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Quick and Dirty Quad-Core "Penryn" Benchmarks, Intel's show-time
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cks2k2
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Aug 25 2007, 10:39 PM
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QUOTE(X.E.D @ Aug 25 2007, 10:35 PM) Octal-core on MCM is as useless as Quad SLI.  (For Intel anyway, DAAMIT seems to be rather keen on their Shanghai  ) Intel would likely need a 2+Gigahertz FSB for that, and they have problems pushing even 1666 nowadays. Word has it that the next major marchitecture revamp (Nehalem) *might* not have the integrated memory controller (what's been helping AMD so much) on desktop chips, but unless they overcome their FSB woes, MCM-ing quads or four duos will be a tough take from a performance standpoint. Nehalem will not have IMC on mainstream desktop and laptops. IMC on extreme edition chip -> maybe.
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cks2k2
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Aug 26 2007, 03:02 PM
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QUOTE(X.E.D @ Aug 25 2007, 10:46 PM) Maybe P45 and X48 will have liquid cooling then.  (And getting only the XE with IMC doesn't solve platform unity, so P45 still needs crazy cooling  ) The whole platform for Intel will be quite fragmented in the next couple of years. You'll have versions with IMC, without IMC etc even when all segments (server/desktop/laptop) will be using the same core.
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cks2k2
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Aug 26 2007, 10:26 PM
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QUOTE(cinbao @ Aug 26 2007, 06:42 PM) LOL, well, coherent HTT? Last time, Honda V-Tech technology was licensed by itself, nowadays, Toyota make itself VVT-i /VVTL-i (this 1 really can even with i-Vtec), do Toyota pay Honda any royalty? Nissan has NEO VVL / C-VTC Perodua has DVVT Gen2 has Campro / CPS Hyundai has HIVEC Mitsubishi has MIVEC Do they all pay Honda royalty by having those variable timing technology ? back to topic, I think Intel can straight away go to HTT version 3.0, is that coherent of HTT 3.0 belongs to AMD too? If not, would u think FSB still can last how long? I would imagine AMD owns a good number of patents/IP on cHTT and given how everyone in the US likes to sue each other licensing would be the safest way to go. Or it could just be NIH mentality.
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cks2k2
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Aug 27 2007, 04:34 PM
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QUOTE(§layerXT @ Aug 27 2007, 08:39 AM) Nahalem may have hyper threading back. Nehalem WILL have hyperthreading/SMT back.
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cks2k2
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Aug 28 2007, 09:32 AM
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QUOTE(X.E.D @ Aug 27 2007, 07:52 PM) Will but it is rather arguable whether ANY consumer centric app would even utilize enough threads to even make use of HT... Server apps harly have any use for HT IIRC. IMO they shouldn't be splitting more resources into more threads, rather trying the reverse instead- if that is possible without much intervention from native OS. Ever heard of Sun's Niagara (UltraSparc T1) chips? 8 cores with 4 threads per core = 32 thread monster. Now there's Niagara2 (UltraSparc T2) -> 8 cores with 8 threads per core = 64 thread beast. These are ultra powerful web/transaction servers. Reverse-HT seems to be a big myth propogated by the AMD fanbois based on some dubios comments from the Inq. QUOTE Of course increasing utilization will increase power and hot spots, but it's still better than idle units that are leaking power doing nothing. That's where the hi-k dielectric in 45nm comes in to play.
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