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edmund_yung
post Mar 28 2021, 07:00 AM

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QUOTE(cawan @ Mar 28 2021, 01:36 AM)
wahhhh Asrock having power management issue there.. and Msi board much excel.

this open my eye on Msi board.. yes sir.
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Asrock seems to be also making mITX boards with less robust VRM cooling. Those smaller heat sink will let me fit my CPU cooler. rolleyes.gif
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post Mar 29 2021, 01:25 PM

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QUOTE(yimingwuzere @ Mar 29 2021, 11:41 AM)
I think Asrock had the best Z390 ITX board. Their Z490 lineup was pretty trashy though.
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Too bad the price of i7-10700K made the 9900K looks bad.
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post Mar 31 2021, 12:31 AM

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Mar 30 2021, 11:28 PM)
RM799 vs RM1599...... drool.gif
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Can't wait for i7-11700F reviews, especially with B560 boards. Not interested with i9, Z590 or RAM speed beyond 3600 because I can't maximize its potential in my SFFPC.
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post Mar 31 2021, 09:42 AM

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Mar 31 2021, 12:50 AM)
why not go beyond 3600? im even doing 3866c18 with 1.4v on a super cheap micron rev.B 3200c16 32GB kit on a 10400F. brows.gif
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the IMC can go 4266c19 1.5V but the trfc is so loose that 3866 works better with my weak ram.

And ITX motherboards very shyok to overclock ram.
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Already got a rev.E 3200C16, don't plan to go thru the trouble of replacing them just for few % since I'm also going to stick with whatever boost put into i7-11700F. It's base clock of 2.5GHz is lower than i7-10700F 2.9GHz, which is why it's interesting to see some numbers comparing these 2 and good thing some of the YT reviews uses 3200CL14 kit for benchmark.

Heck maybe some numbers comparing between Z590 and B560 motherboards will be great content too.
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post Apr 2 2021, 03:50 PM

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I use on-board ALC1220 for gaming because combined with AutoEQ+HeSuVi, it give me very good directional in 7.1 supported games.

As for video from web browser (Youtube and FB etc), I just use the crap Acer monitor built in DAC (via DisplayPort) and speakers.

I also use Schiit Stack mainly for music and non-competitive games.

So yeah, I do wish my next board will at least have a ALC1220 so too bad all of the budget B560 boards doesn't have it.
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post Apr 3 2021, 10:17 AM

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QUOTE(yimingwuzere @ Apr 2 2021, 11:15 PM)


This reviewer took a dump on the 10400 at launch but liked the 11400.
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Can B560 motherboard uncap the power limit and let the non-K series CPU boost without any time limit?
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post Apr 3 2021, 10:47 AM

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QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Apr 3 2021, 10:41 AM)
Thanks! so the B560 Steel Legend allows setting any W in the BIOS. Now I wonder if anyone has stumbled on a B560 which doesn't allow that...
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post Apr 3 2021, 02:11 PM

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Apr 3 2021, 01:28 PM)
So far... only if you buy dell/hp/acer then confirm locked lol. For the rest, uncapped power limit is a major selling point so everyone enables it if it's possible for the board's VRM ... even on some H470/H410. It's a bios feature so it's kind of a free for all... to the point that some boards (like mine) goes max power out of the box.
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If that's the case, then I many reviews will not be showing real world performance if they stick to Intel spec. I think the there will be quite a big performance penalty in gaming performance with the CPU capped, especially for high-FPS games.
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post Apr 4 2021, 06:56 AM

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QUOTE(zack.gap @ Apr 3 2021, 11:37 PM)
After all the posts here, I’m seriously asking myself why I need a dedicated GPU for my AMD chip when the other side provides an integrated one for free...
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The F-series are slightly cheaper, so they're not exactly free, but they are very cheap add-on considering how terrible the GPU market is right now.

QUOTE(Bonchi @ Apr 3 2021, 11:47 PM)
Now i hope he murdered the desirability of the 11700k as waste of sand. Cuz that's the cpu im going after laugh.gif
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Is it that much faster for people who wanted to buy and OC the CPU on day one? Like RM200 faster than the i7-10700k once OC? It's also RM340 premium over the none-K.

Then again those price difference are nothing compared to the crazy GPU prices. LOL
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post Apr 4 2021, 05:44 PM

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QUOTE(targon @ Apr 4 2021, 11:24 AM)
Makes me wonder 11700k and 11900k.
Both unlocked 8 cores parts, slightly performance deficit between the two but abt 600+ bucks difference between the two.
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Yeah, even after OC-ed, it's really not that much faster than i7-10700K OC-ed to 5GHz. I agree it's that binning which people are paying, even that is not guaranteed seeing Optimum Tech video.
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post Apr 8 2021, 11:03 AM

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QUOTE(TristanX @ Apr 8 2021, 08:17 AM)
Core i5-11400F review - The Best Rocket Lake:
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i5-11400f/

AMD has nothing to counter at this price.
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No doubt about it, best price/perf coupled with B560 motherboard for someone buying a new PC today.
Honestly I don't see it is any faster than the i5-10400F. The review didn't compare with i5-10400 "Max Turbo". I'm guessing very little difference just like the rest of the Rocket Lake CPU.

The more important products is the B560 motherboard which finally allows budget i5 to beat Ryzen 3600 + B450 combo which was out 20 months ago.
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post Apr 8 2021, 07:13 PM

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Apr 8 2021, 04:23 PM)
I think the 10400F in the review is already on max turbo when you compare to his previous 10400F review. Infact most of the scores are so much better in this new review, maybe due to 3800mhz is used compared to 3200mhz.
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Definitely not Max Power otherwise they will mention it and also reflect in the Power Consumption page.
Probably better RAM I'm not sure why the better numbers.
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post Apr 10 2021, 06:09 PM

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QUOTE(Vincent6596 @ Apr 10 2021, 11:43 AM)
but my proc speed is always stay at 4.6ghz no matter idel or gaming.
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Make sure Windows Power Plan is using Balance, not High Performance. Maybe that will fix the issue?
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post Apr 10 2021, 08:08 PM

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Apr 10 2021, 06:22 PM)
Nah, 11700 non K memang configured to load at 4.6ghz all core load. So it's working as expected.
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He did mention idle, and that's not normal for core to load 4.6ghz at idle. I thought low clock/volt on idle is one of the advantage over AMD?

QUOTE(terradrive @ Apr 10 2021, 07:57 PM)
tests done on dual rank 3200C14 ram, 10400F beats ryzen 3600 in every game in the video  hmm.gif

hahahaha and ppl thrashed 10400F last time.
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B560 motherboard is really important launch, more so than RKL.

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post Apr 12 2021, 01:09 AM

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QUOTE(Vincent6596 @ Apr 12 2021, 12:06 AM)
can give some suggestion which of the CPU Cooler Tuning should i select??

previous i was select the water cooler (pl1: 4096w) so that my processor ways maintence all core 4.6ghz
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What I meant is Power Plan in Windows, not BIOS settings.
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post Apr 22 2021, 05:20 PM

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QUOTE(TristanX @ Apr 22 2021, 04:59 PM)
Dday for board makers!


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Are they any Z590 or even B560 ITX boards with smaller heat-sink like on these budget Z590 boards. They aren't overbuilt like on the more expensive Z590 and without active cooling, yet their performs quite okay even with the i7-11900k OC to 4.9
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post Apr 24 2021, 02:06 PM

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QUOTE(piscesguy @ Apr 24 2021, 09:08 AM)
Very nice Intel CPU for the office, no GPU needed. More than enough CPU power for the next decade lol.
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post Apr 25 2021, 12:12 AM

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QUOTE(svfn @ Apr 24 2021, 07:12 PM)
i see more 10700F and 11700 used as office PC on pcpartpicker / office prebuilts / unraid server, either go i7 or i3 haha. but can't compare because their 10th gen heavily discounted 10700 at $270 and 10850k at $350.
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wow 16-threads CPU as office PC!
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post Apr 25 2021, 11:37 AM

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Apr 25 2021, 11:16 AM)
is it me or thermal grizzly kryonaut suck... i changed to nt-H1 and my R20 become 75C vs 82C with the kryonaut. hmm.gif what a waste of RM70+
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I think it deteriorate faster than other good paste.
I got one dried up like a rock on my CPU and got my Ryzen plugged out from the socket when I try to remove the heatsink.
I heard it performs better below 80c so now I'm only using it on my GPU because it will crashed anyway if hotter than 75C... and the chip can't be detached... rolleyes.gif

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