of the IBKR bank account to bank in the money. Each bank account number is unique and different. Also they give ask your to include in the IBKR account number into your transfer info.
3. Login to your bank, fill up all details as provided by IBKR

 

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