Why you compare a EV with ICE car?

And Tesla is just a beginning startup. But they already a leader in EV.

Toyota if don’t change fast enough, they will probably will trap in ICE car and close shop in 10yrs time.

Toyota probably don’t have the EV technology.

Err... Both are car manufacturer, yes?

They do have EV tech. They have a collaboration with BYD from China. They will be unveiling their solid state battery tech soon.

So they have the tech. It is the willingness of their old mindset to change that people want to see now.

I'm on team Tesla btw.. But really don't take anything away from old tech car manufacturers. VW group is coming out good nowadays.

1 is just start up company. And another is already 80yrs of well establish car maker?

And it is different type of car. EV and ice. How does you compare? Even in qty?

The collaboration is in what? Toyota provide the car mechanical tech or just the share? You know BYD is battery manufacturing. Not Toyota.

Toyota is leader in car manufacturing that make them hard to follow the change. Cause they are “leader”. Suppose other follow them to use hydrogen cell.

Why I said Toyota maybe don’t have the EV tech. Do you know why Kodak had problem change to digital photography? When they are the leader money rich in film photography. Instead taken over by the non tradition photography manufacturing like Sony and Panasonic.

Tesla is at beginning and not yet ramp up in full throttle. How many factory they are building now? Battery factory? New die cast tech? Etc..

VW also have to drastic and come out big budget to change to EV. They know they will fall behind if don’t change now.

hahhahahahhaha .....

Dude, do you even watch the video ts posted?

It literally said toyota has 6 EV models coming in the next 5 years.

What topkek you tok kok

toyota still top brand on petrol car,.. no scared ,..

yes, same like Kodak, they invented digital camera back in 1975

unfortunately they didnt focused on digital camera. they didnt ignore it but dont give full attention either

really underestimate it. blind optimism at its best.

This post has been edited by JimbeamofNRT: Feb 13 2021, 11:31 PM

2020

1) Toyota - 8,692,168 units
39) Tesla - 499,550 units

this is so true.... Most would rather focus on short term gain so they will be eligible for big bonus at the end of the year... why bother with long term project when it is only going to be reaped by their successor….

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Toyota > all

yup those who gonna retired soon on toyota sure no scared

Comeback next 5yrs.

Tesla next 5yrs, their car rocket to moon already.

Actually is it not Kodak don’t try to change.

Kodak film tech is about chemical tech. They are strong in chemical film technology. They have the best chemical engineer.

But then, digital tech is about electronic tech. And it is not Kodak specialist. You can’t ask chemistry to become electronic engineer.

So Kodak start to loose to Sony and Panasonic in digital imaging. Even through Kodak try very hard to change.

So do ICE car maker. What engineer they hire? ICE is about combustion engine. And EV is about electrical/electronic and software engineering.

Can the ICE car maker find fast enough a bunch of such new engineer to start the EV?

tesla's real business.

Tesla's dirty little secret: Its net profit doesn't come from selling cars

New York (CNN Business)Tesla posted its first full year of net income in 2020 -- but not because of sales to its customers.
Eleven states require automakers sell a certain percentage of zero-emissions vehicles by 2025. If they can't, the automakers have to buy regulatory credits from another automaker that meets those requirements -- such as Tesla, which exclusively sells electric cars.

It's a lucrative business for Tesla -- bringing in $3.3 billion over the course of the last five years, nearly half of that in 2020 alone.
The $1.6 billion in regulatory credits it received last year far outweighed Tesla's net income of $721 million -- meaning Tesla would have otherwise posted a net loss in 2020.
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/31/investin...lity/index.html

lol

u should see this doc from the inventor himself

jumped to 5:04



basically the management resist the change until it is too late, even from the internal presentation back in 1976

"The biggest mistake Kodak made was keeping the digital camera out of the market place. They should have patent the hell out of every aspect of it. Then forged on to digital motion picture film scanners and educate the masses that not all new developments are advancements. The only reason digital film technology has been embraced so aggressively is because of low cost and convenience, not better quality still or motion picture images. The EPA was also up Kodak's asses about pollution. "

+1
Typical well organized corp but they are just are a cog in a Japanese corporate wheel

just in case you forget Lexus is their sub-luxury brand

lots of thing trickle down from Lexus.



especially some1 judge there going to be extinct in 10y.

Tesla cross company corporation with combined tech from spacex and solarcity to create lightweight and power efficient company.

Japan company pulak different department main politic cannot share technology. Waiting to be eliminated.

old company with old people in it will never grow coz they don't wanna change scared of change . and the people they employ are the same people . the next will be Banks they are old people in it also the new age wolfs are joining force eyeing the meat , revolution it cant be stop .

This post has been edited by NormalName: Feb 14 2021, 01:49 AM